Ah, I thougt you were an adult. Clearly my mistake but your rethorics proved otherwise, won't happen again.
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Thor vs Cav
Hi
Seems to be a lot of british cycling fans here...
I dont know if you saw the same finish as me but Cavendish defintively blocked Hushovd. The jury regelated Cav before Cervelo protested !
And even if Cav had not been regelated Thor would have been in the lead.
And that without a team leading him all the way...
Thor´s performance in stage 13 outshined Cav completeley so I dont know why so many in this forum is complaining. He have more points with only one victory which shows that he´s much more active in the race compared with Cav.
Further, Columbia themselves started and led the sprint and thereby destroyed Hincapies chance to win the yellow jersey. And still they are complaining about Garmin ? " Hincapie is a nice guy and thereby deserves the yellow jersey ". What a statement ! This is a bike race !
Ride On
Hi
Seems to be a lot of british cycling fans here...
I dont know if you saw the same finish as me but Cavendish defintively blocked Hushovd. The jury regelated Cav before Cervelo protested !
And even if Cav had not been regelated Thor would have been in the lead.
And that without a team leading him all the way...
Thor´s performance in stage 13 outshined Cav completeley so I dont know why so many in this forum is complaining. He have more points with only one victory which shows that he´s much more active in the race compared with Cav.
Further, Columbia themselves started and led the sprint and thereby destroyed Hincapies chance to win the yellow jersey. And still they are complaining about Garmin ? " Hincapie is a nice guy and thereby deserves the yellow jersey ". What a statement ! This is a bike race !
Ride On
regor1 said:
ok.. im a brit.. personally, i liked thor, and as long as the competition is a good and clean competition i dont overly mind which one wins.. i dont actually think there was too much wrong yesterday, but if need be swap the positions over, but what has anoyed me is thors complaint. i thought he was man enough just to take it on the chin, realise its part of sprinting and get on with the next stage.. the green jersey promised so much, especially when boonen was allowed in, and when boonen, freire did nothing we thought it was going to be one way traffic for cav, thor has made a great fight of it and it was building up to one of the best green way fight in years, the pure sprinter versus the all rounder, and that has been ruined for the fans, by a decision which maybe was by the rules, but not completely fair..
im dissapointed with the judges, and im very dissapointed in thor..
as for columbia costing hincapie the yellow, it was there go slow to try and get george yellow, that ultimately has probably cost cav green.. they did not lead a charge, you must have been watching a different race
Felice Gimondi said:
Only English and Cav fans are disagreeing about it! I don't know if it was foul or not, but I recall thinking "is that legal!?" when I saw the sprint! It was a dangerous situation...As a neutral, Cav deserved the penalty
you have to remember that this is the guys livelyhood. if you were going for a promotion and the other guy going for it did something to reduce your chances youd be annoyed, not necessarily complain, but be annoyed.
i think that cav was innocent tbh, it was more his teams fault for having to make him sprint slower to get hincapie the yellow. as its been said before the tashkent rerror was much, much worse
nevertheless i think both parties are gulty of complaining, even though th apologised it was still a bit pathetic to have a go at velits who was just quicker than him, that is the point of the sprint, to finish as high up as you can.
i dont think av will win for one reason, and its not the gap between them, it is that th has gone for bonus points in the mountains, he is a more experienced competitor as his experience will most likely win through, even though id like to see cav win.
whatever happens hopefully the best man will win
i think that cav was innocent tbh, it was more his teams fault for having to make him sprint slower to get hincapie the yellow. as its been said before the tashkent rerror was much, much worse
nevertheless i think both parties are gulty of complaining, even though th apologised it was still a bit pathetic to have a go at velits who was just quicker than him, that is the point of the sprint, to finish as high up as you can.
i dont think av will win for one reason, and its not the gap between them, it is that th has gone for bonus points in the mountains, he is a more experienced competitor as his experience will most likely win through, even though id like to see cav win.
whatever happens hopefully the best man will win
Franklin said:
Yeah they all saw the bump in the barriers before we did but the guy who is next to the barrier is responsible for himself. The columbia team aren't required to move in for him, if there is an obstruction in Thor's line then it's Thors problem and Columbia's line seems strait enough to me. Having said that, Cav does move a little but as said by others that comes with looking over your shoulder.
And it's just spoiled the the most exciting competition in the tour so far - paris was going to be great with those two battling for green. Seems like many people hear are taking the opportunity to slate cav for because he's a bit of a *** when really he didn't do that much wrong.
dimspace said:maybe thor will eat something that disagrees with him, or miss a corner...
karma cab be a b**ch
or maybe carma cought up on Cav
Belokki said:
Not correct, as a Norwegian I should know. It's debated also in Denmark where they have greater cycling traditions and even on "Aftentour" on DR1 Alex Pedersen, a former cyclist, called it to harsh.
Incredible... Cav tries dirty tricks to win a point or two just to have it backfire on him, and people complain about Thor? Seriously... Cav may have lost himself the green jersey, but it was by his own action.
Did you see the part after they crossed the line? Thor stops to confront Cav, Cav pretends like nothing and just continues, Cavs teammate Eisel stops pats Thor on the back, and Thor asks "Did you see what he did?", Eisel replies "Yes."...
Of course Columbia will protest (like every other team would) and say Cav did nothing wrong since the green jersey is on the line, but they now full well what went down. Shame on you Cav. Shame on you.
Oh really? And what were these dirty tricks exactly?fairplay said:
Incredible... Cav tries dirty tricks to win a point or two just to have it backfire on him, and people complain about Thor? Seriously... Cav may have lost himself the green jersey, but it was by his own action.
Ah yes, I understand now. Cavendish was supposed to crash himself against Renshaw so that Hushovd had enough space to get away from the barrier-trap he had gotten himself into.
fairplay said:
Incredible... Cav tries dirty tricks to win a point or two just to have it backfire on him, and people complain about Thor? Seriously... Cav may have lost himself the green jersey, but it was by his own action.
Did you see the part after they crossed the line? Thor stops to confront Cav, Cav pretends like nothing and just continues, Cavs teammate Eisel stops pats Thor on the back, and Thor asks "Did you see what he did?", Eisel replies "Yes."...
Of course Columbia will protest (like every other team would) and say Cav did nothing wrong since the green jersey is on the line, but they now full well what went down. Shame on you Cav. Shame on you.
Damn cav and his making the barriers uneven trick.. he needs to watch out, that one could be a deadly trick.
Seriously, Thor has made himself a nice media image on TV, however the last 2 stages he's changed and become an arogant rider. I ment yelling over 1 point in Vittel.
Danilot said:
disagree, Thor was lapping his back wheel when Cav shut him down. The fastest man shouldn't need to do that. Goes to show how much the train has helped him...
I can't believe anyone watching that sprint can honestly say that Cav & Columbia did not intentionally try to impede Thor and get Renshaw & as many other riders between Cav and Thor as possible.
The fact that Thor was in the wrong for yelling at Velits does not mean he is wrong about what happened yesterday, that is just faulty logic.
The fact that Thor was in the wrong for yelling at Velits does not mean he is wrong about what happened yesterday, that is just faulty logic.
fairplay said:
Incredible... Cav tries dirty tricks to win a point or two just to have it backfire on him, and people complain about Thor? Seriously... Cav may have lost himself the green jersey, but it was by his own action.
Did you see the part after they crossed the line? Thor stops to confront Cav, Cav pretends like nothing and just continues, Cavs teammate Eisel stops pats Thor on the back, and Thor asks "Did you see what he did?", Eisel replies "Yes."...
Are you sure about that? Can you lip read? One, I didn't see it, but then that's not to say Eisel didn't pat Hosvod on the back. But two, where was Eisel in the sprint to have a good enough view to judge what happened. Surely he would have been somewhere to the left of the incident without a clear view. So where did you access the information about this alleged conversation? Or did you just make it up?
God of thunder my a55 he was in the wrong position without a lead out and even worse he goes moaning like a soft scandy.
Stick to the climbing Thor your only getting in the way. If your are going to sprint close to the barriers thats the risk you take. The man in front has the right of way. Bring your test team up there and then have a go if not dont moan when you are a wheelsucker/follower.
Your have just turned the green jersey yellow.
Stick to the climbing Thor your only getting in the way. If your are going to sprint close to the barriers thats the risk you take. The man in front has the right of way. Bring your test team up there and then have a go if not dont moan when you are a wheelsucker/follower.
Your have just turned the green jersey yellow.
nathanbloke said:
Of course I am sure. I didn't need to lip read, it was shown with clear audio on norwegian TV. Eisel obviously saw enough to give Thor a straight answer, you'd have to ask him for more details on his positioning. I will try to find the clip for you.
fairplay said:
On what channel? I suspekt your are making this up because I saw this on TV2 and there is no audio there, there's only Paasches commentary...
Pretty sure it was TV2. I have seen the clip you are probably referring to with the commentary, but that one is cut off before Eisel even pulls up. The clip was shown in full, without the commentary later in the evening.
Let's be clear.
Thor: Did you see what he did?
Eisel: Yes. He kicked your **** yet again. Now (pat on back) quit yer whining.
Thor: Did you see what he did?
Eisel: Yes. He kicked your **** yet again. Now (pat on back) quit yer whining.
fairplay said:
I find that really hard to believe since such a statement would crack the whole position and strength for Columbias statements. TV2 would even have released it for that purpose....your making it up, grow up man!
Felice Gimondi said:
No he doesn't make it up. Check Tdf-magasinet on TV2 yesterday. But it wasn't Eisel who said it, it was Renshaw. But i think he said it to cool Hushovd down, as Hushovd was steaming and yelling at Cav. Renshaw and Hushovd is good mates and often train with each other. In an interview with with TV2 tooday Renshaw also said it was dificault because he's a good friend with Thor.
Ah, oh so it was Renshaw, I stand corrected. I've been looking for the clip but haven't found it so far, I'll check TdF magasinet.
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