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Cadel's destintation...

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Where will Cadel be in 2010?

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Angliru said:
I didn't bother to look at or participate in the poll since I came in on all of this after BMC was announced as his intended destination. BMC seems to be the least likely option if winning the Tour is his true goal. I'm sure his choice shocked the mass majority of the forum. I'm just mad that the Contador move hasn't been so quickly resolved.:D

I like many was surprised but if you were a Team Manager would you want Evans and how much would you pay him?

I thought that he had been lucky with Silence Lotto as they had given him some (limited) support. I definitely don't see him as a Tour winner in the next three years.

I think the winner is BMC as they will certainly win in the race invites so for them the investment in Evans is probably small in their view.

I am surprised with the comments regarding how much he might or might not earn. What rider isn't trying to maximise their worth in what is typically a short professional career. Team Managers aren't obiliged to pay a rider any more than they choose to (unless the sponser insists). It is a free market after all.
 
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Sambee said:
Auscyclefan94 - I hope you have given your sources a good talking to, as their facts weren't very - um factful!




Right back at post number 4, Blackcat picked BMC...



Sorry, but Angliru has a good point here



The poll is misleading...and this from the creator of the Poll - so the 52.9% of people that chose other are misleading...I chose other but didn't state what team I thought it would be because I really didn't have a clue. This has been one of the quietest transfers out so how could anyone have a clue. But you seemed to know for a fact that he wasn't.


And this explains everything...you follow a team that chokes at the most important moment of the football year!

I was told by a good source that he was going to a strong team. BMC is not a strong team for GT's though for classics they are very good.
 
blackcat said:
he is going to BMC, close the poll.

why?

business model: Cervelo 2009

BMC is Swiss

BMC and Andy Rihs will have a working relationship with Rominger of IMG, Evans manager

rainbow rings buys an invite

Ballan and Hincapie proved ambition

Cancellara will come in 2011, and try and win the Tour. But 'tl then, they are sort of stuck, and need a Tour invite.

Is about $$$. Not about team support. Not sure who they can now get to support Evans in the mtns. But this is not about winning the Tour. Evans and his manager are about $$$, not about planning to get the appropriate team. Besides, the biggest variable in winning the Tour is the medical support, not the team support.

rainbow is the change

so who you work for? BMC? CE? both?
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
i know, but they are the colours of my afl team so i don't mind it.

I guess the likelihood of Cadel winning the TDF with BMC is the same as Collingwood winning a premiership - maybe Malthouse could be his new performance coach LOL!

You certainly won't make any more friends now you have outed yourself as a Collingwood supporter!
 
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easytiger said:
I guess the likelihood of Cadel winning the TDF with BMC is the same as Collingwood winning a premiership - maybe Malthouse could be his new performance coach LOL!

You certainly won't make any more friends now you have outed yourself as a Collingwood supporter!

:D. I know i should of kept my mouth shut. Just to let you know easy tiger cadel is in Adelaide's Dymocks now. Being an adelaide or port adelaide bogan
(joke) supporter is nothing to be proud of either.
 
timmers said:
I like many was surprised but if you were a Team Manager would you want Evans and how much would you pay him?

I thought that he had been lucky with Silence Lotto as they had given him some (limited) support. I definitely don't see him as a Tour winner in the next three years.

I think the winner is BMC as they will certainly win in the race invites so for them the investment in Evans is probably small in their view.

I am surprised with the comments regarding how much he might or might not earn. What rider isn't trying to maximise their worth in what is typically a short professional career. Team Managers aren't obiliged to pay a rider any more than they choose to (unless the sponser insists). It is a free market after all.

I guess it would depend on what team I was managing. If it were BMC, the answer would be "Yes" but as far as how much I can't confidently put a actual figure on what I believe would be a reasonable price for Evans' services. Of course his presence on the team increases its profile and its attractiveness to the major races (Ardennes classics, stage races and grand tours) that BMC might otherwise have not gotten invited. From Evans' standpoint I can't see how this move increases his chances of reaching his ultimate goal, which is to win the Tour. I personally gave him very little chance of ever winning based on the performances of Contador and Schleck and their continued improvement in all disciplines.

Evans did well considering his opposition but he missed his opportunity in 2008 to win the Tour. The window is now closed in my opinion and if he were to pursue winning the Giro and the Vuellta he'd have a better chance of success.
As it is now at the Tour with Nibali, Gesink, Kreuziger and Martin maturing, Armstrong likely to return stronger than this year, Leipheimer also returning along with Menchov, Wiggins and Vande Velde, the competition will be extremely stiff.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
:D. I know i should of kept my mouth shut. Just to let you know easy tiger cadel is in Adelaide's Dymocks now. Being an adelaide or port adelaide bogan
(joke) supporter is nothing to be proud of either.

Just for the record I don't support either - and a Magpies tragic calling Port bogans ... hmmm.

Getting back on topic - I will scoot down to Dymocks and ask Cadel what got into his tiny little brain? I'll also ask him when he decided to make the split - a pretty pertinent question. He has been slagging Silence left right and centre during his media circus in Australia. He is almost as over exposed as Eddie Mcguire - sorry I had to slip the knife again :)
 
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blackcat said:
he is going to BMC, close the poll.

why?

business model: Cervelo 2009

BMC is Swiss

BMC and Andy Rihs will have a working relationship with Rominger of IMG, Evans manager

rainbow rings buys an invite

Ballan and Hincapie proved ambition

Cancellara will come in 2011, and try and win the Tour. But 'tl then, they are sort of stuck, and need a Tour invite.

Is about $$$. Not about team support. Not sure who they can now get to support Evans in the mtns. But this is not about winning the Tour. Evans and his manager are about $$$, not about planning to get the appropriate team. Besides, the biggest variable in winning the Tour is the medical support, not the team support.

rainbow is the change

Was interested in cancellara trying for stage races...even more so now.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Obviously that means he wants to win the tour.

to be fair, we all want to win the tour, but theres a cat in hells chance of it ever happening..
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
:D. I know i should of kept my mouth shut. Just to let you know easy tiger cadel is in Adelaide's Dymocks now. Being an adelaide or port adelaide bogan
(joke) supporter is nothing to be proud of either.


see, the trouble we have here, is nobody really is out to cause trouble, but a lot of people think cadel is an ****... a month ago, we all had to sit back and bite our tongues while you celebrated (and to be fair to you, you didnt rub it in, your where not smug or anything else...) but, since that day, we have just been waiting for something to happen that meant we could really take the **** out of you something chronic..

just most of us thought we would have to wait until next july..

nobody here really thought we would get the opportunity so soon... bit like nobody thought cadel would go to BMC...

youve had your month of cadel being the king, now its back to the good old flame wars over cadel that we know and love.. :D

and that is meant as good humoured banter by the way before any of the humourless americans start stressing.. ;)

you gonna change your avatar now? cos its driving me nuts and its only november..
 
i think this could be cadel's last year to really take a shot at the tour. when he comes up short, i think he will turn to cunego's method of aiming for the ardennes classics, world champs, and stage wins in the grand tours...if cadel turned his focus to those races he could be way more successful than chasing after a tour title when contador, schlecklet and co will be around for years to come
 
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i think this could be cadel's last year to really take a shot at the tour. when he comes up short, i think he will turn to cunego's method of aiming for the ardennes classics, world champs, and stage wins in the grand tours...if cadel turned his focus to those races he could be way more successful than chasing after a tour title when contador, schlecklet and co will be around for years to come

i dunno.. astana dont get invited, shack have drug problems and get thrown out, schlecklet breaks his collarbone in duaphine, menchov gets busted for cera in the giro, sky self implode, basso skips the tour, wiggins returns to the track, frank falls off on a descent while wearing yellow, van de velde puts on three stone and devotes himself the hour record, nibali is too tired after the giro, and the french go on a unilateral strike over poor wages...

i reckon hes got a shot..

ooh.. edit: somethings just come to me.. is cadel now officially the "world chumpion"
 
The way i see this whole move to BMC saga is:

Cadel sees the chance to get a team built around him for the Tour de France. I think Evans himself will probably see this as a work in progress with his best shot at the tour being in 2011 or 12 when they will hopefully have a stack of other big names on the team and also the possibility of being a ProTour team.

I think he realizes that this is a way to get himself a 'shack like team' but just not owned by himself. If this is the way he is thinking i hope he realizes that 2010 probably will not amount to that much (they may not even get a tour invite) and he and BMC probably may just want to cash in the Rainbow jersey all of the 2010 season with the thought of coming back with a bigger and stronger 2011 team to have a go at the Tdf when there will most likely be no LA, AC will think he has it in the bag (as by then he will already have 3 tdf, 1 giro and 1 or 2 vueltas) LL will try to lead Retirement shack (with AK) whilst all sponsors are pulling out cos LA retired again, so the field will not be as good and he'll only have to watch out for the young whippersnappers. ie. Gesink, nibali etc.

I guess what i'm saying is Cadel is not just looking at next season but the whole 3 years he is contracted to BMC for and is building around that
 
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dimspace said:
i dunno.. astana dont get invited, shack have drug problems and get thrown out, schlecklet breaks his collarbone in duaphine, menchov gets busted for cera in the giro, sky self implode, basso skips the tour, wiggins returns to the track, frank falls off on a descent while wearing yellow, van de velde puts on three stone and devotes himself the hour record, nibali is too tired after the giro, and the french go on a unilateral strike over poor wages...

i reckon hes got a shot..

ooh.. edit: somethings just come to me.. is cadel now officially the "world chumpion"

so before this year's tour you'd have rated AC, Shlecklet above Cadel...no arguments here, but also Lokvist, LA, Menchov, Basso, Frank, VdV, Wiggins, and Nibali...dubious.
 
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Walshworld said:
What interests me is how fast it happened and how quickly Evans made a decision. I feel like since Mendrisio, Evans is a new man. More aggressive, confident and willing to take his chances and make his own decisions. Those are all good things.
This has been far from a hasty decision, it has been several months in the making. He is happy with the decision and what the future holds.;)
 
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so before this year's tour you'd have rated AC, Shlecklet above Cadel...no arguments here, but also Lokvist, LA, Menchov, Basso, Frank, VdV, Wiggins, and Nibali...dubious.

but im not saying this before this years tour.. its a retrospective opinion... and i beleive they all finished above cadel.. did they not?
 
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dimspace said:
see, the trouble we have here, is nobody really is out to cause trouble, but a lot of people think cadel is an ****... a month ago, we all had to sit back and bite our tongues while you celebrated (and to be fair to you, you didnt rub it in, your where not smug or anything else...) but, since that day, we have just been waiting for something to happen that meant we could really take the **** out of you something chronic..

just most of us thought we would have to wait until next july..

nobody here really thought we would get the opportunity so soon... bit like nobody thought cadel would go to BMC...

youve had your month of cadel being the king, now its back to the good old flame wars over cadel that we know and love.. :D

and that is meant as good humoured banter by the way before any of the humourless americans start stressing.. ;)

you gonna change your avatar now? cos its driving me nuts and its only november..

cos my avatar is annoying you i'll leave it up you whinging pom:D.
 
dimspace said:
but im not saying this before this years tour.. its a retrospective opinion... and i beleive they all finished above cadel.. did they not?

Menchov didn't, and Lovkvist didn't race the Tour.

Personally, I think you might be going overboard, I mean he had a bad tour by his standards, but I think if he races next year to his full capability, he can beat anyone other than AC and AS. Looking at his performance in the Dauphine, I actually thought he could maybe start taking on Contador at the Tour... and then it fell apart. Then at the Vuelta he would have been in the lead had it not been for bonus seconds (and that mean ol' Gesink getting in the way of Cadel's non-sprint), and looked as solid as Valverde... and then he got a puncture and it fell apart.

Hmm, maybe you're right after all... add the rainbow curse to the 'being Cadel' curse, and he might end up second last (because the lanterne rouge would be a bit too prestigious)
 
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Out of these teams, who's spot will BMC take?
AG2R, Astana, Bbox, Caisse, Cofidis, Columbia, Euskaltel, Francaise, Servetto, Lampre, Liquigas, Milram, Quick Step, Rabobank, Saxo Bank, Silence-Lotto, RadioShack, Sky, Garmin, Katusha & Cervelo
 
Does it really matter how good his team is? It's a good move if he's happy with it personally (if it complies with the direction he wants). If he moved to Saxo or TheShack and was their #1, Contador would still beat him. The difference in Lotto/BMC isn't the difference between winning the TdF and not. Good on him for moving team after complaining about it for 3 years, even if it was for money.

No excuses in 2010, you're just not good enough.

BMC/Cadel must have a verbal agreement to ride the TdF, I think it's not if, but who they replace.