Cav is...

[Cerberus]

You have to read between the lines, but that is exactly what he is saying.

Of cause that is what it means, but he's not coming right out and admitting it. It's classic deflection tactics. It's like saying "mistakes were made". Obviously it means that you made mistakes, but you distancing yourself from the admission. As you say yourself " you have to read between the line" and between the lines he's deflecting for all he's worth. He's deflecting in the actual line themselves to for that matter.

 

[doddy13]

Of cause that is what it means, but he's not coming right out and admitting it. It's classic deflection tactics. It's like saying "mistakes were made". Obviously it means that you made mistakes, but you distancing yourself from the admission. As you say yourself " you have to read between the line" and between the lines he's deflecting for all he's worth. He's deflecting in the actual line themselves to for that matter.

Thats sportsmen all around though. Rarely do they admit to wrong doings.

 

[Divine Intervention]

Besides has anyone actually said that he cause the crash deliberately?

Well this guy from the first page is sort of saying that:

It's like a baby not getting what he desires. Then upon realising this fact he takes immediate action, not considering the effects...

So there is one!

I can see the case for apologising, though I can also understand why Cav might feel an apology would be admitting to guilt. Ironically the worse the crash the harder it is to apologise. If it's just a little crash then you can apologise without any problem, but if people have season ruining injuries then the matter of blame becomes a more serious thing to admit to.

It's sort of like the way it was harder for politicians to apologise for Iraq than some small matter.

 

[Cerberus]

Well this guy from the first page is sort of saying that:



So there is one!

Ok, that guy is clearly a moron

I can see the case for apologising, though I can also understand why Cav might feel an apology would be admitting to guilt. Ironically the worse the crash the harder it is to apologise. If it's just a little crash then you can apologise without any problem, but if people have season ruining injuries then the matter of blame becomes a more serious thing to admit to.

It's sort of like the way it was harder for politicians to apologise for Iraq than some small matter.

That's actually a fair point. On a related not the risk of career or at least season ending injuries is a good reason why that sort of things should be discourages. I bet that Sprinters would be a lot better at holding their line of the juries took a stricter line on changing the line and closing the door, even when no crashes are caused. The rules already exist, but since they're not consistently enforced they often get broken.

 

[mancsyboy]

BPC, you have been reported again. Hopefully you won't get into the teens in post count this time. Toodles!

not sure i understand this one. BPC? reported? for what?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Do you have any evidence that Cav behaves like this away from the race?

I think he is quite humble in his private life. I don't think you should infer and assert things.

His comments about winning stages picking his nose. His general disrespect for everyone. The fact that nothing is ever his fault might have something to do with it.

The fact is that he is constantly indulged by the media and fans who make excuses for him and his bad behaviour. We're told 'he's young', 'he's brash', 'it's all heat of the moment' etc etc.

We won't change because he has all these apologists who tell him that everything he does is excusable.

Funny how the same people who ***** about Hunt leading the protest - telling him to shut up and ride, don't ever seem to say the same things to Frodo when he is busy saying and doing stupid things.

 

[Hawkwood]

Well this guy from the first page is sort of saying that:



So there is one!

I can see the case for apologising, though I can also understand why Cav might feel an apology would be admitting to guilt. Ironically the worse the crash the harder it is to apologise. If it's just a little crash then you can apologise without any problem, but if people have season ruining injuries then the matter of blame becomes a more serious thing to admit to.

It's sort of like the way it was harder for politicians to apologise for Iraq than some small matter.

This is not an excuse for what did or didn't happen, but is there an issue here that an apology could be used against you in future litigation? I know that in the UK there have been a few cases involving injuries in football or rugby games where the injured party has sued successfully for damages.

 

[Benotti69]

I have already commented on this thread...but i want to add that i don't think there have been that many sprint for the line crashes this year, i could be wrong. Cavendish has been unlucky to be involved in how many this year?

If people are gonna start saying that he is a dangerous sprinter well better go back and look at the last 30years at least to see how dangerous it is to put your head down at the end of a race and give it all for the line...so he gets punished for doing that...bit like giving speeding tickets out at F1...its bull...how many riders get punished for causing mass pile ups in the middle of a race where some team leader loses minutes and a chance of a GT victory....i didn't see anybody get punished for taking out Nibali and letting vino and evans go up the road....

picking on the young loudmouth cos you can...an easy target

 

[Divine Intervention]

Eurosport commentator makes an interesting point. 200ms before the finish Haussler cut right into Cavendish and almost ran him into the barriers, yet nobody has complained about this.

 

[flicker]

His comments about winning stages picking his nose. His general disrespect for everyone. The fact that nothing is ever his fault might have something to do with it.

The fact is that he is constantly indulged by the media and fans who make excuses for him and his bad behaviour. We're told 'he's young', 'he's brash', 'it's all heat of the moment' etc etc.

We won't change because he has all these apologists who tell him that everything he does is excusable.

Funny how the same people who ***** about Hunt leading the protest - telling him to shut up and ride, don't ever seem to say the same things to Frodo when he is busy saying and doing stupid things.

list who behaves worse. Bettini, drug offender,Boonen drug offender,Lance serial cusser or Cav. nosepicker.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

And your point is what exactly? Comparing Frodo to various people doesn't some how make his behaviour acceptable.

 

[Divine Intervention]

Cav is currently deep in conversation with members of the Cervelo team in the peloton.

 

[Divine Intervention]

On Haussler, when another rider recently pullout of a race because of a bashed up elbow, a lot of people said he should have continued....

 

[Angliru]

Funny typo.

Not intentional but quite fitting.

 

[Angliru]

I have already commented on this thread...but i want to add that i don't think there have been that many sprint for the line crashes this year, i could be wrong. Cavendish has been unlucky to be involved in how many this year?

If people are gonna start saying that he is a dangerous sprinter well better go back and look at the last 30years at least to see how dangerous it is to put your head down at the end of a race and give it all for the line...so he gets punished for doing that...bit like giving speeding tickets out at F1...its bull...how many riders get punished for causing mass pile ups in the middle of a race where some team leader loses minutes and a chance of a GT victory....i didn't see anybody get punished for taking out Nibali and letting vino and evans go up the road....

picking on the young loudmouth cos you can...an easy target

I personally stated that in this particular incident he was reckless, possibly riding beyond his current level of fitness allows. As was stated previously, he obviously doesn't have the form that had carried him to his numerous wins but he still is sprinting in the same fashion, assuming he's putting everyone yards behind with his accelerations when he's not quite there yet.

 

[screaming fist]

On Haussler, when another rider recently pullout of a race because of a bashed up elbow, a lot of people said he should have continued....

I don't know what other rider you're talking about. But it's quite obvious why a rider that wants to take part in Tour de France decides not continue in Switzerland with a freshly stitched elbow.

 

[doddy13]

I personally stated that in this particular incident he was reckless, possibly riding beyond his current level of fitness allows. As was stated previously, he obviously doesn't have the form that had carried him to his numerous wins but he still is sprinting in the same fashion, assuming he's putting everyone yards behind with his accelerations when he's not quite there yet.

I'm not sure if it was on this forum or not. But somebody said Cavendish is probably at 2008 form. I'd agree with that. He's not in his 2009 form, thats certain.

 

[therhodeo]

I don't know what other rider you're talking about. But it's quite obvious why a rider that wants to take part in Tour de France decides not continue in Switzerland with a freshly stitched elbow.

He's talking about his boy Lance.

 

[blackcat]

His comments about winning stages picking his nose. His general disrespect for everyone. The fact that nothing is ever his fault might have something to do with it.

The fact is that he is constantly indulged by the media and fans who make excuses for him and his bad behaviour. We're told 'he's young', 'he's brash', 'it's all heat of the moment' etc etc.

We won't change because he has all these apologists who tell him that everything he does is excusable.

Funny how the same people who ***** about Hunt leading the protest - telling him to shut up and ride, don't ever seem to say the same things to Frodo when he is busy saying and doing stupid things.

Frodo is the guy who said of Kenny Robert Van Hummel at De Panne "dangerous, very very dangerous".

And blamed Piet Rooijakkers at the Tour, when he pushed him off a wheel in front, that he was following, when the Columbia train was wedged in the gutter.

F' him. Hypocrite

 

[JayZee]

Discuss....

McEwan celebrated his demotion from being the biggest D-Bag sprinter in the peloton by winning the bunch sprint for fourth.

 

[ridley]

Maybe a few of the AG2R, Cervelo and Caise riders should drop back on a day with a big climb and beat the snot out of Cav as he drops off the back of the peloton to teach him a lesson (and some humility)

 

[blackcat]

No, actually worse since he caused several of his competitors to crash, causing at least 2 to leave the race. As much as I think McEwen was fairly wreckless too, he hasn't in my memory caused any carnage like this.

put MAtti Breschel in Hospital at West Flanders, and Guidi in hospital in 98 Denmark Rundt

 

[blackcat]

McEwan celebrated his demotion from being the biggest D-Bag sprinter in the peloton by winning the bunch sprint for fourth.

everyone knows Graeme Brown held that title.

 

[Anonymous]

everyone knows Graeme Brown held that title.

Brown will be the come-back victor in the D-Bag standings by the end of the year.

 

[Angliru]

put MAtti Breschel in Hospital at West Flanders, and Guidi in hospital in 98 Denmark Rundt

Thanks! Well that puts him just about even with McEwen in carnage caused just that quickly.