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oldcrank said:
Whether he is right for the job or not is one thing,
but quoting Wonderboy is just bad form. Very bad.

If Armstrong said that I never heard it, and I certainly wouldn't quote him.Sport seems to be infested with administrators who like to see their name in the press as often as possible.
They should seek attention for sport not for themselves.He even likes to undermine his successor now and then.Classic egomaniac just like Margaret Thatcher or Dr Mahathir.
 
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Couple of questions - have you read the charter? And did you hear lemond say he had reluctantly agreed to do it but thought ashenden was much better candidate as interim president? Also ashenden repeatedly saying it was crucial to change the culture, to give credibility back to the riders?
 
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And who would you include in a similar group? All present have been staunchly anti doping - difficult to see why you wouldn't include ashenden, Boyer, lemond, kimmage etc.

Think press coverage has been, um, interesting...
 
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babastooey said:
I've read the articles on this site and I've been to the Change Cycling Now website, and so far, I'm a little disappointed. The scope of the sport and organization is not really "change cycling" but "change cycling leadership. While I agree that changing leadership would help a great deal, this group seriously needs to avoid becoming a shadow government or a loyal opposition party because what they do not need is for this to be political. Yet, that is exactly the direction that they seem to be heading towards.

Be patient, Rome isn't built in a day. First meeting is all about establishing common goals, building some dynamic and trust. And establishing a starting point which by definition is what experiences people have had about the wrongs in the system. And they clearly include many personal issues around Pat... New stuff we haven't heard before...

Next steps will be exactly as you suggest, changes in the system going forward and crafting a campaign strategy with Greg as the lead media star outlining the wrongs in the system, including personal issues around Pat, and the changes required in both leadership as well as governance.

Personally I believe that the team around the table has the professionalism and depth of cycling knowledge to make this a success.
 
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Next jab is from Pat. He now urgently wants to build "a new bright future for cycling". Suggestions invited with a deadline designed to steal momentum from CCN. All we've had for years is bike stickers and seat angles but now there are UCI commissions, enquiries and round tables galore.

As Tideplay1 brilliantly commented under the CN article: "While Rome burns, Nero fiddles". What a news article headline that would be.
 
Tinman said:
Next jab is from Pat. He now urgently wants to build "a new bright future for cycling". Suggestions invited with a deadline designed to steal momentum from CCN. All we've had for years is bike stickers and seat angles but now there are UCI commissions, enquiries and round tables galore.

As Tideplay1 brilliantly commented under the CN article: "While Rome burns, Nero fiddles". What a news article headline that would be.

UCI must have hired Lance's PR machine... You forgot the 'doping hotline' :)
 
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Tinman said:
Next jab is from Pat. He now urgently wants to build "a new bright future for cycling". Suggestions invited with a deadline designed to steal momentum from CCN. All we've had for years is bike stickers and seat angles but now there are UCI commissions, enquiries and round tables galore.

As Tideplay1 brilliantly commented under the CN article: "While Rome burns, Nero fiddles". What a news article headline that would be.

Martin started a thread on this "initiative" earlier. By the way, your previous post was excellent (Omaha beach and all that). Looks like this could end up more like Stalingrad if Pat & the gang are digging in as they obviously appear to be doing.
 
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Tinman said:
Be patient, Rome isn't built in a day.

Look, I get what you are saying...but when a sport's culture fades and devolves into corruption, the people who love the sport want to see it turned around sooner rather than later. Which is why I suppose they decided to name the group "Change Cycling Now" ... as opposed to "Change Cycling Eventually." I hope it is the former and not the latter.

And to add to my earlier comments on "Change Cycling Now" vs. "Change the UCI President Now" -- changing the leadership I feel is only a small component of changing the sport.

Ultimately, what needs to change is the mindset of the people who take the drugs. What most amazed me about reading Hamilton's book was that he blood doped and took whatever he was given -- seemingly without any thought to his health or well being. Change Cycling Now should use their members who have a doping past to speak about their personal experience and talk about the hazards to their well being from doing it. The goal being, that they should change the perspective of the riders -- so that they focus more on the dangers and the risks. Changing the UCI leadership would be helpful in this area, because it would present an opportunity to set up a system where riders can feel empowered -- that they have an advocate and a support network in the event that they are pressured by anyone associated with their team into doping -- and therefore can stand up to it. Before, riders either had to cheat or quit. Some quit, but most decided to cheat because they weren't educated about the health risks and they lacked the support to stand up for themselves and say no.

What also needs to change is that the sport needs to prove to its supporters -- who drive the efforts of sponsors to be involved in the sport and therefore provides the funding for the sport -- that the sport is clean and heading in the right direction. Otherwise, more sponsors will follow Rabobank out the door and cripple the sport. In order to accomplish this, the drug testing must be improved and the system as to how tests are administered must improve. Changing leadership would also be instrumental in this area as well.

I look forward to hearing how Change Cycling Now intends to address these two main points. Present a plan - change the culture -- not just leadership -- and win back the sponsors and fans. Challenge McQuaid to implement this ideas, and then when he refuses or drags his feet -- then make it clear that he is standing in the way of the progressive ideas they are advocating. I hope in these two areas they provide positive ideas and are successful at promoting them and do not waste their time playing politics, which I feel is not productive.
 
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Change cycling eventually. I like it!

Change cycling next year.

Change cycling one day.

Change cycling never.
 
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babastooey said:
Look, I get what you are saying...but when a sport's culture fades and devolves into corruption, the people who love the sport want to see it turned around sooner rather than later. Which is why I suppose they decided to name the group "Change Cycling Now" ... as opposed to "Change Cycling Eventually." I hope it is the former and not the latter.

I agree with your overall sentiments. I guess what I am saying is lets give the CCN guys who are passionate and knowledgeable about this noble cause an opportunity to deliver. Our years/decades of UCI frustration are no reason to be overly critical of them within days/weeks - not yet. Lets focus our current critique on the villains not the potential change agents. For "Now" at least.
 
python said:
sorry, i don't see the earful, no do i see the entire affair as anything but a scam or a farce.

think, my friend !

who, how, when, what ...can bring ANYTHING of significance when the uci had years to concealed and destroy the hard evidence.

One would Think the IC would find this interesting:

In addition, Eric Boyer is also a CCN member and stated yesterday that he had been threatened with legal action by UCI President Pat McQuaid after he raised concerns about Armstrong’s return to racing. He has said that he still has the letter in question and, presumably, will consider handing it over.
 
Tinman said:
I guess what I am saying is lets give the CCN guys who are passionate and knowledgeable about this noble cause an opportunity to deliver. Our years/decades of UCI frustration are no reason to be overly critical of them within days/weeks - not yet. Lets focus our current critique on the villains not the potential change agents. For "Now" at least.

And I agree; they cannot fix the issues of decades in days. They can however Create the climate of change we so badly need!

Give them an opportunity and support!
 

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Carols said:
And I agree; they cannot fix the issues of decades in days. They can however Create the climate of change we so badly need!

Give them an opportunity and support!

I do not think the sport has time.

I think the objective of the commission seen by UCI is the same reason that the civil service often does the very same thing - to take the heat out of a current situation so they can first of all delay the outcome, then quietly forget about it. Seen from McQuaids point of view, they want to delay the recommendations as long as possible , use his own "strategic review" to feed the enquiry so he can say that when the commision reports "UCI are implementing most of the measures, give them time"

Mostly with the objective of getting reelected before anyone has the chance
to call him on the basis of failure to implement, and in the hope a few stalling tactics can delay the report till after his reelection.

So the issue of ensuring management change has to be fought long before the bodies report- and that means starting on deciding who and what needs to be changed needs campaigining starting now. So thekey figures and plan are in place far enough ahead of elections to get all the stakeholders to buy into it.

I think the one key area to discuss is actually missing (I think) from the terms of reference - and probably a deliberate ommission - that is the contribution to the problem made by the structure of UCI and the need to reorganise to split the doping away from the sport promotion which has led to the hopeless conflicts of itnerest and so "managing" or supressing of "bad news" instead of conducting doping investigations and processes and reporting 0without fear or favour.

And that needs to happen Immediately for the sport to regain credibility.

"Same old" is no longer good enough.
 
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babastooey said:
Look, I get what you are saying...but when a sport's culture fades and devolves into corruption, the people who love the sport want to see it turned around sooner rather than later. Which is why I suppose they decided to name the group "Change Cycling Now" ... as opposed to "Change Cycling Eventually." I hope it is the former and not the latter.

And to add to my earlier comments on "Change Cycling Now" vs. "Change the UCI President Now" -- changing the leadership I feel is only a small component of changing the sport.

Ultimately, what needs to change is the mindset of the people who take the drugs. What most amazed me about reading Hamilton's book was that he blood doped and took whatever he was given -- seemingly without any thought to his health or well being. Change Cycling Now should use their members who have a doping past to speak about their personal experience and talk about the hazards to their well being from doing it. The goal being, that they should change the perspective of the riders -- so that they focus more on the dangers and the risks. Changing the UCI leadership would be helpful in this area, because it would present an opportunity to set up a system where riders can feel empowered -- that they have an advocate and a support network in the event that they are pressured by anyone associated with their team into doping -- and therefore can stand up to it. Before, riders either had to cheat or quit. Some quit, but most decided to cheat because they weren't educated about the health risks and they lacked the support to stand up for themselves and say no.

What also needs to change is that the sport needs to prove to its supporters -- who drive the efforts of sponsors to be involved in the sport and therefore provides the funding for the sport -- that the sport is clean and heading in the right direction. Otherwise, more sponsors will follow Rabobank out the door and cripple the sport. In order to accomplish this, the drug testing must be improved and the system as to how tests are administered must improve. Changing leadership would also be instrumental in this area as well.

I look forward to hearing how Change Cycling Now intends to address these two main points. Present a plan - change the culture -- not just leadership -- and win back the sponsors and fans. Challenge McQuaid to implement this ideas, and then when he refuses or drags his feet -- then make it clear that he is standing in the way of the progressive ideas they are advocating. I hope in these two areas they provide positive ideas and are successful at promoting them and do not waste their time playing politics, which I feel is not productive.

Hi Babastooey,

I think CCN have those two crucial topics at the forefront of their minds. As far as cultural change goes, they have Dr Hoberman onboard (a widely respected academic with a serious interest in this subject for 25 years).

Also, they have had the foresight to welcome Gianni Bugno, the Professional Riders Association head. This is on the surface a somewhat controversial move considering his recent post RD history and historical support for the UCI. My take is that more insightful members of the CCN panel are hoping to "work on him" and get him on-side, with the longer-term aim of effecting wider cultural change.

As far as CNN convincing the fan base of their bona fides, I rather think it's the other way around to a greater or lesser degree!

Judging by some of the attitudes and apparent obliviousness evident over on the PRR side of this site, CNN have their work cut out to gain critical mass & momentum.

This comes under remit of Hoberman again, who has identified this tendency amongst sports fans (not just in cycling) as one of the key cultural changes to be addressed before meaningful change can be effected.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

But most important of all right now, before any of this, is to get those two out and a (reluctant but willing) Greg in!
 
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Aleajactaest said:
Take the Rose Colored glasses off. I can understand how you differ on the drug front but Greg is a whiner of the first order. Even his followers should be able to see that. He whined when Hinault didn't play fair, he whined the first time another american made inroads in european racing. Yes Greg, I get it, you are fantastic. But, blowing your own horn incessantly just looks needy.

Well, now. I do agree that Greg has been known to whine sometimes. But, I've been following the guy since he was a junior in NV. I can't say he is anything as bad as the picture you have. And, if I recall correctly, he didn't whine when other Americans came to Europe - amof, as I recall, he was leading the welcome wagon. And as for blowing his own horn? Given what he accomplished, I don't think so man. He isn't doing half what he could to "blow his own horn". And, on top of that, he doesn't come off as arrogant, either.

So, on your post, I'm voting "DOWN in front!"
 
mountainrman said:
I think the one key area to discuss is actually missing (I think) from the terms of reference - and probably a deliberate ommission - that is the contribution to the problem made by the structure of UCI and the need to reorganise to split the doping away from the sport promotion which has led to the hopeless conflicts of itnerest and so "managing" or supressing of "bad news" instead of conducting doping investigations and processes and reporting 0without fear or favour.

Hate to rain on your parade, but had you read before citicising you'd see that the UCI IC's ToRs specifically refer to conflict of policing vs promoting. But hey, why let facts get in the way of nuttiness? Down the with the UCI IC! Down with it now!
 
Grandillusion said:
Also, they have had the foresight to welcome Gianni Bugno, the Professional Riders Association head. This is on the surface a somewhat controversial move considering his recent post RD history and historical support for the UCI. My take is that more insightful members of the CCN panel are hoping to "work on him" and get him on-side, with the longer-term aim of effecting wider cultural change.

What's the controversy WRT Bugno,the video cassettes in his briefcase which rattle when shaken? Bugno and McQuaid have openly warred in recent years. I would hardly call him a supporter of the current regime. Fact is Ashenden needs Bugno to sell his cure-doping-in-seven-months bot of magic to the peloton. What a pity he's alienated a large part of it by implying Cuddles and Wiggo are dopes and Fuller has alienated much of the rest with his comments about them being too scared to come to the meet-and-greet in London.