Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[blackcat]

Bahahahahah Sammy Sanchez dropping like a fly on a 4.7% climb while half the peloton's domestiques toughed it out the end. ffs.

Hope he does better than that in the 3rd week or he should be kicked to the kerb.

he caught the horner and popo lotto flu

 

[blackcat]

Evans right now. 37 years old. Just ridiculous

damn straight

 

[The Hitch]

Was a surprise to see him up there with Rodriguez, but I guess Rodriguez is 35 too so not that much of a difference

Rodriguez said in the off season that he feels like if he was 25. These new training regimes they have are certainly very effective in extending careers. Which is weird because they are supposedly so intensive and intensive training on a body that isn't using recovery drugs to soften the toll, should on the contrary be shortening careers, not extending them.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Rodriguez said in the off season that he feels like if he was 25. These new training regimes they have are certainly very effective in extending careers. Which is weird because they are supposedly so intensive and intensive training on a body that isn't using recovery drugs to soften the toll, should on the contrary be shortening careers, not extending them.

Testosterone boosting and a 4x T/E ratio threshold to never test positive helps quite a bit. It's not doping because they never test positive.

 

[Cookster15]

Bahahahahah Sammy Sanchez dropping like a fly on a 4.7% climb while half the peloton's domestiques toughed it out the end. ffs.

Hope he does better than that in the 3rd week or he should be kicked to the kerb.

Didn't Samu get caught in a crash today? I read he was with Evans group at start of the final kilometer. My browser is not working with the video so I haven't seen it just relying on comments elsewhere on this site.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22269&page=26

Samu was held up by that fall

I'm a little confused with what you guys think about Evans. I mean on one hand they all dope but just don't get caught. But on the other hand we have people now implying Samu has caught the Horner and Popovich "flu" - they were never as good riding for Evans. Was that doping related or something else? If it is doping related then that implies Evans if not 100% clean is cleaner than most? Maybe he is a poor responder so he felt not worth the risk. Who knows but this thread I am non the wiser other than some innuendo on some things he has said in the past - and his once off Ferrari test in 2000 or whatever is not convincing evidence. I reckon any lawyer would read this "evidence" and laugh.

 

[Cookster15]

Testosterone boosting and a 4x T/E ratio threshold to never test positive helps quite a bit. It's not doping because they never test positive.

Silly question I'm sure but why is a 4x TE ratio not considered doping? Seems that would be well outside what can be considered normal.

 

[winkybiker]

Was a surprise to see him up there with Rodriguez, but I guess Rodriguez is 35 too so not that much of a difference

"FF" Rodriguez has been on the same head-enlarging program as Horner. I mean these guys look like those "Bratz" dolls.

 

[blackcat]

bobble headed dolls

 

[blackcat]

Silly question I'm sure but why is a 4x TE ratio not considered doping? Seems that would be well outside what can be considered normal.

you can ping them on the isotope tests but, like that ones that demonstrated Floyd was on testo during all those stages in 2006, not just that stage...

his massage oil woulda had testo infused

 

[DirtyWorks]

Silly question I'm sure but why is a 4x TE ratio not considered doping? Seems that would be well outside what can be considered normal.

Because a T/E ratio above 4:1 is the threshold for calling it doping. The IOC is perfectly okay with athletes running some Testosterone. It seems the main point of the bio-passport is to not kill athletes doping.

The scientific reason is it is possible a person can legitimately have 3+ T/E ratio. Note the use of the word possible. As in, it is possible for me to win a powerball lottery.

 

[DirtyWorks]

you can ping them on the isotope tests but, like that ones that demonstrated Floyd was on testo during all those stages in 2006, not just that stage...

I really don't remember these details. They ran the CIR test on Floyd? If so, somebody was really out to get him. (hello Lance)

FYI, the CIR test is many factors more expensive and time consuming and as a result only used AFTER an athlete has crossed the ratio threshold. Which, apparently Floyd never crossed.

 

[blackcat]

I really don't remember these details. They ran the CIR test on Floyd? If so, somebody was really out to get him. (hello Lance)

FYI, the CIR test is many factors more expensive and time consuming and as a result only used AFTER an athlete has crossed the ratio threshold. Which, apparently Floyd never crossed.

no, they only did the CIR test after Arnie Baker got his back up and WillgogaygoneonLemonade

 

[blackcat]

Because a T/E ratio above 4:1 is the threshold for calling it doping. The IOC is perfectly okay with athletes running some Testosterone. It seems the main point of the bio-passport is to not kill athletes doping.

The scientific reason is it is possible a person can legitimately have 3+ T/E ratio. Note the use of the word possible. As in, it is possible for me to win a powerball lottery.

this, times 1000

 

[blackcat]

the CIR test was used to buttress the case before USADA or the court of arbitration or whenever, and it showed more testo in all the other samples during the race. not just that monster stage.

floyd was still effusive in denials long after he came clean.

so the theory gotta be that Freddy Viane of the famous massage oils was spiking the oil with testo.

no happy endings on Freddy's massages but.

 

[Cookster15]

this, times 1000

Thanks, I appreciate yours and Dirtyworks replies. That is why I come here - to understand what is not said in the official print. But that still doesn't mean I think Evans is doping.

Nonetheless I still might need to try that massage oil myself sometime?

 

[blackcat]

Thanks, I appreciate yours and Dirtyworks replies. That is why I come here - to understand what is not said in the official print. But that still doesn't mean I think Evans is doping.

Nonetheless I still might need to try that massage oil myself sometime?

they used to spend reams and reams and reams and reams of tickertape and gigabytes and bandwidth over on the dailypeleton where you to navigate the evil hall of death by a thousand cuts from chris H house and a few other idiots on DP. lots of people posted there, who were insiders, a who's who. lots of carpet bagging and astroturfing

 

[Archibald]

Evans right now. 37 years old. Just ridiculous

don't get too worked up, it's only week 1. He's just burning matches early for bonus seconds - the others just need to cruise along with him.
I'd expect his third week to resemble his third week in last year's Giro, and it'd be a safe bet that the others are thinking the same.

Bahahahahah Sammy Sanchez dropping like a fly on a 4.7% climb while half the peloton's domestiques toughed it out the end. ffs.

proof of his being cleans, for sure

 

[UlleGigo]

Yep. It's always the same with Cuddles. Starts off with strong legs on the bumpy stages then dies in the mountains in the third week. I expect him to tail off even more in week three compared to past performances given his age. Top 10 would be a tremendous result for him.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yep. It's always the same with Cuddles. Starts off with strong legs on the bumpy stages then dies in the mountains in the third week. I expect him to tail off even more in week three compared to past performances given his age. Top 10 would be a tremendous result for him.

To drop from 3rd to 10th in one year, given dedicated vs random preparation would be a tremendous result?

 

[blackcat]

Yep. It's always the same with Cuddles. Starts off with strong legs on the bumpy stages then dies in the mountains in the third week. I expect him to tail off even more in week three compared to past performances given his age. Top 10 would be a tremendous result for him.

atleast if he wins a stage they don't have a stupid credit lyonais stuffed bear to give him.

interesting anecdote from tour of California when Mario cipollini came out.

Mario was hosting some private guests in his hotel room, some podium girls from mike balls rocking racing, (that element might be apocryphal, I don't believe the next part is), and a fan came to his hotel room and requested he sign a credit Lyonnais lion stuffed teddybear.

Cipo drew a set of genitals on it! no signature.

oh, how we luved the Cipo show.

I don't think Cuddles needs one of those blow up toy/jerseys. why give a blow up jersey?

 

[blackcat]

atleast if he wins a stage they don't have a stupid credit lyonais stuffed bear to give him.

interesting anecdote from tour of California when Mario cipollini came out.

Mario was hosting some private guests in his hotel room, some podium girls from mike balls rocking racing, (that element might be apocryphal, I don't believe the next part is), and a fan came to his hotel room and requested he sign a credit Lyonnais lion stuffed teddybear.

Cipo drew a set of genitals on it! no signature.

oh, how we luved the Cipo show.

I don't think Cuddles needs one of those blow up toy/jerseys. why give a blow up jersey?

yeah. cipo was sampling the silicon valley in tour of California cos the cosmetic industry was only catching up with Berlusconi's game show "hostesses" and Moroccan belly dancing pre-teens.

just imagine what cipo would think of those jersies cum blow-up dolls that are not anatomically correct on the podium at the stage prize presentation. for chrissakes, bring back re lione

 

[Ferminal]

Evans right now. 37 years old. Just ridiculous

What is different between now and the first week of Tour 2012 or Giro 2013? Wait until final week before concluding he's back on the bags.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What is different between now and the first week of Tour 2012 or Giro 2013? Wait until final week before concluding he's back on the bags.

Despite finishing second on the stage he didn't look like a stormer to me - and he got dropped mightily quick when Ullisi accelerated to the line.

Still, 3rd last year was pretty handy.

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh but his MTT performance was horrible and suffered on Tre Cime (I mean had a "mechanical" or a "virus" or whatever it is these days).

Ulissi is a classic puncheur, needs to be harder or steeper to beat him. But yeh, Evans was top3 in these sprints the past two years.

 

[blackcat]

damn lost post to the interweb ether

Evans wont win, he always fades in the third week, unless motoman delivers him so blood from ocean grove

will motoman do his hema delivery

motoman one of the superheroes from the league of extraordinary gentlemen innit? moto man ftw