Cancellara Thread

[del1962]

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Looks like he'll put a rest to Cancellara v Boonen this year. All he needs is a monument.

Sagan and others are his biggest competitors this year, not Boonen

 

[blackmamba]

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Looks like he'll put a rest to Cancellara v Boonen this year. All he needs is a monument.

Yeah everyone who can count knows who wins that Boonen v Cancellara so that debate is to rest for sure, Cancellera is awesome tho but Boonen WAS next lvl hardcore.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Looks like he'll put a rest to Cancellara v Boonen this year. All he needs is a monument.

Sagan and others are his biggest competitors this year, not Boonen

No he meant put a rest to the Canc v Boonen palmares

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Paris Roubaix left - I still think Fabian has a better chance than Sagan on this one given his experience in the race. It will be interested to see how his team perform there and if Fabian can get the tactics right in a race that is more tactically complicated to win.

 

[SeriousSam]

Not ideal tactics from Cancellara today, but Sagan was very strong. Hard to say whether he would have won, had he decided to go with Sagan right away. I'm leaning towards yes.

PR his last chance now, I hope he can do it.

 

[blackmamba]

Sagan was the strongest rider without a doubt today! Cancellera couldnt even bring in 15 on the flat on him so he definitely wouldnt be able on the climbs!

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Paris Roubaix left - I still think Fabian has a better chance than Sagan on this one given his experience in the race.

Both are equal in terms of team support, i.e. virtually none at all.

 

[AlexNYC]

I thought he'd be able to bring back Sagan today. That move looked a bit premature when it happened, but it was his main rival... He will think about this one for a while...

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Sagan was the strongest rider without a doubt today! Cancellera couldnt even bring in 15 on the flat on him so he definitely wouldnt be able on the climbs!

I agree Sagan was probably the strongest, but if Fabian had gone with him, Kwiat and Vanmarcke to begin with, then it is very likely that it would be Fabian vs Sagan in a sprint. Ofcourse even then, the odds would favour Sagan, but the potential of a different outcome would be bigger.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Sagan was the strongest rider without a doubt today! Cancellera couldnt even bring in 15 on the flat on him so he definitely wouldnt be able on the climbs!

Where do you think Cancellara would have been if you put him in there with Sagan and Vanmarcke in the last Kwaremont-Patersberg shootout?

You honestly think Sagan would have dropped Cancellara there, like Cancellara dropped Sagan in 2013? I don't see it.

Canc would have dropped Sagan or it would have been the two of them with highly uncertain outcome.

 

[Gigs_98]

Just crazy to realize that next sunday will be the last ever cobbles race with cancellara. I just hope he will crush everyone

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Sagan was the strongest rider without a doubt today! Cancellera couldnt even bring in 15 on the flat on him so he definitely wouldnt be able on the climbs!

Where do you think Cancellara would have been if you put him in there with Sagan and Vanmarcke in the last Kwaremont-Patersberg shootout?

You honestly think Sagan would have dropped Cancellara there, like Cancellara dropped Sagan in 2013? I don't see it.

Nobody is suggesting that Sagan would drop Cancellara. That is just crazy talk. It's the opposite scenario that blackmamba dismisses, the way I read it

 

[cineteq]

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I thought he'd be able to bring back Sagan today. That move looked a bit premature when it happened, but it was his main rival... He will think about this one for a while...

In hindsight, it looked like the wrong decision. Then, he found himself with no strong riders to close the gap. Only Cancellara knew what he had in the tank, I don't think it was a bad decision, at the moment, by watching the video:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/sporza/?title=32+km+to+go:+Kwaitkowski+attacks+joined+by+Sagan,+Vanmarcke&dashboard=tour-of-flanders&id=1.2619094&yr=2016

 

[Brullnux]

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Paris Roubaix left - I still think Fabian has a better chance than Sagan on this one given his experience in the race.

Both are equal in terms of team support, i.e. virtually none at all.

I disagree, Devolder was pushing like a crazy man for 10km until before the Kwaremont, OK a couple of km. Ofc, it is not SKY or Etixx, but it is a pretty good team.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Paris Roubaix left - I still think Fabian has a better chance than Sagan on this one given his experience in the race.

Both are equal in terms of team support, i.e. virtually none at all.

I disagree, Devolder was pushing like a crazy man for 10km until before the Kwaremont, OK a couple of km. Ofc, it is not SKY or Etixx, but it is a pretty good team.

I agree that the team today was alright, but could have been better. Still, even Devolder has never really performed in Paris Roubaix, which is not a good sign.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Sagan vs. Cancellara was more a thing in the last five years than Boonen vs. Cancellara was in their entire career.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Just crazy to realize that next sunday will be the last ever cobbles race with cancellara. I just hope he will crush everyone

I was hoping that he'd find it within himself to give it one final crack at the RVV record, and that he'd feel like he had unfinished business... but then he waved goodbye at the end

 

[AlexNYC]

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I thought he'd be able to bring back Sagan today. That move looked a bit premature when it happened, but it was his main rival... He will think about this one for a while...

In hindsight, it looked like the wrong decision. Then, he found himself with no strong riders to close the gap. Only Cancellara knew what he had in the tank, I don't think it was a bad decision, at the moment, by watching the video:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/sporza/?title=32+km+to+go:+Kwaitkowski+attacks+joined+by+Sagan,+Vanmarcke&dashboard=tour-of-flanders&id=1.2619094&yr=2016

Hmm. Was that Devolder telling Cancellara to not go for it?

 

[sir fly]

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I thought he'd be able to bring back Sagan today. That move looked a bit premature when it happened, but it was his main rival... He will think about this one for a while...

In hindsight, it looked like the wrong decision. Then, he found himself with no strong riders to close the gap. Only Cancellara knew what he had in the tank, I don't think it was a bad decision, at the moment, by watching the video:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/sporza/?title=32+km+to+go:+Kwaitkowski+attacks+joined+by+Sagan,+Vanmarcke&dashboard=tour-of-flanders&id=1.2619094&yr=2016

Hmm. Was that Devolder telling Cancellara to not go for it?

With Kwia and Sagan, or with Vanmarcke?

 

[Billie]

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I thought he'd be able to bring back Sagan today. That move looked a bit premature when it happened, but it was his main rival... He will think about this one for a while...

In hindsight, it looked like the wrong decision. Then, he found himself with no strong riders to close the gap. Only Cancellara knew what he had in the tank, I don't think it was a bad decision, at the moment, by watching the video:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/sporza/?title=32+km+to+go:+Kwaitkowski+attacks+joined+by+Sagan,+Vanmarcke&dashboard=tour-of-flanders&id=1.2619094&yr=2016

Hmm. Was that Devolder telling Cancellara to not go for it?

the exact opposite actually. It was Devolder telling Cance he's not strong enough and that he should go himself even offering a sling.

 

[AlexNYC]

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I thought he'd be able to bring back Sagan today. That move looked a bit premature when it happened, but it was his main rival... He will think about this one for a while...

In hindsight, it looked like the wrong decision. Then, he found himself with no strong riders to close the gap. Only Cancellara knew what he had in the tank, I don't think it was a bad decision, at the moment, by watching the video:

http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/sporza/?title=32+km+to+go:+Kwaitkowski+attacks+joined+by+Sagan,+Vanmarcke&dashboard=tour-of-flanders&id=1.2619094&yr=2016

Hmm. Was that Devolder telling Cancellara to not go for it?

the exact opposite actually. It was Devolder telling Cance he's not strong enough and that he should go himself even offering a sling.

I see. It'd be interesting to hear Cancellara confirm why he didn't go for it; though from the looks of it, he probably decided he was better off saving energy to make a push at the Kwaremont.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/04/news/didnt-cancellara-follow_400855

 

[VanBsr]

It's a shame that Cancellara didn't go with Sagan because they were pretty equal after that and maybe if they both started Kwaremont in the same position would have been a great battle. I think that Cancellara was focused on initial plan of attacking on Kwaremont and he had to much pressure on him to think clear. Also I don't think he was at full capacity maybe because of the lack of sleep. After Kwaremont Terpstra group caught him which is not normal and also it looks that he wasn't capable of going full gas on the kwaremont and pateberg from the start to the finish of the climbs like he usually do.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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It's a shame that Cancellara didn't go with Sagan because they were pretty equal after that and maybe if they both started Kwaremont in the same position would have been a great battle. I think that Cancellara was focused on initial plan of attacking on Kwaremont and he had to much pressure on him to think clear. Also I don't think he was at full capacity maybe because of the lack of sleep. After Kwaremont Terpstra group caught him which is not normal and also it looks that he wasn't capable of going full gas on the kwaremont and pateberg from the start to the finish of the climbs like he usually do.

He went pretty well on Paterberg actually. He started Kwaremont with a ½minute deficit to the Sagan group, and wasn't able to quite close it. Had it been 15-20 seconds, it looks like he would have caught up with Sagan/VM, judging from the TV pictures. There's no denying that he probably wasn't quite up to his best 2013 shape today, but it was a spectacular performance once again

 

[mr. tibbs]

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He went pretty well on Paterberg actually. He started Kwaremont with a ½minute deficit to the Sagan group, and wasn't able to quite close it. Had it been 15-20 seconds, it looks like he would have caught up with Sagan/VM, judging from the TV pictures. There's no denying that he probably wasn't quite up to his best 2013 shape today, but it was a spectacular performance once again

He was defeated by his own tactics today. (Again.) But without the Kwaremont and the Paterberg to shatter the pursuit, I don't think Sagan would have held him off. Surely Cancellara is the favorite for next Sunday, but I think Kristoff will be his biggest threat, not Sagan.