Cadel Evans on 2012 TdF favorites : No contador among the main contenders??

[cineteq]

Cadel Evans to Gazetta regarding Tirreno and Tour: "(Contador) He's a great rider, but we cannot talk about fighting... it's more a matter of saving as more energies as possible. If I will be able to get the same result as this past year it would be great."

Lets hope this stupid thread is now finished after this and the Contador fanboys can stop carrying on like idiots because their god wasn't praised by another rider.

No kidding, 8 pages of meaningless drama

 

[The Hitch]

Cadel Evans to Gazetta regarding Tirreno and Tour: "(Contador) He's a great rider, but we cannot talk about fighting... it's more a matter of saving as more energies as possible. If I will be able to get the same result as this past year it would be great."

Lets hope this stupid thread is now finished after this and the Contador fanboys can stop carrying on like idiots because their god wasn't praised by another rider.

The thread was legitimate, as Cadel did indeed neglect to mention Contador when naming favorites in 1 particular interview, but chose Levi and Tony Martin, and then when asked, suggested that Contador was no longer the same force because he lost this years Tour.

The OP had not imagined the incident but rather, provided a link to an interview where you can see what happened.

You will also find that the article was brought up in 2 other threads as well as this, showing that a number of people felt shocked enough, when they read the article to bring it up.

Secondly you will find that lots of people, including myself, took a none judgmental, openminded approach to the article, suggesting that there must be a mistranslation or some other unexplained incident, that gets Cadel Evans to name Tony Martin but not the 3 time champion, when listing favourites.

Thirdly, finding what Evans says in this article surprising, and commenting on it has Nothing to do with liking Contador or not. You will find that a some of the posters who expressed surprise are Evans fans, or even Contador haters.

Everyone aknowledges that Contador is at the very least a major gc candidate, and was therefore shocked to see Levi Leipheimer being mentioned above him.

Its not about wanting Contador to be mentioned. I dont think even Albertos staunchest fans care if his opponents name him as a favourite or not.

A comment 99% of the time reveals far more about the person giving it than the person receiving it.

It was Evans who made the comment so we were all wondering whether Evans had gone nuts, not whether Contador had ceased to be a Gt contender.

As it happens we still dont know the story behind the linked article. Was Evans trying to play mind games? Did he for a sec think that Contador had gone weaker?

As far as we know Evans may have realised it was a mistake and is now trying to make amends.

My own theory is that Evans, like a lot of cyclists, just said something very stupid. Very often cyclists contradict themselves drastically, and come out with unexplainable comments. Ive seen it many many times. Contador is guilty of this as are a lot of other cyclists. Might be something to do with the mentality of individuals who are able to achieve such feats.

Seems this is just Evans joining the club and his sudden change of mind doesnt expalin the original comment.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The only place where Leipheimer should be mentioned ahead of Contador is in a Terry Savalas Look-Alike Contest.

 

[BM1979]

Geez now we are telling riders what opinions they are allowed to have. Maybe Cadel was just hoping justice would be served.

 

[auscyclefan94]

No kidding, 8 pages of meaningless drama

exactly, the reading comprehension skills of some people amaze me. Anyway, if he did say what some people are trying to claim that he did then does it really require a thread? Not surprising when we have a very obvious Contador fanboy club on this forum board

 

[Woody22]

The thread was legitimate, as Cadel did indeed neglect to mention Contador when naming favorites in 1 particular interview, but chose Levi and Tony Martin, and then when asked, suggested that Contador was no longer the same force because he lost this years Tour.

The OP had not imagined the incident but rather, provided a link to an interview where you can see what happened.

You will also find that the article was brought up in 2 other threads as well as this, showing that a number of people felt shocked enough, when they read the article to bring it up.

Secondly you will find that lots of people, including myself, took a none judgmental, openminded approach to the article, suggesting that there must be a mistranslation or some other unexplained incident, that gets Cadel Evans to name Tony Martin but not the 3 time champion, when listing favourites.

Thirdly, finding what Evans says in this article surprising, and commenting on it has Nothing to do with liking Contador or not. You will find that a some of the posters who expressed surprise are Evans fans, or even Contador haters.

Everyone aknowledges that Contador is at the very least a major gc candidate, and was therefore shocked to see Levi Leipheimer being mentioned above him.

Its not about wanting Contador to be mentioned. I dont think even Albertos staunchest fans care if his opponents name him as a favourite or not.

A comment 99% of the time reveals far more about the person giving it than the person receiving it.

It was Evans who made the comment so we were all wondering whether Evans had gone nuts, not whether Contador had ceased to be a Gt contender.

As it happens we still dont know the story behind the linked article. Was Evans trying to play mind games? Did he for a sec think that Contador had gone weaker?

As far as we know Evans may have realised it was a mistake and is now trying to make amends.

My own theory is that Evans, like a lot of cyclists, just said something very stupid. Very often cyclists contradict themselves drastically, and come out with unexplainable comments. Ive seen it many many times. Contador is guilty of this as are a lot of other cyclists. Might be something to do with the mentality of individuals who are able to achieve such feats.

Seems this is just Evans joining the club and his sudden change of mind doesnt expalin the original comment.

I think Evans didn't name Contador because Contador may not be racing in next years Tour. That may have been in the back of his mind at the time and he simply listed the riders who, baring injury, will be at the Tour.

 

[WonderLance]

It's obvious Evans is a better TTr than Berttie. He's won a lot TT's and so long as he doesnt have to start first and has a person in front to concentrate dam hardon he can finish second in anything.Tell me about the 60km tt's that berty has won, excactly you cant.

Bertie has shown throughout his carreer that he is temperamental, unstable and unable to perform when the pressure is on. This is obvious as he only got fifth this year.

 

[The Hitch]

exactly, the reading comprehension skills of some people amaze me. Anyway, if he did say what some people are trying to claim that he did then does it really require a thread? Not surprising when we have a very obvious Contador fanboy club on this forum board

Excuse me, rather than insult the comprehension skills of the 3 people who introduced the thread into the forum, and the countless others who commented on it, including many Evans fans, you might want to look over the many instances in this forum history were your drastic overreactions reached comic proportions, causing you to rush for the delete post buttons.

I have explained to you why this thread was legitimate.

To insult everyone, ignore their comments, and try to sweep this minor thing under the carpet, simply because 1 or 2 posters might have questioned Cadel's greatness (not that it seems you read much of the thread anyway) is a display of such immense fanboyism, which I have never seen from a Contador fan, or indeed any other fan of any other rider.

you should apologise to all those you insulted, and learn to read yourself before you throw that one around.

I think Evans didn't name Contador because Contador may not be racing in next years Tour. That may have been in the back of his mind at the time and he simply listed the riders who, baring injury, will be at the Tour.

I said in 1 of the threads where this was mentioned that maybe Evans was leaving Contador out because he probably wont ride next year, and I would understand if that were the explenation.

But it was later pointed out that immediately after this comment, Evans said that he feels Contador is no longer a major force.

And in other comments he does rate Contador as a threat. So the incident seems a bit weird to me.

 

[El Pistolero]

It's pretty simple really, Evans forgot to mention Contador in his list of favorites and after realizing how stupid he sounded he is now trying to make amends in his other interviews. The most stupid part of his interview was however naming Peter Velits, Leipheimer and Tony Martin over a 3 time Tour winner, 2 time Giro winner and Vuelta winner.

Evans should realize that a 24 year old kid beat him in a time trial heavy Tour. A lot of people acknowledged that Contador in the Giro this year was the strongest Contador ever. He's not stagnating, on the contrary...

 

[La Pandera]

It's pretty simple really, Evans forgot to mention Contador in his list of favorites and after realizing how stupid he sounded he is now trying to make amends in his other interviews. The most stupid part of his interview was however naming Peter Velits, Leipheimer and Tony Martin over a 3 time Tour winner, 2 time Giro winner and Vuelta winner.

Evans should realize that a 24 year old kid beat him in a time trial heavy Tour. A lot of people acknowledged that Contador in the Giro this year was the strongest Contador ever. He's not stagnating, on the contrary...

As Hitch reminded us he made a statement that he really can't recant, that being that he thinks Contador is no longer a force or the force that he was and used his result in this year's Tour as supporting evidence. How he can go back and make amends for that statement is beyond me unless it was a mistranslation.

 

[El Pistolero]

As Hitch reminded us he made a statement that he really can't recant, that being that he thinks Contador is no longer a force or the force that he was and used his result in this year's Tour as supporting evidence. How he can go back and make amends for that statement is beyond me unless it was a mistranslation.

By listing him as a favorite in his later interviews.

 

[La Pandera]

By listing him as a favorite in his later interviews.

How does that make up for saying that he's no longer a force? Makes him seem a bit wishy-washy.

 

[El Pistolero]

How does that make up for saying that he's no longer a force? Makes him seem a bit wishy-washy.

Exactly. I never said he made up for it, I said he was trying to make up for it. Subtle difference. He made an honest mistake in forgetting to name Contador, no big deal really, but it does make him look somewhat idiotic especially because he's rating Tony Martin over him.

 

[nobilis]

Excuse me, rather than insult the comprehension skills of the 3 people who introduced the thread into the forum, and the countless others who commented on it, including many Evans fans, you might want to look over the many instances in this forum history were your drastic overreactions reached comic proportions, causing you to rush for the delete post buttons.

I have explained to you why this thread was legitimate.

To insult everyone, ignore their comments, and try to sweep this minor thing under the carpet, simply because 1 or 2 posters might have questioned Cadel's greatness (not that it seems you read much of the thread anyway) is a display of such immense fanboyism, which I have never seen from a Contador fan, or indeed any other fan of any other rider.

you should apologise to all those you insulted, and learn to read yourself before you throw that one around.



I said in 1 of the threads where this was mentioned that maybe Evans was leaving Contador out because he probably wont ride next year, and I would understand if that were the explenation.

But it was later pointed out that immediately after this comment, Evans said that he feels Contador is no longer a major force.

And in other comments he does rate Contador as a threat. So the incident seems a bit weird to me.

i think the best way to deal with acf insulting and severely biased posts is just by ignoring them.

 

[guncha]

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[c&cfan]

exactly, the reading comprehension skills of some people amaze me. Anyway, if he did say what some people are trying to claim that he did then does it really require a thread? Not surprising when we have a very obvious Contador fanboy club on this forum board

lol.. it's obvious why someone can be a diehard contador fan. unlike you, those folks (us) have reasons to admire him. he is the epitome of dedication and talent to this sport. you see, maybe we are not some irrational spoiled brat with a stupid and irrational fanboyism without any logic besides the national colors? contador is a champion, he isn't someone that can make you feel happy when he wins just because he is inferior, the underdog. he is the best cyclist ever. true champion, in a totally different class of some wannabes true champions, like evens.

 

[GWAR79]

During an interview it is likely that the interviewee may forget to say something they later wish they did....

Have any of you rockstars made the perfect interview?

i've been interviewed a few times (once on camera) and I said some of the dumbest S H I T even though I rate myself as an above average public speaker...

Catch my drift?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

During an interview it is likely that the interviewee may forget to say something they later wish they did....

Have any of you rockstars made the perfect interview?

i've been interviewed a few times (once on camera) and I said some of the dumbest S H I T even though I rate myself as an above average public speaker...

Catch my drift?

at the world champs, some journalists for rabobank interviewed me and i was terrible. Talked a whole lot rubbish

 

[Quixote]

I finally got around to reading the linked Spanish article. No bad translation...simply stated, Cadel omitted Alberto from the list of dangerous contenders. Here are my questions (assuming Cadel's comments weren't taken out of context) and that he said what he believes.
Was Cadel considering the fact that all of his "presumed" dangerous contenders are from the roster-improved teams (Sky, Quick Step, and Radio/Trek)? If that's the case, his comments were as much about Saxo as about Alberto.
If it were a "gamesmanship" comment, it clearly has a much chance of backfiring as it does getting under Alberto's skin.

 

[movingtarget]

lol.. it's obvious why someone can be a diehard contador fan. unlike you, those folks (us) have reasons to admire him. he is the epitome of dedication and talent to this sport. you see, maybe we are not some irrational spoiled brat with a stupid and irrational fanboyism without any logic besides the national colors? contador is a champion, he isn't someone that can make you feel happy when he wins just because he is inferior, the underdog. he is the best cyclist ever. true champion, in a totally different class of some wannabes true champions, like evens.

So if Contador is banned what does that make him ? To say he is a better cyclist than Hinault or Merckx is ridiculous or possibly even Indurain, Armstrong, Anquetil or Lemond. Okay for the Spanish to love the Spaniards but not for the Aussies who love their idols ? Everyone has their favourite riders and often not from their own country. Fanboy is one of the most over used words on this forum and it's meaningless. Evans is definitely a champion whether people like him or not and he has always praised Contador's ability. Evans should not be written off after one interview. Maybe people are being a bit too sensitive.

 

[c&cfan]

So if Contador is banned what does that make him ? To say he is a better cyclist than Hinault or Merckx is ridiculous or possibly even Indurain, Armstrong, Anquetil or Lemond. Okay for the Spanish to love the Spaniards but not for the Aussies who love their idols ? Everyone has their favourite riders and often not from their own country. Fanboy is one of the most over used words on this forum and it's meaningless. Evans is definitely a champion whether people like him or not and he has always praised Contador's ability. Evans should not be written off after one interview. Maybe people are being a bit too sensitive.

lol... there's reasons to be a fan of contador besides national colors, unlike evens. he is a great athlete but obviously is to contador what the earth is to the sky. huge difference.

absurd?????? are you still in the "farm boys riding bikes against a pro" era?

 

[simo1733]

I find it funny how Phil Anderson is a good judge of character. That really cracks me up. Breaking up with two wives and then breaking an intervention order with one of them and then twisting one of his wife's arms amongst other force used.

There are plenty of Cadel Evans fans on this forum due to his many heroic performances particularly in the last couple of years.
Unfortunately there are also several Cadel haters.This is mostly due to efforts of his arch fanboy . What a turn off.

 

[Woody22]

lol.. it's obvious why someone can be a diehard contador fan. unlike you, those folks (us) have reasons to admire him. he is the epitome of dedication and talent to this sport. you see, maybe we are not some irrational spoiled brat with a stupid and irrational fanboyism without any logic besides the national colors? contador is a champion, he isn't someone that can make you feel happy when he wins just because he is inferior, the underdog. he is the best cyclist ever. true champion, in a totally different class of some wannabes true champions, like evens.

Have to laugh. If I wrote similar rubbish about Evans than I would be very quickly replied to by the Contador lovers, and one in particular (although he claims to be fair and back up every argument with facts).

So what's wrong?? Why don't you reply to this and use some facts to point out why Evans may be a little bit better cyclist than a 'wannabe true champion'??

I think winning the TDF, the World Championships, a one day classic (or semi-classic if you want to get picky), along with everything else he has accomplished is not too bad.

 

[c&cfan]

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Have to laugh. If I wrote similar rubbish about Evans than I would be very quickly replied to by the Contador lovers, and one in particular (although he claims to be fair and back up every argument with facts).

So what's wrong?? Why don't you reply to this and use some facts to point out why Evans may be a little bit better cyclist than a 'wannabe true champion'??

I think winning the TDF, the World Championships, a one day classic (or semi-classic if you want to get picky), along with everything else he has accomplished is not too bad.

a tour were almost 90% of the contenders were handicapped, with all the hypocrisy surrounding him (drugs) that was quickly forgot, because god forgive us if evens the underdog is dirty. a great WC win, a semi-classic. he is good, but by true champions i mean guys like alberto, ulrich, LA, indurain, marco... "the" champions. evens is in pereiro's category, with all due respect.

 

[The Hitch]

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Have to laugh. If I wrote similar rubbish about Evans than I would be very quickly replied to by the Contador lovers, and one in particular (although he claims to be fair and back up every argument with facts).

Actually most on the forum have long rejected C&C comments. He has been up to this trick many times before and this logic is totaly foreign and repulsive to me.

We just dont dignify it with a response, largely because the poster has written similar posts many times in the past, so we just leave it alone now.

I hope that comment was not directed at me, as it would be a bit of a low blow.

And yes if you wrote that about Evans I would find it just as ridiculous as when it is written about Contador.

I would only respond the first few times though. If you had been making similar comments for the last year, we wouldnt bother, just like with C&C fan.

But if you want clarification, I stand with you in condemning those comments.

I only think that Contador is good rider, not that he is ubermensch.

Actually one of the reasons that I have often supported Evans is precisely because he was the underdog, and thats also why I never supported Contador until stage 16 2011, and why I no longer hold the same