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Cadel's destintation...

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Where will Cadel be in 2010?

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Given bmc's composition they might go stage hunting at any of the gts. Columbia has shown that that is a rather viable approach... Cadel could thus focus on the classics, and the tough mountain stages in the giro or tdf. Who knows, perhaps he has decided that his days as gc contender are over?
 
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Lets wait till more BMC signings are announced...it only takes one;)

I don't think they'll bother with a team for the giro.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
He choose to be at BMC and even Vaughters said he would of been intersted to pick him up.

If I understand correctly - and my understanding of the situation comes purely from having read this thread - Garmin would have to have offered him more money than he currently earned at SL to fulfill that clever clause in his contract. In that case he wasn't free to go anywhere he wanted, it was basically BMC or Lotto. And if in doubt, always follow the dollar signs, right? Nothing inherently wrong with that...
 
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dimspace said:
so we find out the real cadel after all.. got a win finally, and now content to take the money and go back to achieving nothing again...

frankly i am wetting myself in the hilarity of all of this.. and i will wet myself even more if they dont get a tour de france invite...

the cadel circus just rolls on and on...


on side effect of this though.. what does it mean for the pro tour.. cervelo are surviving without it, and then the reigning uci world champion moves to a non pro tour team.. is the end nigh?

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Looks like Cadel (=Rominger) has made a mistake to me; he's gone back to a glorified Silence Lotto type of team with classics riders. Just can't see how BMC is a step up from Silence besides a bigger budget, say.

Maybe he prefers the money to the GT win (any maybe this makes sense for someone nearing the end of their career: it's his future). OR, maybe he knows that Lelangue with Phonak had quite the "medical" connections and understanding--informally, of course--which may help him with GT ambitions.

How are Ballan, Hincapie, Kroon, and Burghardt going to help him in the mountains? LOL, maybe they will help him race against Gilbert in the spring instead. Maybe this is the real race :D

He needs a team with people who can TT and some mountain goats who can climb. Garmin had them both. Even Sky would have been better than BMC.
 
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Bala Verde said:
Given bmc's composition they might go stage hunting at any of the gts. Columbia has shown that that is a rather viable approach... Cadel could thus focus on the classics, and the tough mountain stages in the giro or tdf. Who knows, perhaps he has decided that his days as gc contender are over?

In many recent interviews, he has said his target is for the tour and that he feels he can still ride and contend for the tour for 3 years. He says he wants the tour victory so bad. He's not giving up until he gets that prize.
 
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dimspace said:
on side effect of this though.. what does it mean for the pro tour.. cervelo are surviving without it, and then the reigning uci world champion moves to a non pro tour team.. is the end nigh?

The protour was too ambitious, few teams could cater to making world class classics teams and GT teams...and maybe therein lies the solution, a GT protour and a classics protour.
 
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i just went on the bmc site and it takes 10 minutes to load. S/L site takes two seconds to load. He's going to a **** hole:eek:
 
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Garmin have a strong Tour team, no doubt, but the budget? I think Vaughters was being nice. Interested? sure, would he have found or even looked for the money? no way, unless wiggins goes and they can't get Contador.
Sky maybe, Lokvist is definitely useful up a hill.
Lloyd...please, when did we see Cadel lose contact and Lloyd pace him back in. I concede noone at BMC can currently do this either.
 
karlboss said:
Lets wait till more BMC signings are announced...it only takes one;)

I don't think they'll bother with a team for the giro.

What a difference a name makes. Now, they can afford to get picky.
Unless the French decide to be.....well.......French.

Ballan, Hincapie, Kroon, and Burghardt.
All classics riders, who are now going to have to climb every mountain.
Hope BMC haven't run out of blank cheques, as it has to be several signings.
 
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In many recent interviews, he has said his target is for the tour and that he feels he can still ride and contend for the tour for 3 years. He says he wants the tour victory so bad. He's not giving up until he gets that prize.

so at just what age do you expect him to retire then... 83?
 
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dimspace said:
so at just what age do you expect him to retire then... 83?

probs:D... a statement off his website

Yes, it is true... BMC! I have chosen to ride with the BMC Racing Team for 2010 and beyond. A small but growing team of experienced staff and riders that I see has a lot of potential, and a mentality that fits nicely with my own, both on a sporting, technical and social level. I look forward to working with a new team, in a new environment, towards my same goals; honouring the Rainbow jersey at the highest level of the sport, and ultimately at the highest step of the Tour de France podium.

I would like to thank the Silence-Lotto team for the opportunities they have given me. The last five years have brought some great experiences whilst working alongside some great individuals. Thank you.

Their must be some more riders already or being signed their. i think the pro conti team means less stress possibly. He said BMC fits well with his mentality and social level. I think that's to do with the more english speaking riders there. He definetly wants to win the tour and to be riding for his same goals ultimately means he'll be at the tour and doesn't want to bother about the giro.

hey, i'm trying to find the positives but struggling.
 
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I thought that as a fanboy, you are supposed to give totally biased unconditional support for your superhero in the face of glaring anomolies in their decisions and actions?

As a cycling tragic, I would of course love to see Cadel win the TDF, even one grand tour, but I don't see it. He is past it in a lot of people's minds (maybe even in his own if he was to be truthful). I don't think that BMC is the team to do it for him, but I have been wrong in the past.

I thought that staying with Silence would have been a better idea, he is now deemed capable of winning big races, and this may have bunny-hopped him over VDB for team support in the TDF.
 
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easytiger said:
I thought that as a fanboy, you are supposed to give totally biased unconditional support for your superhero in the face of glaring anomolies in their decisions and actions?

As a cycling tragic, I would of course love to see Cadel win the TDF, even one grand tour, but I don't see it. He is past it in a lot of people's minds (maybe even in his own if he was to be truthful). I don't think that BMC is the team to do it for him, but I have been wrong in the past.

I thought that staying with Silence would have been a better idea, he is now deemed capable of winning big races, and this may have bunny-hopped him over VDB for team support in the TDF.

it did and S/L even said so.
 
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Bala Verde said:
Given bmc's composition they might go stage hunting at any of the gts. Columbia has shown that that is a rather viable approach... Cadel could thus focus on the classics, and the tough mountain stages in the giro or tdf. Who knows, perhaps he has decided that his days as gc contender are over?

I know aussiecyclcefan94 answered this but Evans has been rather vocal since he landed here in Australia the other day. Hitting the tv shows and radio stations, a book launch. Of course all for the fans, along with dangling the idea of racing the TDU. Oh and I forgot, winning the TdF. Something about "never be satisfied till I win." Cadel had better learn to like that feeling. Neither will happen.

Maybe Contador is secretly joining the squad too. No, its about the money. But I think you may be correct, Cadel doesn't really believe he can win on a subconscious level, he just says so to milk the aussie cycling community for support and most willingly oblige. But who here thought he would win? AC and AS are on most people's lips on this forum. Cadel can hope for third, maybe second if one of the others has a mishap. Even on the Shack he'd still be beaten by AS and AC. He may as well move to a team he's happy at and count his cash with old George. Just hope he doesn't expect all aussies to buy his BS story and motives.
 
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you are not suggesting cadel is just trying to sell his book are you...

i actually think alot of what you have just said is very accurate.. maybe we are seeing the real cadel, the also ran who kept the australian public beleiving he was truly great and was just unlucky, a wrong turn here, a mechanical there, bad day here, puncture there, maybe he really is just a chancer who knows he isnt good enough, got the one win he needed and now has the payday..

then again.. maybe not...

we will know if hes made the right decision this time next year i guess... to be honest, if he is serious about retaining the world title in australia maybe he should forget the tours and spend his season practicing 1 day races..
 
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Evans shows he is his own man.

On purely sporting grounds, winning the Tour de France, BMC would not seem to be the best choice. They will certainly get the invite with that roster.

What interests me is how fast it happened and how quickly Evans made a decision. I feel like since Mendrisio, Evans is a new man. More aggressive, confident and willing to take his chances and make his own decisions. Those are all good things.

We'll just have to see how it pans out and what climbers that add to BMC, if any. The money argument is not a strong one for me: Evans has plenty of money at this point in his career. This is when to take your last shot at Tour glory and money is down the list.

And that said, BMC is a bold move and I'd agree the Cervelo model is not a bad analogy. Hey, good for Evans. It wasn't going to get better at Silence-Lotto. The real clue will be what happens at BMC now -- will they build a full team for Evans and how hard will he push for it?

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luckyboy said:
There is no way that, whatever team he were to choose, Evans will win the Tour (that is, unless both AC and Andy didn't finish). He missed his best chance in 07.

you mean 08
 
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dimspace said:
you are not suggesting cadel is just trying to sell his book are you...

i actually think alot of what you have just said is very accurate.. maybe we are seeing the real cadel, the also ran who kept the australian public beleiving he was truly great and was just unlucky, a wrong turn here, a mechanical there, bad day here, puncture there, maybe he really is just a chancer who knows he isnt good enough, got the one win he needed and now has the payday..

then again.. maybe not...

we will know if hes made the right decision this time next year i guess... to be honest, if he is serious about retaining the world title in australia maybe he should forget the tours and spend his season practicing 1 day races..

I wouldn't say what I wrote is all truth. In terms of percentages it is heard to put a figure on but there is an element of truth in what I suggested. Cadel is a quality rider, but he isn't hands down the best. He has flaws, some of them social which have hurt his ambitions. I gave up on him after 2008's Tour and woke up and smelt the roses. They weren't exactly what he was saying they were. Cadel gets away with many things other aussie sportspeople could not without loosing fans, simply because he is no.1 in aussie cycling. Much of what he says feeds of this and people forget to critique and question.. If you could put Rogers personality with Cadels talent a lot more people would appreciate him.

You are right, we should wait till next year and see what happens, but I hope next September Haussler is riding in aussie colours. Only he can win for Australia on the Geelong track. It will be extremely hard for Cadel to win. Renshaw and Hansen would almost be better bets.

You may have heard us aussies call Brits/Poms whingers. We don't admit it collectively but I will. We are just as bad. Cadel is a master and if his recent claims are serious I suspect we'll hear a lot of moaning come July. Get some earplugs ready.
 
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Evans isn't planning on winning in geelong, just showing up, his new attacking style isn't going to help him outsprint...well...anyone. Not a pure sprinters course but not far off it.
As far as winning the Tour goes, I don't rule him out, he was confident after the prologue and Dauphine, but then desperate after the TTT. After last year its hard not to see AC win again and again, though AS will be stronger again this year. This year there was daylight to anyone else. Hard to see that being made up in one year by anyone else. If I were to pick next most likely...I'd honestly say Evans.
Again I say you don't need a roster of mountain men, Evans said this in 2007, when the team included mcewen. At the time he wanted 2-3. I'd like to see lloyd follow and wegelius, but they still miss that one other contender to tag team with or super domestique climber.
 
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dimspace said:
you are not suggesting cadel is just trying to sell his book are you...

i actually think alot of what you have just said is very accurate.. maybe we are seeing the real cadel, the also ran who kept the australian public beleiving he was truly great and was just unlucky, a wrong turn here, a mechanical there, bad day here, puncture there, maybe he really is just a chancer who knows he isnt good enough, got the one win he needed and now has the payday..

then again.. maybe not...

we will know if hes made the right decision this time next year i guess... to be honest, if he is serious about retaining the world title in australia maybe he should forget the tours and spend his season practicing 1 day races..

I don't think anyone is under illusions that he isn't trying to flog his book. The timing of it is the interesting thing. Was he always going to write it, predicated on releasing it after he won the Tour, but when he went crap, and then won the WC, and thought that something like that might not happen again he decided to publish?
 
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Mellow Velo said:
I see folks are already making the assumption that Evans's name guarrantees a Tour spot. It doesn't.
Last week the debate, on here, was as to whether they'd receive a wildcard to any of the GTs.

I think they may have to make do with the Giro.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Evans content to contest the Giro next year. The Tour will be tough to win. In Italy he'd be well received. A Giro win probably means more to Evans than 3-5 at the Tour.
 
issoisso said:
Evans or no Evans. Ballan, Burghardt, Hincapie. They're in. I'm sure of it.

And this is not partiality. I don't like Phonak for what they represent.

Hincapie has stated he no longer plans on riding the Tour. Ballan is the "former" world champion, which doesn't carry the same drawing power as it would if this had occurred earlier. Plus he's indicated his plans on taking part in the Giro for the first time, which may negate his Tour participation, especially after his likely gruelling classics campaign. Burghardt is not necessarily a major drawing card. Plus isn't their current director, Lelange, the same director during the years of Santiago Perez, Landis, Camenzind, Gutierrez, Perdiguerro, of course Hamilton and others?