Chris Hoy The Real Decoy?

[peterst6906]

track riders going to the road all come from endurance. only exception is bos, and so far his road career is one big joke.

He certainly hasn't met expectations and yep, endurance track riders often switch over to road, but rarely in the case of sprinters.

 

[Ferminal]

Theo isn't that different to most track sprinters, and especially as he also competed in enduro events, a good comparison to Theo is Ed Clancy or Jack Bobridge.

The sprinters performing heaps of dead lifts and squats in the gym won't be competitive in anything longer than a Kieran sprint, not even in a 1 km time trial (which is shorter than a Kieran, but the effort is applied over the full distance unlike the Kieran).

Track riders who also ride the road are in almost all cases (I can't think of an exception at the moment) lean compared to dedicated track sprinters.

Bos only started riding Track Endurance since he started his transition onto the road. Not sure how you can compare him to Bobridge who is a pure pursuiter and probably 20s faster over 4km. Clancy is a fair comparison to today's Bos given his competence in the Kilo and lack of road endurance (though Bos is obviously a much faster finisher).

 

[Dear Wiggo]

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

Rob Hayles, 2008 World champs, out for Hct 50.3%
Same champs, Dutch rider sent home for anomalous blood values. That Dutch rider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Ligthart) chose to peak for 2 races in 2011, and won them both, including the Dutch national road champs.

Just 2 examples off the top of my head, but Martin Vinnicombe and a few other Aussie track riders were pinged for drugs or had more rumours than you could shake a didgeridoo at.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Again a silly little personal attack Velo? Why the personal stuff again and again? Trully dissappointing man.

I do like Hoy, but be fair for once, look at the legs of those guys. Compare them to Theo Bos for example.No keirin positives?

Silly claims tend to lead to silly responses.
No amount of "experience" of watching, or having a "sensitive" nose can enable posters to become cycling's equivalent of a trained sniffer dog.

Keep it real is all I ask, like your second sentence.

Hoy might have large thighs, but if that were a pure indicator of doping, why are we not talking Robert Forstermann, here?

Trackies spend as much time pushing weights as riding bikes.

 

[Mellow Velo]

ok, my bad then.

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

Victoria Baranov, prior to the London games.
I could say more about her............but I won't on here.

 

[SundayRider]

bodybuilders? lol. that's like comparing apples and oranges. why don't you compare them to powerlifters that are clean? bodybuilders don't even have functional musclemass.

I wasn't talking about functionality or anything like that just in pure size the fact that some of the track guys legs are as big as pro bodybuilders - who are not clean at all.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Silly claims tend to lead to silly responses.
No amount of "experience" of watching, or having a "sensitive" nose can enable posters to become cycling's equivalent of a trained sniffer dog.

Keep it real is all I ask, like your second sentence.

Hoy might have large thighs, but if that were a pure indicator of doping, why are we not talking Robert Forstermann, here?

Trackies spend as much time pushing weights as riding bikes.

Just seems you can not stop, I will ignore it.

I see six legs on that picture too, no doubt about that, that's why I said 'those legs' in my previous post. We all know Germans do not dope Mellow.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Just seems you can not stop, I will ignore it.

I see six legs on that picture too, no doubt about that, that's why I said 'those legs' in my previous post. We all know Germans do not dope Mellow.

I you read it properly, you would see that I had stopped.

I repeat. Keep it real, is all I ask.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Rob Hayles, 2008 World champs, out for Hct 50.3%
Same champs, Dutch rider sent home for anomalous blood values. That Dutch rider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Ligthart) chose to peak for 2 races in 2011, and won them both, including the Dutch national road champs.

Just 2 examples off the top of my head, but Martin Vinnicombe and a few other Aussie track riders were pinged for drugs or had more rumours than you could shake a didgeridoo at.

those weren't caught on doping though.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Victoria Baranov, prior to the London games.
I could say more about her............but I won't on here.

ok I never watch and don't care for womans sports. but any men?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I wasn't talking about functionality or anything like that just in pure size the fact that some of the track guys legs are as big as pro bodybuilders - who are not clean at all.

some? only forstemann could be argued and he isn't exactly winning gold

 

[JimmyFingers]

Hoy has been solid on his anti-doping stance and was very vocal when the CAS overturned the BOA's life-time ban for dopers competing for the team at the Olympics.

So the British wanted to ban their athlete's who cheated for life, the Court of Arbitration over-turned that ban.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ol...Hoy-hopes-BOA-win-CAS-case.html#axzz2Jvsjq4dU

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/13/london-2012-olympics-david-millar

Very consistent in his viewpoint, always vocal in his criticism, guaranteed on that back of that the clinic start a thread about him doping, much like Nicole Cooke.

You speak out about drugs, you're a doper, you stay silent, you're a doper. basically if you ride a bike you're a doper. I think sometimes you have to put the brakes on and try to take a more objective, balanced view of things.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Hoy has been solid on his anti-doping stance and was very vocal when the CAS overturned the BOA's life-time ban for dopers competing for the team at the Olympics.

So the British wanted to ban their athlete's who cheated for life, the Court of Arbitration over-turned that ban.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ol...Hoy-hopes-BOA-win-CAS-case.html#axzz2Jvsjq4dU

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/13/london-2012-olympics-david-millar

Very consistent in his viewpoint, always vocal in his criticism, guaranteed on that back of that the clinic start a thread about him doping, much like Nicole Cooke.

You speak out about drugs, you're a doper, you stay silent, you're a doper. basically if you ride a bike you're a doper. I think sometimes you have to put the brakes on and try to take a more objective, balanced view of things.

this is the clinic. LOL

 

[horsinabout]

ok, my bad then.

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

Jan Van Edjen did at the end of the ninties. Ended his career as h was removed from the German squad. He now has a certificate claiming he has a naturally high Haemocrit level over 50%. Personally I find that harder than hard to believe as genitically this only happens to small groups of people with mutant genes.

I believe blood doping would greatly help with sprinting as recovery from training bouts is aerobic, need to replenish the glycogen used up in the muscles. Actual sprint training is anaerobic, requiring large white fibre muscles that store glycogen. Sprint training is specialist power stuff, but still requires high levels of aerobic fitness too.

 

[FitSsikS]

Track cyclists are as likely to dope as are track and field athletes.

Did we discuss elsewhere in the forum that the T/E ratio (limit) for the Olympics is 4/1?

Any power athlete would be unlikely to want to be anywhere the 1/1 normal 'average'.

So I guy could easily dope and be err...clean (within the rules).

I don't know. I don't follow track sprinting much, only endurance. but like triathlon and marathon is has to be very clean.

You forgot the 'sarcasm' smilie.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Jan Van Edjen did at the end of the ninties. Ended his career as h was removed from the German squad. He now has a certificate claiming he has a naturally high Haemocrit level over 50%. Personally I find that harder than hard to believe as genitically this only happens to small groups of people with mutant genes.

I believe blood doping would greatly help with sprinting as recovery from training bouts is aerobic, need to replenish the glycogen used up in the muscles. Actual sprint training is anaerobic, requiring large white fibre muscles that store glycogen. Sprint training is specialist power stuff, but still requires high levels of aerobic fitness too.

no it doesn;t. it's very much to do with "erfelijkheid" my dad has natural hematocrite of over 50 and my uncles as well and me as well.

it's very rare, but has nothing to do with mutant genes.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Track cyclists are as likely to dope as are track and field athletes.

Did we discuss elsewhere in the forum that the T/E ratio (limit) for the Olympics is 4/1?

Any power athlete would be unlikely to want to be anywhere the 1/1 normal 'average'.

So I guy could easily dope and be err...clean (within the rules).



You forgot the 'sarcasm' smilie.

oh then please enlighten me with all the marathon and thriathlon athletes being caught on doping in the past.

and the comparison between track cycling and track and field is pathetic

 

[horsinabout]

no it doesn;t. it's very much to do with "erfelijkheid" my dad has natural hematocrite of over 50 and my uncles as well and me as well.

it's very rare, but has nothing to do with mutant genes.

Sorry you will have to explain what "erkelijkheid" is because I have not heard of this. Obviously foreign language.

I once saw a documentary about high naturally occuring haemo levels in cc skiers, and I am pretty sure they said it runs in families, usually in villages where families have lived for hundreds of years, which by deduction means it has a genetic component.

We agree on one thing, it is very rare.

 

[ebandit]

blessed

We agree on one thing, it is very rare.

do you think that chris hoy is 'blessed' with this condition like your hero

alberto

if not discussions are gone............away at a tangent

 

[FitSsikS]

and the comparison between track cycling and track and field is pathetic

..and when you say pathetic you mean physiologically identical?

 

[hiero2]

ok, my bad then.

in my memory never has a track rider been caught on doping. I think it is very clean. steroid use is the easiest to detect anyway.

What about Tammi? US female track rider? You can find her pic in the 1st pages of babes on bikes, and a sad sight it is, too.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Sorry you will have to explain what "erkelijkheid" is because I have not heard of this. Obviously foreign language.

I once saw a documentary about high naturally occuring heamo levels in cc skiers, and I am pretty sure they said it runs in families, usually in villages where families have lived for hundreds of years, which by deduction means it has a genetic component.

We agree on one thing, it is very rare.

hereditary

Must be Japanese/Columbian slang.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

no it doesn;t. it's very much to do with "erfelijkheid" my dad has natural hematocrite of over 50 and my uncles as well and me as well.

it's very rare, but has nothing to do with mutant genes.

kid denies XYZ attribute is genetic.

kid provides evidence of genetic XYZ attribute inheritance being passed down from generation to generation.

*mind explodes*

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Sorry you will have to explain what "erkelijkheid" is because I have not heard of this. Obviously foreign language.

I once saw a documentary about high naturally occuring heamo levels in cc skiers, and I am pretty sure they said it runs in families, usually in villages where families have lived for hundreds of years, which by deduction means it has a genetic component.

We agree on one thing, it is very rare.

I mean genetics yes. but you pass it on in family. that's what "erfelijkheid" means. also danny nelissen had this. I know he recently admitted to doping, but the reason he won wc in ecuador was because he had hematocrite like the locals and in his case was also family thing

also it isn't rare per se. in himayalay and andes this is more common where for thousands of years people have lived in altitudes of 4000+ metres. number of colombian riders have and have had in the past documentation to clear them from high hematocrites and in skieeing I think the border is even 52%

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

..and when you say pathetic you mean physiologically identical?

do you know how much doping costs? most track cyclists make minimum wages