Cadel Evans on 2012 TdF favorites : No contador among the main contenders??

[Zoncolan]

evens is in pereiro's category, with all due respect.

Now you're just being disrespectful and ridiculous.

 

[Polish]

I think Cadel is not the only member of the peloton that feels Alberto will not / should not be at the start line in 2012.
Alberto seemed a bit of an outcast in 2011. Kind of sad. Boos and all.

And Cadel tipping Levi is wise too.
Levi can hold onto the wheels in the climbs and ITT with the best of them.
The 2012 TdF is very ToC'ish imo.

Let me be the first to predict a Cadel/Levi/Wiggins Final podium.
Oldest podium ever - over 100 years of studdliness grrrrr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tvHWwWlQ4
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[Zam_Olyas]

I think Cadel is not the only member of the peloton that feels Alberto will not / should not be at the start line in 2012.
Alberto seemed a bit of an outcast in 2011. Kind of sad. Boos and all.

And Cadel tipping Levi is wise too.
Levi can hold onto the wheels in the climbs and ITT with the best of them.
The 2012 TdF is very ToC'ish imo.

Let me be the first to predict a Cadel/Levi/Wiggins Final podium.
Oldest podium ever - over 100 years of studdliness grrrrr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tvHWwWlQ4
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****ing Troll.

 

[Parrulo]

****ing Troll.

meh just do like 50% of the forum and completely skip his post without reading a single word or the other 50% of the forum and put him on your ignore list

 

[Ferminal]

I think Cadel is not the only member of the peloton that feels Alberto will not / should not be at the start line in 2012.
Alberto seemed a bit of an outcast in 2011. Kind of sad. Boos and all.

And Cadel tipping Levi is wise too.
Levi can hold onto the wheels in the climbs and ITT with the best of them.
The 2012 TdF is very ToC'ish imo.

Let me be the first to predict a Cadel/Levi/Wiggins Final podium.
Oldest podium ever - over 100 years of studdliness grrrrr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0tvHWwWlQ4
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Polish, what happened to Levi's ultra-consistency in GTs this year? Couldn't even make top30... after all those top20s in a row. I think he's losing it, lol.

 

[Woody22]

Actually most on the forum have long rejected C&C comments. He has been up to this trick many times before and this logic is totaly foreign and repulsive to me.

We just dont dignify it with a response, largely because the poster has written similar posts many times in the past, so we just leave it alone now.

I hope that comment was not directed at me, as it would be a bit of a low blow.

And yes if you wrote that about Evans I would find it just as ridiculous as when it is written about Contador.

I would only respond the first few times though. If you had been making similar comments for the last year, we wouldnt bother, just like with C&C fan.

But if you want clarification, I stand with you in condemning those comments.

I only think that Contador is good rider, not that he is ubermensch.

Actually one of the reasons that I have often supported Evans is precisely because he was the underdog, and thats also why I never supported Contador until stage 16 2011, and why I no longer hold the same

Thank you for your post. Considered and reasonable, unlike a lot of other posters. And I have learned a lesson... in future I won't bother replying to comments that are so silly.

Lets all hope that Evans, Contador, and the rest all arrive and get through the Tour injury free so we can watch a great contest with the strongest rider prevailing.

 

[Angliru]

a tour were almost 90% of the contenders were handicapped, with all the hypocrisy surrounding him (drugs) that was quickly forgot, because god forgive us if evens the underdog is dirty. a great WC win, a semi-classic. he is good, but by true champions i mean guys like alberto, ulrich, LA, indurain, marco... "the" champions. evens is in pereiro's category, with all due respect.

c&cfan, I'm a big Contador and Spanish cycling supporter and the bolded statement is way over the top. You really can't be serious now.

 

[Spaniard]

a tour were almost 90% of the contenders were handicapped, with all the hypocrisy surrounding him (drugs) that was quickly forgot, because god forgive us if evens the underdog is dirty. a great WC win, a semi-classic. he is good, but by true champions i mean guys like alberto, ulrich, LA, indurain, marco... "the" champions. evens is in pereiro's category, with all due respect.

No way, Evans is several steps above Pereiro, not in the league of Pantani,Alberto , Indurain, Armstrong ,... but you can't compare Evans with Pereiro, Cadel is much better.

 

[c&cfan]

No way, Evans is several steps above Pereiro, not in the league of Pantani,Alberto , Indurain, Armstrong ,... but you can't compare Evans with Pereiro, Cadel is much better.

guys.... really... maybe a "smile" like this one is missing?

everyone knows that evens isn't in that category. having said that, he is in the same category as sastre for example. certainly below menchov.

 

[Kwibus]

How does that make up for saying that he's no longer a force? Makes him seem a bit wishy-washy.

It was a silly mistake by Evans, but people make mistakes. If he keeps saying Contador isn't a favourite based on this TdF then he's an idiot, but he isn't.
Let's move on.


p.s. c&cfan and Polish make troll posts. Put them on ignore or ignore them. Or keep on replying on their posts...whatever you want. I sugges to stop wasting your time on them.
p.s. This p.s. was directed to everyone reading this forum

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Evans doesn't want him at the 2012 Tour. That much is obvious.

Doesn't matter which "side" you are on, or if Polish was "trolling" when he said the same thing. Read between the lines, people. Read Cadel's other interviews where he is asked about Contador.

 

[c&cfan]

It was a silly mistake by Evans, but people make mistakes. If he keeps saying Contador isn't a favourite based on this TdF then he's an idiot, but he isn't.
Let's move on.


p.s. c&cfan and Polish make troll posts. Put them on ignore or ignore them. Or keep on replying on their posts...whatever you want. I sugges to stop wasting your time on them.
p.s. This p.s. was directed to everyone reading this forum

you do rate evans as better cyclist than menchov? ok. based in what?

 

[cineteq]

you do rate evans as better cyclist than menchov? ok. based in what?

Menchov has never won TdF, do I need to say more?

 

[c&cfan]

Menchov has never won TdF, do I need to say more?

i am stupid. sorry guys. against a fact like this one it seems that i have to face reality.

 

[Angliru]

guys.... really... maybe a "smile" like this one is missing?

everyone knows that evens isn't in that category. having said that, he is in the same category as sastre for example. certainly below menchov.

I'd put him even with Menchov due to his being a more well rounded talent and his year round level of elite performance.

 

[The Hitch]

Evans is a better cyclist than Menchov because Evans is very good at 1 day races too and because Evans targets many races in 1 season.

On a grand tour level I could understand why some might think Menchov is better though I think its close, but as a cyclist Evans is clearly better.

 

[Mambo95]

you do rate evans as better cyclist than menchov? ok. based in what?

When they race against each other, Evans beats Menchov more often than Menchov beats Evans.

 

[airstream]

I think, they're incomparable as cyclists because its impossible to rate their palmares objectively. Each fan has his own priorities and builds opinion around them. As for Grand Tour contender Cadel is stronger not because of the TdF victory. Evans was always concentrated on Le Tour, turning down from capability to win a GT with a weaker field, and finally rewarded. Besides, we all remember how much luck he had.
Evans won with fabulous ride on the Galibier. It was a benefit of pure strength. How many guys he dropped? Can you imagine Menchov saving the race the same way? I can't. Menchov could give victory being agreed to stay the second.
This opinion is biased for sure, but not everything is measured by titles.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

When they race against each other, Evans beats Menchov more often than Menchov beats Evans.

Menchov always finds a way to lose some unnecessary time. Like in the 2008 TDF when he was a bit stronger than Evans overall, but still finished behind him in GC. He lost time in a flat stage, on the descent from Bonette and on Prato Nevoso where he crashed in a corner.

 

[Mambo95]

Menchov always finds a way to lose some unnecessary time. Like in the 2008 TDF when he was a bit stronger than Evans overall, but still finished behind him in GC. He lost time in a flat stage, on the descent from Bonette and on Prato Nevoso where he crashed in a corner.

Not making a horse's backside of things is a pretty important part of sport at any level. More important than being 'the strongest'. Being the strongest isn't much good if you also the thickest.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Not making a horse's backside of things is a pretty important part of sport at any level. More important than being 'the strongest'. Being the strongest isn't much good if you also the thickest.

Haha, for sure. Evans is a much better bike handler at that.

 

[Swede1]

So Evans would have beaten Menchov in the Giro 2009? I don't think so. In one day races Evans is better, in GT's it depends on if Menchov is actually trying.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Evans is a better cyclist than Menchov because Evans is very good at 1 day races too and because Evans targets many races in 1 season.

On a grand tour level I could understand why some might think Menchov is better though I think its close, but as a cyclist Evans is clearly better.

this is basically the situation.

 

[Parrulo]

this is basically the situation.

ya pretty much. i also say cadel is a much better rider overall. on a GT they are almost equals imo with me giving menchov the slight advantage, i mean giro 2009 menchov was an absurd beast and he has had great GT performances in many GT's even tho he lost stupid time in most, evans on the other hand usually loses his time on important moments so thats why i give menchov the advantage in terms of GT riding, but as an overall rider evans is just a few levels above i mean great 1 week stage racer, great classics rider, good GT rider, good bike handling skills. . . above all a very complete rider so superior to the one trick pony menchov is ( not that being an amazing GT rider is a bad trick to have, just ask carlos sastre )

 

[Nick C.]

Menchov has more GTs to his credit than Evans but that's it. Look at when they have been in the thick of things togther. Who takes responsibility, not Menchov. There are several occasions where they have been the "hang close and take back time in the TT" contenders in the group chasing and it was always down to Evans to do the chasing with maybe a few lackluster pulls from Menchov in the final K or 2. Maybe I'm just thinking of the Alpe D'Huez in '08, but it seems to me this has happened on three or four occasions.