Cav disqualified!

[blackcat]

Hushovd's interview from yesterday (about Velits):

"I had a sprint, but I was really tired in the end and when I saw he passed me I got a little upset but, nothing wrong, he did a normal sprint, it's normal and I talked with him after and it's no problem"

Seemingly Hushovd apologized for getting (unreasonably) upset.

Cav, on the other hand, doesn't even acknowledge his competitors in interviews, or that he's competing for the green jersey.

thanks Cervelo Fan

ta

 

[blackcat]

What bothers me about this point of view is everyone on this site is complaining about the lack of GC action, All the favourites instead of taking the initiative are biding their time. They would rather lose by not doing anything than by getting beat trying something that someone is gonna criticisize them for.

AND then people DEFEND the same behaviour when it comes to sprinting!!!
Why should anyone other than Columbia chase? CAV is faster than we are so why bother?
It is sound strategy for sprinting but somehow all wrong for someone like Evans???
If you never try you never win. Sprinting or GC.

its mainly the parcours, that are causing the lack of animating the action.

 

[runninboy]

its mainly the parcours, that are causing the lack of animating the action.

I was always told that the racers make the race, easy to blame the route, thats just making excuses.
A good carpenter never blames his tools

 

[Blakeslee]

I don't think that Cavendish should have been relegated. In watching the video you can see Cavendish is looking over his left shoulder and then quickly looks back over his right shoulder and spots Thor coming up the barriers. Cavendish immediately put on a burst of speed to try to prevent Thor for passing him, it seemed the force of the acceleration carried Cavendish slightly to the right more than it being a deliberate attempt to block Thor. Ultimately it was the jog in the barriers that blocked Thor, without the jog Thor would have had enough room to pass on along the barriers if he had the speed to do it.

Somewhat disappointing to see the Green Jersey likely decided by the relegation. Cavendish and Thor had a nice back and forth battle going for the Green, would have been interesting to see it play out during the final stages.

I still feel sad for Thor for his crash in Rubaix earlier this year. He was in a great position to beat Boonen, it was unfortunate to see him lose it due to the crash.

 

[runninboy]

its mainly the parcours, that are causing the lack of animating the action.

And if you truly believe it is so why?
we can't attack now it is not steep enough to make a selection?
there is too much downhill after the final climb so chances are we will be caught?
We should save our efforts until the harder stages?
that sounds like negative racing trying to avoid losing instead of winning


at the same time VDV when he was interviewed said that they were at the max, they couldn't go any harder if someone would have picked it up 2kmh it would have blown the race apart.

So the opportunity was there but no one took it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

What a load of crap. Does anyone think that if the situation was reversed that Cav would not be running his yap at full blast, complaining to anyone who would listen and a lot who would not. Big Mouth got what he had coming to him. His fans should man up and take it on the chin.

I can't believe I hear myself saying this but yeah I agree 100%. Besides Cav rode all over the park in the last 200M. It was obvious that he was trying to take as long as posible to get to the line first and he paid for it. He is not that good that he can get away with that crap yet.

 

[Trond Vidar]

Thor to Norwegian media:

"-The relegation is logical. I can live with the fact that he is faster than me, but what he did today is not normal, Hushovd says."

http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/07/18/sport/sykkel/tour_de_france/thor_hushovd/mark_cavendish/7258573/

 

[auscyclefan94]

I don't think that Cavendish should have been relegated. In watching the video you can see Cavendish is looking over his left shoulder and then quickly looks back over his right shoulder and spots Thor coming up the barriers. Cavendish immediately put on a burst of speed to try to prevent Thor for passing him, it seemed the force of the acceleration carried Cavendish slightly to the right more than it being a deliberate attempt to block Thor. Ultimately it was the jog in the barriers that blocked Thor, without the jog Thor would have had enough room to pass on along the barriers if he had the speed to do it.

Somewhat disappointing to see the Green Jersey likely decided by the relegation. Cavendish and Thor had a nice back and forth battle going for the Green, would have been interesting to see it play out during the final stages.

I still feel sad for Thor for his crash in Rubaix earlier this year. He was in a great position to beat Boonen, it was unfortunate to see him lose it due to the crash.

Even if it wasn't Cavendish's intention to move across to the barrier the fact is he still did and blocked Thor's path to sprint by not keeping his line. Cav can't win green now with the only sprint stage left is Paris. He has an 18 point buffer now to bridge in 1 stage unless Cav goes in breakaways (which he won't get any points in as they are mountain stages so he won't be able to keep up).

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Cav to pull put tonight!!
Was my prediction in the other thread at the start of the tour too

 

[Franklin]

What we all forget is that for us the barrier comes up all of a sudden. But the sprinters saw it coming for sure.

Thor got boxed in by three Columbias and funneled to the right. This surely was intentionally. However Cav must have see the barrier coming, must have known where Thor was.

Thats a relegation for sure. This could have ended with Thor in the barriers with 65 kmph, without Thor having much chance to defend himself.

On the moral matter: Cav wants "respect", but pushes other sprinters around quite easily. I saw his train be very loose with their hands. Remember the Rooijakkers incident where Cav is being untruthful and then acts arrogant as hell when Rooijakkers tries to talk it over?

But no, Thor is the bad guy here... seriously guys... it's hypocritical.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

What we all forget is that for us the barrier comes up all of a sudden. But the sprinters saw it coming for sure.

Thor got boxed in by three Columbias and funneled to the right. This surely was intentionally. However Cav must have see the barrier coming, must have known where Thor was.

Thats a relegation for sure. This could have ended with Thor in the barriers with 65 kmph, without Thor having much chance to defend himself.

On the moral matter: Cav wants "respect", but pushes other sprinters around quite easily. I saw his train be very loose with their hands. Remember the Rooijakkers incident where Cav is being untruthful and then acts arrogant as hell when Rooijakkers tries to talk it over?

But no, Thor is the bad guy here... seriously guys... it's hypocritical.

agreed.
I find cav to be one the most obnoxious and loud mouthed pr*cks in the sport

 

[auscyclefan94]

Even before when Mark 'Can dish it up' Cavendish boxed Thor into the barrier there was some argy bargy between them and some bumping by Cav which was a bit McEwen esque in 05.

 

[the_kman]

dont mess with the god of thunder and u wont get relagated. go thor!!!

 

[frameforum]

cavs a punk and does not show much honor or sportsmanship in his words or actions no shock to me he needs to grow into his shoes a bit and behave like a man.

Can you give specific examples?

 

[Anonymous]

I'm curious where all the people who said Theo Bos shouldn't have been punished for tossing Darryl Impey are, and what they think of this. If you'll recall, in the most negligent riding I have ever seen in my life.

Three months later and Impey is still recovering from his injuries, still trying to manage his pain, and just now back on the bike riding.

had his first race back yesterday...a seventh place finish

still think bos shouldhave been banned until impey was fit again

 

[frameforum]

" I had a clear shot at goal, so I took it. But then I noticed the goalkeeper was stopping the ball from hitting the back of the net. I should get the goal. The keeper got in the way of the ball and stopped me from scoring. "

So; is that a likely scenario, a justified grievance - or a ridiculous stance to take?

Hushovd decided to take the line, 150m out.
He's the one trying to come up the inside of the barriers.
He thought HIS decision would work.
It didn't.
But Cavendish is penalized for not making making allowances for Hushovd's errors of judgement.
It's a race.
The road is not marked out in lanes for each rider to keep to.
Make the wrong decision, take the wrong line, and you lose.

Unless you're Hushovd and more popular with the judges.

 

[auscyclefan94]

" I had a clear shot at goal, so I took it. But then I noticed the goalkeeper was stopping the ball from hitting the back of the net. I should get the goal. The keeper got in the way of the ball and stopped me from scoring. "

So; is that a likely scenario, a justified grievance - or a ridiculous stance to take?

Hushovd decided to take the line, 150m out.
He's the one trying to come up the inside of the barriers.
He thought HIS decision would work.
It didn't.
But Cavendish is penalized for not making making allowances for Hushovd's errors of judgement.
It's a race.
The road is not marked out in lanes for each rider to keep to.
Make the wrong decision, take the wrong line, and you lose.

Unless you're Hushovd and more popular with the judges.

If cavendish didn't drift over and kept hhis line he would of had no problem but he did. It happened to Anna Meares and Shang Guo. Shang couldn't keep her line and so ran into her. Shang got disqulified and so Anna went on to win silver.

 

[subzro]

Frameforum, that football comparison is a shocker lol

 

[saxe_coburg_gotha]

Thor you are a woosh. Dont compete the sprints or find a softer sport if you cant hack it.
Cry baby you and your team need to grow up.

 

[Anonymous]

as i say the wrongs and rights of its, the did he didnt he's can be debated for ever...

doesnt change in my mind that hushovd this tour has been whining snivelling baby whos discovered the kid next door has better toys than him and rather than getting his own, decides to break the other kids.. very dissapointing..

off to make a "man up thor" banner for paris..

 

[Felice Gimondi]

I can't understand why the jury took initiative to dq Cavendish. There has been sprints like this and far worse i previous Tours and they did nothing. Can't help thinking they wanted to teach Cavendish a lesson and waited for an opportunity.

Besides, the jury had no doubts but all over cycling fans are disagreeing about it.

 

[Danilot]

The God of Thunder and Lightning is now the Sod of Banter and Whining.

 

[subzro]

Besides, the jury had no doubts but all over cycling fans are disagreeing about it.

Haha ... the jury has to make a decision one way or another. They weigh up the facts (and only the facts) and rule.

The cycling fan on the other hand can and will debate forever and a day and base their arguments on what they saw on tv, heresay, emotions, and inuendo ..... and most times come up with a less than objective account of what happened, why it happened, when it happened, or didn't happen .... based on which rider they support.

 

[Felice Gimondi]

Haha ... the jury has to make a decision one way or another. They weigh up the facts (and only the facts) and rule.

The cycling fan on the other hand can and will debate forever and a day and base their arguments on what they saw on tv, heresay, emotions, and inuendo ..... and most times come up with a less than objective account of what happened, why it happened, when it happened, or didn't happen .... based on which rider they support.

Your missing the point. If they had expressed doubts about the judgment connected to the rules, it would make more sense. They really don't say what they would allow and what they regard as a violation of the rules. They simply say the maneuver was to much of their liking without making it clear where the boundaries are.

That is simply poor judgement.

 

[subzro]

Um, no. You completely missed the first point.

And nailed the second