Cadel looking ahead...

[auscyclefan94]

Dissing your team publicly.

It's alright for AC to do it or LA to do it but not Cadel. The support Lotto gave Cadel was abysmal. The shambles with him riding the giro then not riding the giro proved the point.

 

[mherm79]

+1
Change could and should help Cadel if he makes the choice to move. Look at the change from T-Mobile to Lotto did for him. It rejuvanated his career. But a rider of his calibre deserves better support crew and team around him to give him what he needs.

Cadel is at risk of become an 'almost ran' unless he stands up and becomes the leader he needs to be to win big stage races or GTs. He hasn't done that at SIL - hopefully he does and moves.

as an Aussie I think it will a huge shame if he doesn't clock up a few wins in the next few years. i would be happy to watch him ride as a domestique for others at the TdF if that meant the team rode for him at the Giro, Valuta

 

[badboyberty]

Cadel is at risk of become an 'almost ran' unless he stands up and becomes the leader he needs to be to win big stage races or GTs. He hasn't done that at SIL - hopefully he does and moves.

as an Aussie I think it will a huge shame if he doesn't clock up a few wins in the next few years. i would be happy to watch him ride as a domestique for others at the TdF if that meant the team rode for him at the Giro, Valuta

I'd say the route of the Worlds this year should give Cadel as good chance as any for him to gain some glory. It'd also be ironic if an Australian can win the Worlds in a year where we've had so few major wins.

 

[BroDeal]

I'd say the route of the Worlds this year should give Cadel as good chance as any for him to gain some glory. It'd also be ironic if an Australian can win the Worlds in a year where we've had so few major wins.

Getting walloped by the Brits again I see.

Uh, oh. That is probably a hanging offense down under.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Getting walloped by the Brits again I see.

Uh, oh. That is probably a hanging offense down under.

who out of the british could win on a course like in mendrisio

 

[BroDeal]

who out of the british could win on a course like in mendrisio

I was talking in general about the season.

Evans will be up against some pretty serious competition. With the course as it is, it looks like it will be a war between the Spaniards and Italians. I'll be pulling for Cunego.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I was talking in general about the season.

Evans will be up against some pretty serious competition. With the course as it is, it looks like it will be a war between the Spaniards and Italians. I'll be pulling for Cunego.

Valverde would have to be the favourite. Cunego and A Schleck could also be a chance. I wonder how AC would go in a 1 day classic race. Has he ever ridden one...

 

[issoisso]

I wonder how AC would go in a 1 day classic race. Has he ever ridden one...

Very very badly. Simply because his major weakness is stamina. He's ridden quite a few of them, but he's hardly finished any.

 

[badboyberty]

I'd have to say it's Spain in as number one favourite, but number two I'd say is pretty even between Australia and Italy. Italy just lost their punchiest rider to stupidity and Australia should be able to play tactics with Davis, Gerrans or Evans depending on the way things pan out.

Of course we can't forget Luxembourg or the Swiss.

Feel sorry for Germany though, so high on the UCI points table, but take away Hausller and the best they've got is Ciolek.

 

[TrudyTas]

I'd have to say it's Spain in as number one favourite, but number two I'd say is pretty even between Australia and Italy. Italy just lost their punchiest rider to stupidity and Australia should be able to play tactics with Davis, Gerrans or Evans depending on the way things pan out.

Of course we can't forget Luxembourg or the Swiss.

Feel sorry for Germany though, so high on the UCI points table, but take away Hausller and the best they've got is Ciolek.

Can't wait for Haussler to start riding for the Aussies. Do you think he could replace Cadel in the hearts of Aussie fans?

 

[53 x 11]

I was talking in general about the season.

Evans will be up against some pretty serious competition. With the course as it is, it looks like it will be a war between the Spaniards and Italians. I'll be pulling for Cunego.

DO NOT talk about or cricket! hahahahah.

As much as I would like to see cuddles take the win the Australian team will not be able to take on the Spanish or Italians even without De Luca and Tin Tin.

 

[karlboss]

I agree with mr pounder on garmin, Evans wants sole leadership, and with vande velde, and wiggins he's not getting it. i think the teams that have two leaders need those two to be friends and really be able to celebrate the others success and selflessness is required.
One bad tour and he is relegated to domestique or continental status...pretty harsh he did come second at the dauphine, i don't think contador went all out but I'm sure others did. After this performance I think he'd struggle to claim sole or even dual leadership on a big team, but certainly on silence again he'd be 1 or 2, and my favourite Katusha number one. its a good move.
When he says he wants the whole team behind him I believe he means behind him as a GC rider ie not a 2nd GC rider. He has stated before he has no problem with a sprinter on the team and has proven one like robbie isn't detrimental.

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

If Silence can get their act straight, why would he move?
Then again, it's Silence-Lotto we're talking about...

 

[ChipSeal]

Evans staying with Slience might not be a bad option. After all. Now MS has found a potential Belgian superstar riding for a Belgian team, the pressure to mount a serious challenge and build a team capable of winning will be huge. Unless JvdB is just a flash in the pan, never to be seen again, he isn't going to be sneaking in under the radar to a podium finish in any of the GT's anytime soon.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I agree with mr pounder on garmin, Evans wants sole leadership, and with vande velde, and wiggins he's not getting it. i think the teams that have two leaders need those two to be friends and really be able to celebrate the others success and selflessness is required.
One bad tour and he is relegated to domestique or continental status...pretty harsh he did come second at the dauphine, i don't think contador went all out but I'm sure others did. After this performance I think he'd struggle to claim sole or even dual leadership on a big team, but certainly on silence again he'd be 1 or 2, and my favourite Katusha number one. its a good move.
When he says he wants the whole team behind him I believe he means behind him as a GC rider ie not a 2nd GC rider. He has stated before he has no problem with a sprinter on the team and has proven one like robbie isn't detrimental.

I think in the end he may get the leadership with Garmin. He has ridden higher on the overall classification at at the tour de france over the past two years. Their is also an aussie influence in the team with matty white as director sportif.
If not garmin i think it will be AG2R. They have a very strong team which rode on the front to help defend Nocentini's lead theough the pyrenees. Nocentini can climb, so can Goubert, Efimkin, Dessel and Goubert. I'm not sure about Roche or Arrieta but they might be alright. Even though AG2R are good choice the best alternative would be to go to Garmin.

The real reason i created this thread is to discuss where cadel will be at 2010. Please take a look at this interview. It's really interesting...
http://player.sbs.com.au/tdf#/tdf_08/interviews/interviews/playlist/Cadel-relieved-and-joyful/
P.S The reason i put liquigas in the poll is because Mike tomolarais said that because his wife is italian Liquigas might be a good choice .
The real reason i put liquigas down and not other teams is because i had a mental blank. Unfortunately i can't edit polls. Sorry guys!

 

[issoisso]

The only chance I see of Evans leaving Lotto is in the not-so-likely-event of going to Katusha. Everything else strikes me as impossible.

 

[Cobber]

I agree with mr pounder on garmin, Evans wants sole leadership, and with vande velde, and wiggins he's not getting it. i think the teams that have two leaders need those two to be friends and really be able to celebrate the others success and selflessness is required.
One bad tour and he is relegated to domestique or continental status...pretty harsh he did come second at the dauphine, i don't think contador went all out but I'm sure others did. After this performance I think he'd struggle to claim sole or even dual leadership on a big team, but certainly on silence again he'd be 1 or 2, and my favourite Katusha number one. its a good move.
When he says he wants the whole team behind him I believe he means behind him as a GC rider ie not a 2nd GC rider. He has stated before he has no problem with a sprinter on the team and has proven one like robbie isn't detrimental.

+1......

Well, you know Valverde went all out. He collapsed at the finish of the stage into Saint-François-Longchamp, where Evans was attacking the whole way up. People also seem to have forgotten that Cadel claimed to be sick during the tour. Hi said at one point (the Columbiere stage I think) that he coughed up half a litre of phlegm during the stage. If he was that sick, I am surprised he finished.

Add to all that the disappointment of losing so much time in the TTT and the pressure the teams main sponsor was putting on the team management to throw all support behing the Belgian Van den Broeck and it is not surprising he lost motivation towards the end. In light of all this, I would be very surprised if he did stay with S-L.... unless he can't get out of his contract.

Whether he would be willing to share team leadership or not is a tough question to ask. He might be willing given that he knows he would be on a team that could TTT well

 

[Cobber]

The real reason i created this thread is to discuss where cadel will be at 2010. Please take a look at this interview. It's really interesting...
http://player.sbs.com.au/tdf#/tdf_08/interviews/interviews/playlist/Cadel-relieved-and-joyful/

Wow... great interview. Thanks for the link!

Hard to get too much out of that, however (other than he plans to ride the Vuelta ). I got the feeling that he was pretty upset with the team , saying thinga like "Van den Broeck is a Belgian, so he is treated defferently" and so on. I hope that means he is looking to go somewhere where he will be happier....

 

[auscyclefan94]

+1......

Well, you know Valverde went all out. He collapsed at the finish of the stage into Saint-François-Longchamp, where Evans was attacking the whole way up. People also seem to have forgotten that Cadel claimed to be sick during the tour. Hi said at one point (the Columbiere stage I think) that he coughed up half a litre of phlegm during the stage. If he was that sick, I am surprised he finished.

Add to all that the disappointment of losing so much time in the TTT and the pressure the teams main sponsor was putting on the team management to throw all support behing the Belgian Van den Broeck and it is not surprising he lost motivation towards the end. In light of all this, I would be very surprised if he did stay with S-L.... unless he can't get out of his contract.

Whether he would be willing to share team leadership or not is a tough question to ask. He might be willing given that he knows he would be on a team that could TTT well

Imagine coughing up half a litre of phlegm. That would make somebody who was watching sick as a dog. I think his probs at this tour were a combination of sickness, bad legs but mostly mental/team problems.

 

[thehog]

Imagine coughing up half a litre of phlegm. That would make somebody who was watching sick as a dog. I think his probs at this tour were a combination of sickness, bad legs but mostly mental/team problems.

http://www.sbs.com.au/blogarticle/113397/Belgian-love-augments-Evans’-victory

 

[thehog]

Have a look at this interview. it's very interesting.
http://player.sbs.com.au/tdf#/tdf_08/interviews/interviews/playlist/Cadel-relieved-and-joyful/

"Normally i will go for the tour and normally i will have another year on my contract with this team but cycling's a weird sport"
"It's a belgian team and he (Jurgen) gets looked at in a different light"

This tells me he's going to move. He also says normally he will aim for the tour. I think he's in the crossroads of his career not exactly sure where he's going. He said he's taking a break and preparing for 2010. Good move Cadel. I expect to hear something in the next few weeks or the next few months about Cadel's future plans.

Please vote to where you think he will go...

Good interview thanks for the heads up.

http://www.sbs.com.au/blogarticle/113397/Belgian-love-augments-Evans’-victory

 

[awal3207]

I dont think anyone has mentioned the fact that Silence did buy Kohl and Dekker, both of which would have been excellent domestiques. Cadel poor showing this year and constant complaining about his team is no doubt a reason why Silence has not recruitied any really descent climbers (other than Van Goolen) for next season. They probably are now going to focus efforts on keeping/supporting Gilbert and Van den Broeck (cant spell) given their improvement over the last couple of seasons.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I dont think anyone has mentioned the fact that Silence did buy Kohl and Dekker, both of which would have been excellent domestiques. Cadel poor showing this year and constant complaining about his team is no doubt a reason why Silence has not recruitied any really descent climbers (other than Van Goolen) for next season. They probably are now going to focus efforts on keeping/supporting Gilbert and Van den Broeck (cant spell) given their improvement over the last couple of seasons.

Kohl, Popovych and Dekker were both big let downs. van goolen is a neat climber. They also brought in Jan Baeklandts in who is a classic rider and can climb.
Here's a hypothetical; If Cadel rides the tour...
- I would be very surprised if Gilbert doesn't ride as they get along quite especially after the leadership issue during the classics.
- Van den Broeck won't be equal leader as Cadel is consistent in GT's (except 09 tour) and is usually better than Vdb before the tour.If he is, well i for see him fading in the tt. Vdb will also mature and will be an asset to
- Francis De Greef and Chris Brandt will ride the tour as de Greef was Cadel's main mountain goat during the vuelta and gave great support. Cadel gave credit to Brandt saying he was his rock and was good on the flats for him
- Matt Lloyd will mature along a lot more and be able to ride consistently in a GT as he struggled in the back half of the tour and vuelta.

 

[Anonymous]

Now that he's a world champion?

I highly doubt Silence-Lotto will want to get rid of him anymore...

At the time of the tour, I was thinking that an english speaking team is the best option for cadel. The belgians teams (IMO) are very "you race for us, you must win for us", whereas the english speaking teams are much more relaxed with their approach being "we will do everything to help you win".

Unfortunately for Cadel, his talent is not needed on Columbia, Garmin or RadioShack in terms of targeting the Mellow Yellow. No doubt, if JV was his director, or Bruyneel, then his success (and mindset) would change as these two are great directors that motivate rather than punish a rider. Perhaps, as many suggested, he goes to one of these teams as an ardennes classics/giro/vuelta team leader, and a helper/decoy in the TDF. He absolutely deserves a GT to his name, and I think the 09 Giro was a chance, but he refused to race.

The jist is: if he wants the TDF, he stays at Silence, and potentially misses out on victory again. If he wants classics and giro/vuelta, he should move to Garmin or RadioShack, and probably win.

Whats more important for him, another TDF podium, or a Giro/Vuelta WIN ??

 

[ProfTournesol]

Kohl, Popovych and Dekker were both big let downs. van goolen is a neat climber. They also brought in Jan Baeklandts in who is a classic rider and can climb.
Here's a hypothetical; If Cadel rides the tour...
- I would be very surprised if Gilbert doesn't ride as they get along quite especially after the leadership issue during the classics.
- Van den Broeck won't be equal leader as Cadel is consistent in GT's (except 09 tour) and is usually better than Vdb before the tour.If he is, well i for see him fading in the tt. Vdb will also mature and will be an asset to
- Francis De Greef and Chris Brandt will ride the tour as de Greef was Cadel's main mountain goat during the vuelta and gave great support. Cadel gave credit to Brandt saying he was his rock and was good on the flats for him
- Matt Lloyd will mature along a lot more and be able to ride consistently in a GT as he struggled in the back half of the tour and vuelta.

kinda depends on whether ASO include a team time trial in 2010. Now that they see pandering to LA as suiting their agendas, it's likely to stay in, and it isn't a Silence strong point