hektoren said:
No just thought this thread was for discussion and so deceded to widen the field
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No just thought this thread was for discussion and so deceded to widen the field
I love this place, the tall poppy syndrome around here is the best ever.....always makes for an interesting lunchtime read.
Keep it up people....hahaha
Keep it up people....hahaha
Boardslide said:
And as a narrowminded fanboy, you thought it fell on you to widen the scope of a discussion?
C'mon! You've written 27 posts, 90% of which deals with Cavendish or the Greipel-Cavendish controversy. Bet it hurts when your hero pulls off a really stupid stunt like yesterday, but cycling is about so much more than the boy racer. You'd do worse than removing your blinkers, obviously styled along the set Cav is using.
Cav doesnt sprint directly to the finish, instead going significantly sideways, although this line was consistent. Am intrigued a bit by his big swerve at the previous slight bend, looks to me like he got barged by Haussler and was lucky to stay on?
LHC not a factor
That excuse doesn't work as they are just doing development work this week, no running
News: 10 June 2010
Message from the Director General:
LHC full-intensity development work
In my message on 2 June.............
One step towards these goals is for the LHC to run smoothly with bunches at the design intensity,............., but in order for collisions at this intensity to become a routine operation, the LHC teams need to continue development work.
We have therefore decided, in view of the long-term goals for luminosity, to focus fully on the beam development work for at least the coming week.
trompe le monde said:
That excuse doesn't work as they are just doing development work this week, no running
News: 10 June 2010
Message from the Director General:
LHC full-intensity development work
In my message on 2 June.............
One step towards these goals is for the LHC to run smoothly with bunches at the design intensity,............., but in order for collisions at this intensity to become a routine operation, the LHC teams need to continue development work.
We have therefore decided, in view of the long-term goals for luminosity, to focus fully on the beam development work for at least the coming week.
Hugh Januss said:
I was watching it live and I felt that the whole business just had 'crash' written all over it, from the moment they swept up Phil Gilbert.
Cavendish's fault but I agree with Hugh that there was a lot of messy stuff and to my mind there was a separation between Cavendish's ugly swerve towards the centre and the actual impact.
A day on and it's Coyot's hideous trajectory as he fell that still haunts me. If you forget the muppeteering at centre stage and just watch Coyot in slo-mo on the right, it's chilling.
redtreviso said:here..the wheel is still a wheel
It is because tire forced it back to the round shape.
hektoren said:
No not narrowminded or blinkered I just don't post very often although a regular visitor and avid reader of others opinions. Also earlier I made no excuse for what happened I just thought HH abandoned rather quickly and wanted to know other people's thoughts.
L'arriviste said:I was watching it live and I felt that the whole business just had 'crash' written all over it, from the moment they swept up Phil Gilbert.
True dat, it was a mess. Besides, huge crashes go with the territory of sprinting.
Dude needs to learn how to hold his line in a sprint. Thought he might have got a lesson after it cost him the green in last year's Tour but no... doesn't look like it.
Kudos to Oscarito for an awesome display of bike handling too. He should of gone down in that clusterf*ck but powerslided around it and came to a stop still upright!
Some good news it seems Coyot's injuries are not as serious as first thought
"Coyot was not directly involved in the crash but was squeezed against the barriers and flipped over the handlebars at speed. Initial reports said he had a suspected fractured hip. He was taken away on a stretcher wearing a neck brace but was later diagnosed with a fractured radius and scaphoid in his left wrist."
"Coyot was not directly involved in the crash but was squeezed against the barriers and flipped over the handlebars at speed. Initial reports said he had a suspected fractured hip. He was taken away on a stretcher wearing a neck brace but was later diagnosed with a fractured radius and scaphoid in his left wrist."
Interestingly, Cav seems to have lost it a bit. He didn't get that clear jump he used to. An the irregular sprinting might have something to do with this.
It seemed he was trying to close the door on Ciolek and Haussler.
Haussler was actually accelerating at that moment, Cav not.
Didn't Cavendish complain a lot about someone blocking him with an irregular sprint last year? Hushovd possibly? Can't remember
It seemed he was trying to close the door on Ciolek and Haussler.
Haussler was actually accelerating at that moment, Cav not.
Didn't Cavendish complain a lot about someone blocking him with an irregular sprint last year? Hushovd possibly? Can't remember
my reading of the situation is this, Cav is not the first sprinter to move about in a sprint finish and wont be the last. If you look at Cav's fist move in coming off his teams mates back wheel he went way wide and that to me was the most dangerous move he made yesterday, but looking at it again it looked like a rider came at him (haussler) and caused that move........it is only millimetres in every sprint into a city centre finish that differentiates between a crash and no crash...
it looks to me that Huassler's front wheel touched Cav's, Haus's last movement in his sprint is exaggerated and it is this move that touch's the front wheels of both bikes and brings them both down and the subsequent dominos.....but Cav has a big mouth and has become a target and an easy target...
it looks to me that Huassler's front wheel touched Cav's, Haus's last movement in his sprint is exaggerated and it is this move that touch's the front wheels of both bikes and brings them both down and the subsequent dominos.....but Cav has a big mouth and has become a target and an easy target...
Benotti69 said:
Yes, I think so too. Cavendish's whole effort was coloured by a ridiculous swerve that almost took out Marcato at the beginning, then I think he went arrow straight for a while. After passing Ciolek he obviously wanted to close the door on him and went around but found Haussler on the other side doing the same thing (though more cleanly). I reckon Cavendish wasn't expecting to see anyone there (for he is otherwise clearly measuring his progress with frequent glances up to that point) and since the line was by then so close, he was reckless.
I've just watched the crash again on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg&feature=related
the front slo mo shots from 46 secs onwards are interesting. I note that on another video the Italian commentators realised what was going to happen about 2-3 seconds before it actually did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RNAYR3KPIg&feature=related
the front slo mo shots from 46 secs onwards are interesting. I note that on another video the Italian commentators realised what was going to happen about 2-3 seconds before it actually did.
Hawkwood said:
I took the link straight from Mark Renshaws twitter page
http://twitter.com/markrenshaw1
Probably something to do with tweetphoto, I doubt it's a virus
Necessary Evil said:
I have no idea what was going through his mind. He not only veered to the left abruptly, he would have taken out Ciolek's front wheel if Ciolek hadn't braked/stopped pedaling to avoid it. In Cavendish's mind he probably thinks that Haussler veered into him which obviously wasn't the case. Simply reckless.
Hugh Januss said:
He likely lowered his shoulder because Cav was marginally in front of him and Haussler caught side of him veering in his direction.
Jamsque said:
There was massive incompetence on Cavendish's part. As I stated earlier he pretty much almost caused Ciolek to crash on his sweep across the front and then upon barging into Haussler ended up resulting in his crashing anwyway.
Sweeping across the front of pack of sprinters with no regard for who's wheel you may be taking out is wreckless.
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