Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[AussieEdge]

His manager said he will deal with it in his own way - the fact he was one of the few if any cyclist to read the report is testimatr to that.

Let the media savvy do the talking and those who rather do things behind the scenes do that

 

[Dear Wiggo]

His manager said he will deal with it in his own way - the fact he was one of the few if any cyclist to read the report is testimatr to that.

He didn't read it. He digested it.

And please, don't believe everything a rider and their manager tell you about said rider.

Or at least trust but verify.

 

[Tinman]

It's a disappointing statement. He underestimates the power he has at the moment in the media. He needs PR support, and looks like (yet again) doing this on his own. Media communications have never been his strength.

Luckily he has not totally blown it.
"The authorities" is vague enough to also include WADA and national anti-doping agencies. "The level playing field" at least includes "natural ability".

But its an opportunity lost. LEts hope he gets help and consults more widely on the next one.

 

[Surfdelux]

As an old mountain biker I'm a big Cadel fan. As an under 23 he was unbeatable for a while there. And I love the way he won his TdF.

In road cycling I'd say he's been a reluctant doper. Probably has done it, but probably would have preferred not to.

What speaks in favour of his minimal doping is that he didn't last long at Mapei and Telekom. Especially at Telekon he was never part of the inside crew. In early days he didnt stay upright a lot either and missed races due to injuries, so probably didnt have to dope much for a while there. Or avoided getting caught.

What speaks for that he doped(s) is his involvement in Mapei, Telekom, BMC (Ochowicz, Hincapie, Schoutteten, Ballan all dodgy) and the recent Ferrari confession.

Sorry, one has to be very suspicious unfortunately. I'd love to believe otherwise.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I find it curious he couldn't stay up on a road bike after surviving and thriving so long on the MTB.

 

[Surfdelux]

True - was frustrating to watch.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

True - was frustrating to watch.

I would have said heartbreaking. I wanted that lil Aussie battler to win.

I have a theory on it, based on LA, Cadel and uh sorry my own experience.

When you are out of your depth physiologically, ability to ride safely is diminished. (Or if you're wearing an orange jersey but I digress). I see this a lot in races on the road, especially crits when the smack goes down.

Cadel came to the road just as EPO etc really took off. LA was there, doped to the eyeballs on EPO. Cadel falls a lot. Out of his depth?

Is it causation or correlation that the year Cadel can handle the TdF peloton he doesn't have an accident?

LA never had a stack himself - getting hooked by a musette notwithstanding - coz he was never in trouble physiologically.

In 2010, he was out of his depth, toning down the doping, but he has 2 accidents, pretty much his own fault, in quick succession.

Discuss

 

[Surfdelux]

True - when you get tierd you make mistakes and fall off. The haggard, scraped up, falling Armstrong in the comeback races was such a contrast to the old days. I've often wondered why. Maybe the pelton was already turning on him then too (?)

 

[Bushranger]

Agreed.

There is no way anyone could make the statement that "Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion!"

Well said.

I guess we'd better shut down the clinic. Nothing to talk about anymore. Perhaps we could discuss it a bit and have our say and read what others think...you know like a forum. That could be fun.
Personally I have no idea who is clean anymore..but for me to enjoy cycling I need to believe in someone. Why not Cadel?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

For me to enjoy cycling, I ride my bike. Highly recommended.

 

[hrotha]

That statement by Mr Evans is a true, certified turd.

 

[Ferminal]

Is it not "outspoken critic of doping Mr Evans" ?

 

[Christian]

This may have been discussed in here before, is so, sorry - but wasn't Evans' personal soigneur arrested carrying loads of EPO?

 

[Jalina]

Oh come on! That statement is pathetic. Pathetic. I'd expect far more from someone that "doesn't dope". He'd have been better off saying nothing.

What the hell is wrong with these cyclists? I can't figure out if they have the collective brain power of an ant farm, or if they're assuming we do.

 

[AussieEdge]

And another thing - Cadel isn't that popular in the peloton, we just believed it was personality because that's what we been told

Is that rally why or is it because he don't want to toe the peloton line so speak

 

[AussieEdge]

Oh come on! That statement is pathetic. Pathetic. I'd expect far more from someone that "doesn't dope". He'd have been better off saying nothing.

What the hell is wrong with these cyclists? I can't figure out if they have the collective brain power of an ant farm, or if they're assuming we do.

Oh pipe down - last time I checked we are not in a dictatorship

Shall we ban anyone from speaking that doesn't with you now???? You come on

 

[AussieEdge]

That statement by Mr Evans is a true, certified turd.

Or someone smart enough to know when to pick their battles

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This may have been discussed in here before, is so, sorry - but wasn't Evans' personal soigneur arrested carrying loads of EPO?

Your question seems incredibly detailed for someone not up to speed with the story. Any reason for the "Evans' personal soigneur" vs "a BMC soigneur"?

His name is Sven Schoutteten.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...gneur-arrested-in-doping-investigation_180704

Turns out he was a part-time soigneur for BMC, yes.

But the investigation that picked him up commenced in 2009 - when Cadel was at Lotto and BMC had not even engaged Sven yet.

According to the report, police connected Schoutteten to a package of EPO said to have contained 200 packets of the banned blood booster they confiscated at the Bierset Airport in Liège, Belgium, in 2009

Remember 2009? When LA made his comeback? Guess who Sven was working for 2010? The USAC U23 teams. I mention this coz LA and USAC are somewhat good buddies...

USAC program director Jim Miller said he believed the Belgian was with the team in the 2010 edition of the race, where Lawson Craddock won the KOM competition.
...
“He was just a substitute fill-in,” said Miller. “Sometimes when you’re running double junior programs and double, triple U23 programs, you get a guy like that. For us, we had no idea; we picked him on a recommendation from the Belgians.”

 

[AussieEdge]

Shhh dear wiggo - you know you shouldn't let the facts get in the way of a good story

 

[hrotha]

Or someone smart enough to know when to pick their battles

No. You can't spin this any way: the statement is full of BLATANT LIES.

He might be smart enough, but he's taking us all for fools.

 

[AussieEdge]

No. You can't spin this any way: the statement is full of BLATANT LIES.

He might be smart enough, but he's taking us all for fools.

What the????

He's only towing the company line - nothing more nothing less

Your happy to spin his word to suit your argument - I won't be told off by a keyboard wheedling hypocrite

 

[Jalina]

Oh pipe down - last time I checked we are not in a dictatorship

Shall we ban anyone from speaking that doesn't with you now???? You come on

Umm what? That doesn't even make any sense.

You are having a go at me, in some way accusing me of telling people they can't say something, then in the same post telling me to pipe down. Are you for real? LOL!!

 

[AussieEdge]

Because Cadel doesn't say what you want him to your getting upset

I'm sayin that's a whole lot of bull****

All I'm seeing is a bunch of keyboard wheelding hypocrites who have nothing and they can't stand it...

 

[Christian]

Your question seems incredibly detailed for someone not up to speed with the story. Any reason for the "Evans' personal soigneur" vs "a BMC soigneur"?

His name is Sven Schoutteten.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...gneur-arrested-in-doping-investigation_180704

Turns out he was a part-time soigneur for BMC, yes.

But the investigation that picked him up commenced in 2009 - when Cadel was at Lotto and BMC had not even engaged Sven yet.



Remember 2009? When LA made his comeback? Guess who Sven was working for 2010? The USAC U23 teams. I mention this coz LA and USAC are somewhat good buddies...

Remembered it wrong, that is all it is (that is why i asked to double check...) ... no reason to get all wigans on me, my dear wiggo....

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Remembered it wrong, that is all it is ... no reason to get all wigans on me, my dear wiggo....

I dunno mate - my reaction is hardly as strong as your accusation against Cadel. Something that'd take 5-7.423 seconds to confirm.

I'd say given the timing and the connection to USAC his links are stronger to Lance than Cadel.