Carlos Betancur discussion thread

[Pippo_San]

are you serious? look at his calf,his weight is around 75kg imo

we don't want want him to smash the competition by minutes so I think it's about damn right

 

[Escarabajo]

he doesn't look that fat. i think he's ready for a vuelta podium rather

He looks very fat. But photos can be deceiving.

 

[staubsauger]

He could've been or even would've been the new Colombian gt winner right before Quintana at last years Vuelta. Hopefully he realizes now that he really ****ed up this one.

 

[Pentacycle]

He could've been or even would've been the new Colombian gt winner right before Quintana at last years Vuelta. Hopefully he realizes now that he really ****ed up this one.

No way he'd have beaten Nibs or Horner last year. Next edition could be a better opportunity though.

 

[Angliru]

I don't think the sport has really changed the way you say. I believe those "characters" are just as tolerated now as they were back then. At any rate, Andy's still getting a ride, 3 years after he last did anything of note on the road, and until this year Cobo always had a (relatively) top team to ride for.

Andy was/is under contract until the end of 2013, his team is obligated to honor the contract unless there is something written into it (performance wise) that he hasn't/hadn't lived up to. We'll see where he lands in 2014. I imagine there are teams that would be willing to take a chance on him just for having him in their kit and the camera time that he will get, of course at a drastically reduced contract high in performance bonuses/incentives. Once Cobo's contract was up he was gone from the Pro Tour level. Rider's like Schumacher and Rassmussen were deemed more trouble than they're worth and were relegated to Continental and Pro Continental level. Rebellin hasn't been back to Pro Tour level teams either.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Betancur's manager and Ag2R agree cancellation of the last two years of his contract, but he is returning to Europe for Lombardia, Burgos, and stage hunting in the Vuelta, for Ag2R, and for the world champs.

 

[ILovecycling]

Betancur's manager and Ag2R agree cancellation of the last two years of his contract, but he is returning to Europe for Lombardia, Burgos, and stage hunting in the Vuelta, for Ag2R, and for the world champs.

source please

 

[hrotha]

Well, it's either stage hunting, or riding in the grupetto with no goal in sight. His agent said he wasn't going to do the GC.

Andy was/is under contract until the end of 2013, his team is obligated to honor the contract unless there is something written into it (performance wise) that he hasn't/hadn't lived up to. We'll see where he lands in 2014. I imagine there are teams that would be willing to take a chance on him just for having him in their kit and the camera time that he will get, of course at a drastically reduced contract high in performance bonuses/incentives. Once Cobo's contract was up he was gone from the Pro Tour level. Rider's like Schumacher and Rassmussen were deemed more trouble than they're worth and were relegated to Continental and Pro Continental level. Rebellin hasn't been back to Pro Tour level teams either.

Cobo got back to Movistar after his Vuelta win and also after his legendary 2010 season. I'll kinda give you Andy, sorta, if what you say about his contract is accurate (I have no idea).

But the likes of Rebellin and Schumacher have nothing to do with what we're discussing. Rebellin in particular has always been regarded as an insanely professional guy, which is the exact opposite of what we're talking about.

 

[Escarabajo]

source please

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/transfers-betancur-to-leave-ag2r-at-the-end-of-the-season

 

[Angliru]

Well, it's either stage hunting, or riding in the grupetto with no goal in sight. His agent said he wasn't going to do the GC.

Cobo got back to Movistar after his Vuelta win and also after his legendary 2010 season. I'll kinda give you Andy, sorta, if what you say about his contract is accurate (I have no idea).

But the likes of Rebellin and Schumacher have nothing to do with what we're discussing. Rebellin in particular has always been regarded as an insanely professional guy, which is the exact opposite of what we're talking about.

I thought the discussion involved teams weighing the plus/minus of taking on riders with risky issues, be they personality quirks, heavy baggage (doping past), questionable dedication etc... My bad if I misinterpreted the discussion.

 

[hfer07]

just checked the official Vuelta's Start list & Carlos appears as "replacement"....

oh dear

 

[inthepink]

is it true he is going to OPQS & Uran next season

 

[Afrank]

is it true he is going to OPQS & Uran next season

He'll probably leave, don't think there's anything concrete about who he'll sign for.
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I really hope he can get his head straight and get back to his best. Became a fan of his after 2013 Giro. Such a waste it would be to see him not make good on his talent.

 

[Piti4Podiums]

He'll probably leave, don't think there's anything concrete about who he'll sign for.

He will definetely leave, the thing about his new team is that - according to his agent - Carlos will go for good results the remainder of this season in order to get offered better contracts.

Surprise surprise, no immediate decision, let's just see what he can do.

 

[inthepink]

Gazetta are saying to Uran (OPQS)

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/06-...-boasson-hagen-sagan-mercato-9061390135.shtml

 

[Escarabajo]

Gazetta are saying to Uran (OPQS)

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/06-...-boasson-hagen-sagan-mercato-9061390135.shtml

So they want to focus in the Classics with Betancur while Uran becomes a GC for the GT's.

In that case he can remain more or less fat!

 

[hfer07]

Gazetta are saying to Uran (OPQS)

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/06-...-boasson-hagen-sagan-mercato-9061390135.shtml

Lucky *******

 

[ILovecycling]

Gazetta are saying to Uran (OPQS)

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/06-...-boasson-hagen-sagan-mercato-9061390135.shtml

Holy .... that would be a hell for bananito

But probably a good decesion,it would help him in his career,a lot.I hope they will abandon Kwiat4GTwin bandwagon and leave Rigo and Carlos lead GT's.
Of course there is a problem with ardennes.

 

[tristecsinamigos]

Read what ryo said two posts up...
I dont know where do u live,but if you arent from latin america or at least meditareanean you probably dont understand it.
Those people just dont give fvcking monkeys about money,work and careers.They just wanna enjoy life in their beloved country with family and friends,thats all.

that's just a silly stereotype.

any individual from these countries (Mediterranean and LatAm) works way more hours/year than Northen European people. Even foreign people visiting Bogotá has noticed how hard people work here: http://bananaskinflipflops.com/2013/05/30/lazy-latinos-not-if-theyre-running-on-three-hours-sleep/

Didn't know that bears were that popular in Colombia.

they are because endangered species :-DD

they also are the image for the National Parks System.

Yep, those Colombians sure love their donkeys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw

it is actually something inland Colombians use to troll the Colombians from the Caribbean coast ("Costeños").

of course Vice (as with most of its documentaries) depicted it with a lot of sensationalism, exaggerating it and making it see as something more common than what it actually is (something that is almost gone, or narrowed to a few rural areas in the region).

 

[gospina]

As a Colombian, I have to defend this practice. I mean, you haven't even seen the donkeys. They are REALLY good looking. I understand why Betancur wastes all his money

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

As a Colombian, I have to defend this practice. I mean, you haven't even seen the donkeys. They are REALLY good looking. I understand why Betancur wastes all his money

Well I didn't know you could waste your money on donkeys in Colombia, but now I know.
http://colombiareports.co/donkey-brothel-fares-well/

Hey man, I'm from a pretty liberal country, but even the Netherlands has outlawed this ****.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

it is actually something inland Colombians use to troll the Colombians from the Caribbean coast ("Costeños").

of course Vice (as with most of its documentaries) depicted it with a lot of sensationalism, exaggerating it and making it see as something more common than what it actually is (something that is almost gone, or narrowed to a few rural areas in the region).

Thanks for restoring a little bit of my lost appreciation for the non Caribean coast part of Colombia. Because indeed the internet in general seems to suggest it's rather widespread

 

[Netserk]

Well I didn't know you could waste your money on donkeys in Colombia, but now I know.
http://colombiareports.co/donkey-brothel-fares-well/

Hey man, I'm from a pretty liberal country, but even the Netherlands has outlawed this ****.

Denmark hasn't, as long as the animal doesn't suffer

 

[Arnout]

Thanks for restoring a little bit of my lost appreciation for the non Caribean coast part of Colombia. Because indeed the internet in general seems to suggest it's rather widespread

If it's covered by Vice you can be assured that it's barely true. I used to like them (and still do in the way they cover current events, to an extent), but their docs are beyond sensationalistic.

 

[tristecsinamigos]

Well I didn't know you could waste your money on donkeys in Colombia, but now I know.
http://colombiareports.co/donkey-brothel-fares-well/

Hey man, I'm from a pretty liberal country, but even the Netherlands has outlawed this ****.

most likely a hoax. Who is gonna pay for a donkey when you have one at your farm or you just could borrow one from your neighbour's (saying that you need it to carry wood or whatever)? Why would you pay for a donkey in the first place? Prostitution is legal in Colombia and pretty common.

According to the brothers, among their best clients are the former mayor of Soledad, a former council member of Súan and a former congressman for the Conservative Party.

lol. A congressman pension is like 10.000 USD. That says all.