Cav is...

[Angliru]

It wasn't deliberate, it wasn't malicious, it wasn't vindictive.

It was, however, stupid, and Cav's fault. I see very little to blame Haussler for here. He didn't move anything like as much as Cav did. Cav must shoulder pretty much all responsibility for it, but it was clumsy rather than spiteful.

+1 Actions motivated out of desperation to prove himself after what has been quite the disappointing season when compared to his previous years.
His form hasn't caught to what he used to be capable of. Maybe success has gone to his head and he's not training with the same intensity. Once he reaches the point where he's dropped off by his train, he's not as sharp and alert as in the past. Fatigue has been the root of many a mash-up.

 

[Roland Rat]

My anti-virus software picked up a problem with that page.

Mine too.







blah blah blah.

 

[Angliru]

A slap on the wrist yes. Intentional no. Cleaner then any Robbie McQuewan sprint yes.

No, actually worse since he caused several of his competitors to crash, causing at least 2 to leave the race. As much as I think McEwen was fairly wreckless too, he hasn't in my memory caused any carnage like this.

 

[Angliru]

thing is, it was fairly obvious at about 500m that there was going to be a crash, id alreads said to the telly that it was going to end in tears. The leadouts were a mess, the corners and things before the finish were crap, one corner with a huge high kerb on one side and railings on the other, so by the time they got to 300m they were battling for space.

Cavendish and Haussler where both converging on cioleck and to be honest its a good job they hit each other or cioleck would have been wiped out. Cav caused the actual crash, but if he hadnt I think heinchrich would have caused one 20yards later.

The whole sprint was a mess and part of the blame lies on organisers..

Then again, we all love a good crash in the final kilometre as long as nobody is hurt

...and of course your being a British racing fan has no bearing on you minimizing Cavendish's responsibility in causing this carnage.

 

[Angliru]

Cavendish was to blame, he seriously attempted to block out Ciolek by swinging across. Bad crash.
Broken wheel? Having watched in super slow motion I don't buy it.

The wheel probably broke as a result of the impact from Haussler's front wheel hitting/rolling over it. When the two of them collided Cavendish began to fall, Haussler's front wheel impacted Cavendish's.

 

[mancsyboy]

Wow there is such hate out there, which i cant believe as Cycling is such a beautiful sport.

He may have been at fault but it is not like he has caused loads of crashes before and normally does sprint in a straight line.

I think some people need to read their comments before posting them and think how vicious they sound, and then calm down

 

[TRDean]

Wow there is such hate out there, which i cant believe as Cycling is such a beautiful sport.

He may have been at fault but it is not like he has caused loads of crashes before and normally does sprint in a straight line.

I think some people need to read their comments before posting them and think how vicious they sound, and then calm down

I don't see hate...what I see is people calling Cav out...which should be done. He was at fault. I also see Cav fans trying to lay the blame equally on HH shoulders...

 

[Angliru]

+1 There are to many closed minds here to look at other possibilities.

I believe as long as you don't impede the progress of your opponent when you cross the road in front of them it's generally acceptable. In this case he causes Ciolek to raise up from his drops to avoid impacting Cavendish's rear wheel and then proceeds across the road and slams into Haussler.

 

[danjo007]

ffs - it took 7 pages of drivvle posting from ALL of you ill informed weekend warriors for someone to pickup that the wheel breaking caused the crash.
yes- i agree he shouldnt have cut across, but it wasnt the cut across that caused the crash -> you mainly large bunch of ignorants!
typical of this forum!

and btw, i cannot stand cavendish

 

[danjo007]

The wheel probably broke as a result of the impact from Haussler's front wheel hitting/rolling over it. When the two of them collided Cavendish began to fall, Haussler's front wheel impacted Cavendish's.

now have another look! that or get some glasses - or EVEN a CLUE

 

[Tom T.]

Take a look at this shot: http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...ned-for-finale-crash-at-tour-de-suisse_121246

Doesn't look like the wheel is taco'd as he's about to hit the ground.

Edit: Just realized this shot is deceptive, an earlier shot clearly shows the wheel bent like hell. never mind!

 

[Angliru]

Kudos to Oscarito for an awesome display of bike handling too. He should of gone down in that clusterf*ck but powerslided around it and came to a stop still upright!

Good to hear. I thought he was done for when I saw someone's bike flipping in the air in his path. The Cat lands on his feet!

 

[Anonymous]

Wow there is such hate out there, which i cant believe as Cycling is such a beautiful sport.

He may have been at fault but it is not like he has caused loads of crashes before and normally does sprint in a straight line.

I think some people need to read their comments before posting them and think how vicious they sound, and then calm down

Hi Mark,

Glad you checked in. You have to admit that you made a complete mess of that finale. A little less cockiness on your part will go a long way, no?

 

[Archibald]

hahaha!!
and of course if cavendish had stayed to the left instead of swerving across the road, then the carnage would have been less... or maybe his wheel may not have had the stresses placed on it if he'd stayed to his side of the road...
and if your aunty had boll0cks she'd be your uncle...

 

[lean mean &green]

He may have been at fault but it is not like he has caused loads of crashes before and normally does sprint in a straight line.

wrong.

cav rides dangerously left and right quite a bit. it's a miracle he hasn't caused more crashes. tries to "close the door" quite often which i never understood because he's usually fast enough that he doesn't have to. he's often so far clear that no one's around to knock into. he's clearly a little slower this year and it's getting him into trouble.

as discussed ad nauseum, sprinting is inherently dangerous and we can't over-react, but the fine needs to be stiffer.

i don't hate MC and i actually don't mind the chip on his shoulder but yesterday's sprint was awful.

 

[Cobblestones]

McEwen was fairly wreckless

Funny typo.

 

[mancsyboy]

Hi Mark,

Glad you checked in. You have to admit that you made a complete mess of that finale. A little less cockiness on your part will go a long way, no?

??? I wish i had his money and his talent. I admit it looked like it was his fault but i cant understand the hate to him and the hate from people to other forum users from all view points

Anyway very difficult to write this while riding my bike in the Tour de Suisse, I dont want ruin another set of wheels, DOH

 

[Cobblestones]

No, the wheel folded as a result of the crash. And it actually springs back into shape later! It has all been discussed for pages and pages. You might want to read the thread before posting.

 

[Cerberus]

No, the wheel folded as a result of the crash. And it actually springs back into shape later! It has all been discussed for pages and pages. You might want to read the thread before posting.

Psst, I'm smelling the stench (and grammar) of trolling. You're probably wasting you time talking to him.

 

[Cobblestones]

Psst, I'm smelling the stench (and grammar) of trolling. You're probably wasting you time talking to him.

You're probably right.

 

[mancsyboy]

I don't see hate...what I see is people calling Cav out...which should be done. He was at fault. I also see Cav fans trying to lay the blame equally on HH shoulders...

Its not just the hate to cav its to ther forum users as well.

I am English and like Cav and Haussler. I do think it was a bad sprint by Cav.

He has been dealt with by the rules, and there are a lot of bike riders in that field who have done a lot worse than him

 

[Anonymous]

If you talk the talk...

better be ready to take the heat when you "blow the walk". Poor Marky, feet of clay. Does he get a new nick name now? The "Manx Menace", the "Manx Mouth"? cast your votes

Anyone think this would have happened with George H & Co plowing a path to the line?

(and what does drivvle mean, that English or some obsolete Manx word?)

 

[Anonymous]

??? I wish i had his money and his talent. I admit it looked like it was his fault but i cant understand the hate to him and the hate from people to other forum users from all view points

Anyway very difficult to write this while riding my bike in the Tour de Suisse, I dont want ruin another set of wheels, DOH

Don't mistake criticism for hate. Your boy was in quite a mood this morning.

From Velonews ticker:


C.F.Pelkey: By the way, folks, the race was delayed a bit today when riders from several teams protested the aggressive tactics by Mark Cavendish.

Riders from the Cervelo, Caisse d'Epargne and AG2R teams, whose colleagues Heinrich Haussler, Arnaud Coyot and Lloyd Mondory were forced to quit the race because of their injuries expressed their anger at the attitude of HTC-Columbia's Cavendish.

"We just want to send a message to Cavendish to ask him for more respect," said AG2R director Gilles Mas, whose team rider Sebastien Hinault was elbowed by the British rider in the fourth stage.

Bystanders claimed that Cavendish responded to criticism from riders after Tuesday's incident by spitting on the ground on front of them.

Cavendish, who started the stage with his right knee bandaged, said:

"I'm not going to say that I'm not at fault but I don't think I should have been held as the sole responsible. It's the worst fall of my career, the worst injuries that I've suffered. But there are riders who are in a worse state than me."
Wednesday June 16, 2010 3:09 C.F.Pelkey


A wise response? I'll let you decide.

 

[Barrus]

Don't mistake criticism for hate. Your boy was in quite a mood this morning.

From Velonews ticker:


C.F.Pelkey: By the way, folks, the race was delayed a bit today when riders from several teams protested the aggressive tactics by Mark Cavendish.

Riders from the Cervelo, Caisse d'Epargne and AG2R teams, whose colleagues Heinrich Haussler, Arnaud Coyot and Lloyd Mondory were forced to quit the race because of their injuries expressed their anger at the attitude of HTC-Columbia's Cavendish.

"We just want to send a message to Cavendish to ask him for more respect," said AG2R director Gilles Mas, whose team rider Sebastien Hinault was elbowed by the British rider in the fourth stage.

Bystanders claimed that Cavendish responded to criticism from riders after Tuesday's incident by spitting on the ground on front of them.

Cavendish, who started the stage with his right knee bandaged, said:

"I'm not going to say that I'm not at fault but I don't think I should have been held as the sole responsible. It's the worst fall of my career, the worst injuries that I've suffered. But there are riders who are in a worse state than me."
Wednesday June 16, 2010 3:09 C.F.Pelkey


A wise response? I'll let you decide.

I believe he might feel some consequence from this behaviour at some point in his career and probably somewhere this year even

 

[mancsyboy]

wrong.

cav rides dangerously left and right quite a bit. it's a miracle he hasn't caused more crashes. tries to "close the door" quite often which i never understood because he's usually fast enough that he doesn't have to. he's often so far clear that no one's around to knock into. he's clearly a little slower this year and it's getting him into trouble.

as discussed ad nauseum, sprinting is inherently dangerous and we can't over-react, but the fine needs to be stiffer.

i don't hate MC and i actually don't mind the chip on his shoulder but yesterday's sprint was awful.

this is the only sprint i have seen where he has been in the wrong. last years tour sprint he cocked up but the barriers came in, and he did not veer like yesterday.