Chris Hoy The Real Decoy?

[JimmyFingers]

Sometimes it feels like the hog never left

 

[happychappy]

This thread tests positive for sock puppetry and ridiculous amounts of bashing the evil empire, again.

Meh, I'm part of the "evil empire". I love it when Wiggins/Sky crushes the cyclingnews.com forum heroes. Most people were laughing at Team Sky when they formed. They're not laughing now are they? Love it.

British cycling team winning races = bad. Italians with cute little nicknames like "nibbles" = can do no wrong. Super simple stuff.
British rider does well he must be doped! Pretty little Italian/Spanish rider does well it's natural talent, even when doped they're still more talented by default. You know, because.

I still think Hoy is a smug **** though. And I don't really like the attitude of a lot of Brits I come into contact with who seem to think there's NO WAY ON EARTH ANYONE IN ENGLAND WOULD EVER DOPE, THAT'S ONLY FOR THEM FOREIGNERS! THEY TOOK OUR JERBS! Which is just as ridiculous as the favoritism to certain riders shown by some people on this board.
I'm not saying "I think Chris Hoy is a doper". I'm saying something more along the lines of "is Hoy claiming to have never done _anything_ against the rules of cycling/wada? Not once? Not come into contact with ANYONE on any of his various training programs that has even the remotest hint of anything to do with doping?" Good for him if he's purer than the driven snow, but perhaps he should tone down on the holier than thou attitude considering the history of cycling.

 

[mastersracer]

Sometimes it feels like the hog never left

he didn't - just changed farm animal personas.

 

[ebandit]

seriously?

Can we take any of cycling seriously these days, all has become mickey mouse. With mickey mouse insinuations that they are doing it all on five a day and green tea. It isn't really sport Hollywood.

seriously? cycling...........it's sport not real life where there are real heroes
( and villians )

chris hoy has done well for himself............much dedication leading to great rewards..............he handles himself with dignity....lot's of talk here but no
facts

hoggie may i ask about your new avatar..........is that sastre..at the weekend?

 

[Mellow Velo]

I still think Hoy is a smug **** though.

I initially misread one letter of this line and thought: "too right".

 

[blackcat]

Should we be aware (wary) of those who claim whiter than white?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21304523

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sir chirs bobble head doll no roids

 

[blackcat]

Must be the reason why track cycling is not been taking seriously. Even Schwarzenegger could be a trackie.

their (sic) Tom Platz legs https://www.google.com/search?q=tom...&sugexp=chrome,mod=7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[oldcrank]

Gotta love the Clinic. Say something good about BMW like
Sir Chris did and all of a sudden you are a doper, but say
something bad about Wiggo and even if you are a doper
you suddenly have 35 new devotees. A little pathetic to
say the least.

 

[blackcat]

looks like doper
head like doper
talks like doper
smells like doper
not a duck
is cyclist

 

[blackcat]

Can we take any of cycling seriously these days, all has become mickey mouse. With mickey mouse insinuations that they are doing it all on five a day and green tea. It isn't really sport Hollywood.

quoted for posterity

 

[mastersracer]

more empty, self-loathing nonsense from the poster formerly known as Hog.

 

[BroDeal]

more empty, self-loathing nonsense from the poster formerly known as Hog.

I'll take that over your embarrassingly obsequious salad tossing any day.

 

[mastersracer]

I'll take that over your embarrassingly obsequious salad tossing any day.

I couldn't care less what you think about me, but these forums are getting ruined by utterly vacuous threads that have 0 discussion of even informed speculation. When a poster gets banned then comes back under an alias and continues the same libelous flame baiting threads, those threads should be closed. There is 0 discussion of anything pertaining to Hoy. It's just more BC/Sky bashing.

 

[blackcat]

yeah, rather than the one-issue voters.

most of the old timers know the other members of the clinic from about 4 other forums I can count these posters. some, including I, had a different handle.

think most of us, all actually, have now been proven correct in the fullness of time.

if you wanna include the Paceline, where some of us had I suppose one calls them, sockpuppets, it would be about 5, p'raps 6 forums we have posted on.

one issue voters are pretty easy to spot a ways away

 

[Mellow Velo]

looks like doper
head like doper
talks like doper
smells like doper
not a duck
is cyclist

The UCI could save a fortune on testing and passports, just by employing you and Fearless GL.

 

[horsinabout]

their (sic) Tom Platz legs https://www.google.com/search?q=tom...&sugexp=chrome,mod=7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It's not true anyone could do sprinting - this type of grotesque muscle would be too bulky and not aerodynamic. Sprinting is a unique talent you are born with. PED's enhance and surpass natural talent.

 

[peterst6906]

It's not true you anyone could do sprinting - this type of grotesque muscle would be too bulky and not aerodynamic. Sprinting is a unique talent you are born with. PED's enhance and surpass natural talent.

While generally there are limits to the level of muscularity to still be a good sprinter, there are some exceptions. Victoria Pendleton is a good example of the slim sprinter, but Anna Meares is at the other end, though in person is not as muscular as she looks in video or print. On the male side, the size has generally been increasing but there is also a lot more gym work done these days than in the past. Even so, aside from a couple of riders, most aren't as big in person as the impression from video or print gives.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Some of the track guys have legs as big if not bigger than pro bodybuilders, and we know how clean bodybuilders are....

bodybuilders? lol. that's like comparing apples and oranges. why don't you compare them to powerlifters that are clean? bodybuilders don't even have functional musclemass.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It was a question more than anything, I'm not as familiar with the track guys as the road guys. That picture didn't have any names attributed to it I didn't even know if it was a staged photo from bodybuilders as as I've seen it before.

I suggested Nandrolone because I've heard most anabolic steroids work on androgen receptors some of which die out in puberty and particularly those in the legs. Nandrolone partly works on progesterone receptors and for that reason causes more muscle mass in the legs than other anabolic drugs. I suggested Testosterone also because you can use that and pass a drug test days later whereas I believe Nandrolone shows up on tests for a while later.

ok, my bad then.

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Gotta love the Clinic. Say something good about BMW like
Sir Chris did and all of a sudden you are a doper, but say
something bad about Wiggo and even if you are a doper
you suddenly have 35 new devotees. A little pathetic to
say the least.

also the only place on earth where use of doping is measured on the size of your legs...

I'm sure 99% here have never even trained

 

[Zam_Olyas]

ok, my bad then.

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

I remember someone offering you a beach front property in Switzerland for a knock down price.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The UCI could save a fortune on testing and passports, just by employing you and Fearless GL.
....

Again a silly little personal attack Velo? Why the personal stuff again and again? Trully dissappointing man.

I do like Hoy, but be fair for once, look at the legs of those guys. Compare them to Theo Bos for example.

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

No keirin positives?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I don't know. I don't follow track sprinting much, only endurance. but like triathlon and marathon is has to be very clean

and your comparison to bos is beyond stupid. you don't know a thing about fysiology. if I train I grow enormous legs and if my neighbour trains he won't. look at the malaysians. they are very fast, but more explosive and less strenght. that is just human nature. go to a classroom and check the legs of all kids around 16, who never used anything. you can already see big differences there. robert forster has the biggest legs in the sprinting peloton on the road, yet someone like viviano who is way smaller is faster

 

[peterst6906]

Again a silly little personal attack Velo? Why the personal stuff again and again? Trully dissappointing man.

I do like Hoy, but be fair for once, look at the legs of those guys. Compare them to Theo Bos for example.No keirin positives?

Theo isn't that different to most track sprinters, and especially as he also competed in enduro events, a good comparison to Theo is Ed Clancy or Jack Bobridge.

The sprinters performing heaps of dead lifts and squats in the gym won't be competitive in anything longer than a Kieran sprint, not even in a 1 km time trial (which is shorter than a Kieran, but the effort is applied over the full distance unlike the Kieran).

Track riders who also ride the road are in almost all cases (I can't think of an exception at the moment) lean compared to dedicated track sprinters.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Theo isn't that different to most track sprinters, and especially as he also competed in enduro events, a good comparison to Theo is Ed Clancy or Jack Bobridge.

The sprinters performing heaps of dead lifts and squats in the gym won't be competitive in anything longer than a Kieran sprint, not even in a 1 km time trial (which is shorter than a Kieran, but the effort is applied over the full distance unlike the Kieran).

Track riders who also ride the road are in almost all cases (I can't think of an exception at the moment) lean compared to dedicated track sprinters.

track riders going to the road all come from endurance. only exception is bos, and so far his road career is one big joke.