Chris Hoy The Real Decoy?

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

do you know how much doping costs? most track cyclists make minimum wages

In Pro Cycling Manager or in real life?

 

[Mellow Velo]

In Pro Cycling Manager or in real life?

The maximum wage would surprise you.
The only exceptions being the elite of the elite.
There are material perks via sponsorship, of course.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The maximum wage would surprise you.
The only exceptions being the elite of the elite.
There are material perks via sponsorship, of course.

Wouldnt know, my PC crashed playing the 2009 version, really

Even had a one gigabyte videocard, stupid game. But hey, got Vacansoleil winning all three GT's! Helais Wout Poels and all the other riders who ride for them now - and talented - are sh@te in that game

Irl the salaries are market comform, of course...

 

[peterst6906]

do you know how much doping costs? most track cyclists make minimum wages

Yes, though that doesn't preclude them from access to PEDs.

A big difference between road and track is that track tends to be much more supported through governmental programs and funding, where road teams can survive off sponsorship, endorsements and other streams of revenue.

At the Elite level on the track if someone in the academy/sports institute/elite program/etc. has access to funds for PEDs, then the riders income doesn't matter.

Within Australia there are constant rumours about one of the elite level coaching staff. I don't know for certain either way, but where there's smoke...

On the road teams, pro riders are more likely to be able to support their own doping, whereas on the track, if it exists, it's more likely to be driven by someone senior in a development program.

At the amateur level, I haven't seen anything to suggest there is widespread PED use going on in track cycling.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Wouldnt know, my PC crashed playing the 2009 version, really

Even had a one gigabyte videocard, stupid game. But hey, got Vacansoleil winning all three GT's! Helais Wout Poels and all the other riders who ride for them now - and talented - are sh@te in that game

Irl the salaries are market comform, of course...

I take it this is your way of saying that you really aren't at all interested in the answer?
Oky doky. Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I take it this is your way of saying that you really aren't at all interested in the answer?
Oky doky. Can't say I'm surprised.

I am sorry you feel that way, can't you take a joke?

or do you just wanna be the funny man yourself?

Keep smiling man.

 

[coinneach]

Being a fan of Chris Hoy, and liking what he says and does most of the time, I keep looking at this thread hoping its going to say something relevant or interesting.
Hasn't happened yet: what actually does it take to have a thread closed down?

 

[mastersracer]

Being a fan of Chris Hoy, and liking what he says and does most of the time, I keep looking at this thread hoping its going to say something relevant or interesting.
Hasn't happened yet: what actually does it take to have a thread closed down?

I agree and asked the same question myself. There's not a single story I can find even suggesting Hoy might be doping - not even a whereabouts infraction that has dogged other track racers.

Having turned to track last year after racing on the road for a long time, I've come to appreciate how technical Hoy is, and videos of his racing are often used instructionally for teaching form and technique. His performances seem to be plausibly the results of the disciplined training he's known for and superb track skills.

 

[peterst6906]

I agree and asked the same question myself. There's not a single story I can find even suggesting Hoy might be doping - not even a whereabouts infraction that has dogged other track racers.

I would go as far to say that of any elite rider in any discipline, I have the most confidence in Hoy being clean.

 

[blackcat]

It's not true anyone could do sprinting - this type of grotesque muscle would be too bulky and not aerodynamic. Sprinting is a unique talent you are born with. PED's enhance and surpass natural talent.

cavs best asset is his aero profile. he has the longest sprint, can hold it for close to 300 metres, only the best few sprinters could possibly come around him if he was a leadout man going at 100%.

greipels power might be greater, but with his aero profile, his terminal velocity is less.

mcewen, even retired, has a better jump. but not enough that it won him any sprints in the past three years against cav.and mcewen has better handling.

that said, in the current peloton, there would be few if any, with a better jump, or bike handling than frodo.

perhaps francisco chicchi.

 

[blackcat]

I would go as far to say that of any elite rider in any discipline, I have the most confidence in Hoy being clean.

have a look at the mans head, and compare it to a pic in the late 90s. you dont even have to look at his quads, or compare his kilo times to taylor phinney as a 20yo. I think TP have a faster pb as a 19 or 20yo in the kilo than Hoy. your knight, he aint clean, never was.

but he makes a fine hypocrite for a knight.

 

[blackcat]

The UCI could save a fortune on testing and passports, just by employing you and Fearless GL.
Or maybe you fancy replacing a couple of airport scanners. Are you able to check luggage as well?

Utter garbage, even by your low standards.

/humour fails on you

 

[peterst6906]

have a look at the mans head, and compare it to a pic in the late 90s.

Awesome biometric analysis popping up again. I think I noticed in one photo that the hair on the back of his fingers was a little longer than normal. HGH right there.

 

[blackcat]

His performances seem to be plausibly the results of the disciplined training he's known for and superb track skills.

how they heck do you know they are plausible.

you do realise that when Armstrong, or any other athlete, be it Djokavic or another sport, starts talking work ethic work ethic work ethic, ethic ethic ethic works, that he or she, Radcliffe, whoever, they are competing against a similar stock of athletes, who have such a work ethic, and have the coaches and the training miles in them. It is all relative. Your position suggests, this is one competitive advantage that is exclusive to your person. Because he is quite eloquent, and went to St Andrews. One is just see a mirror and a reflection to their ideals and aspiration in him.

you have no knowledge of hoy, or insight. tis the shibboleths of professional cyclists.

 

[blackcat]

Awesome biometric analysis popping up again. I think I noticed in one photo that the hair on the back of his fingers was a little longer than normal. HGH right there.

yeah, its phrenology

 

[blackcat]

ok, my bad then.

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

think you need to make it less ambiguous you are being sarcastic Ryo.

 

[blackcat]

Even had a one gigabyte videocard, stupid game. But hey, got Vacansoleil winning all three GT's!

this

is definition of genius

better than peds

 

[blackcat]

Being a fan of Chris Hoy, and liking what he says and does most of the time, I keep looking at this thread hoping its going to say something relevant or interesting.
Hasn't happened yet: what actually does it take to have a thread closed down?

your assumption that we dont know him is correct.

the assumption that you do and he is not the type is false.

the Clinic 12 do know cycling however, and track and trank sprint is no different, just the aids are different

 

[coinneach]

your assumption that we dont know him is correct.

the assumption that you do and he is not the type is false.

the Clinic 12 do know cycling however, and track and trank sprint is no different, just the aids are different

You are wrong, my assumption is that if someone is being discussed in the clinic, there is something that links them with PED's. So far, on this thread, we have had a photo of his thighs and mention of photos of his head. And, besides that, a lot of irrelevant drivel.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

your assumption that we dont know him is correct.

the assumption that you do and he is not the type is false.

the Clinic 12 do know cycling however, and track and trank sprint is no different, just the aids are different

So as has been mentioned. So far he has

Spoken against dopers
Wins a lot
Has big legs

The sad thing is that some people here seem to think that anyone of a muscular physique could only have achieved it via doping. Of course they could be doping but the fact that a full time sportsman is his field has bigger than average legs implies that he is doping is laughable.

Then again aren't you convinced that David Moncoutie is doping?

 

[JimmyFingers]

So as has been mentioned. So far he has

Spoken against dopers
Wins a lot
Has big legs

The sad thing is that some people here seem to think that anyone of a muscular physique could only have achieved it via doping. Of course they could be doping but the fact that a full time sportsman is his field has bigger than average legs implies that he is doping is laughable.

Then again aren't you convinced that David Moncoutie is doping?

This. It is a spurious thread, started because the rider has actually spoken out against dopers, and more singled out because of his nationality and this forum's continued targeting of BC, despite a complete lack of direct evidence, circumstantial evidence or even rumour, and despite a consistent and vocal anti-doping stance throughout his career.

Oh yeah he has big thighs. Case closed.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

/humour fails on you

and admins seem to fail on you hoggie

 

[gillan1969]

This. It is a spurious thread, started because the rider has actually spoken out against dopers, and more singled out because of his nationality and this forum's continued targeting of BC, despite a complete lack of direct evidence, circumstantial evidence or even rumour, and despite a consistent and vocal anti-doping stance throughout his career.

Oh yeah he has big thighs. Case closed.

evidence would suggest that the vast majority of professional cyclist take PEDS...chris hoy is a professional cyclist...therefore.................

if you would like any professional cyclist, hoy or otherwise, to be assumed to be clean it might be an idea to remove 'haud it 'n' daud it' from the sports governing body...however Hoy's boss has just endorsed them....

it is therefore an entirely logical assumption to make...

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

evidence would suggest that the vast majority of professional cyclist take PEDS...chris hoy is a professional cyclist...therefore.................

if you would like any professional cyclist, hoy or otherwise, to be assumed to be clean it might be an idea to remove 'haud it 'n' daud it' from the sports governing body...however Hoy's boss has just endorsed them....

it is therefore an entirely logical assumption to make...

So the long and short of your post is that you have nothing.

 

[gillan1969]

So the long and short of your post is that you have nothing.

that's the point...i don't need anything...it should be taken as a given unless proved otherwise...

so...what do you have that would prove otherwise?