Teams & Riders Cian Uijtdebroeks - From the wetlands to the top of cycling

[Elos Anjos]

No one likes this guy
Nice job, kid.

 

[Netserk]

No one likes this guy
Nice job, kid.

Outside of Belgium, that is.

 

[pastronef]

I probably never cheered against a rider as much as I do with Ujitdebroeks

 

[Andre]

I hope he wins Le Tour one day. And the Giro. And La Vuelta while he's at it.

 

[pastronef]

I hope he wins Le Tour one day. And the Giro. And La Vuelta while he's at it.

he surely has the talent. I'll probably won't be an anti-Cian anymore by the time he wins. it was just very distasteful and egotistic the way he left Bora after they put a lot efforts in his development

 

[Rackham]

He was beaten by Froome in the ITT today.

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1764678725763797180

View: https://twitter.com/bsirnik/status/1764678725763797180

 

[repre]

No one likes this guy
Nice job, kid.

I like him, he had a courage to call out his former employee for inappropriate working conditions. You have to have guts to go this way.

 

[Netserk]

I like him, he had a courage to call out his former employee for inappropriate working conditions. You have to have guts to go this way.

He hasn't. Or I'd very much appreciate a link to him being quoted for that.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

His ITT wouldn't stand out so much if moaning about poor ITT support by Bora wasn't specifically what led to him breaking his contract with Bora and screwing them out of a GT top 10 climber on a dirt cheap wage for a year.

he surely has the talent. I'll probably won't be an anti-Cian anymore by the time he wins. it was just very distasteful and egotistic the way he left Bora after they put a lot efforts in his development

Maybe if they had paid him more, if they matched his contract to his talent, maybe he wouldn't have left? Did that ever cross your minds? Actually they would have been able to get a fat payday for the efforts they put in his development, or for getting screwed out of a GT top 10 climber. Because breaking out of a contract is as costly as the equivalent in wages.

 

[Netserk]

Maybe if they had paid him more, if they matched his contract to his talent, maybe he wouldn't have left?

They offered him a contract extension. Naturally, he'd be on a higher wage then.

These are the words of Attila Valter:

"My roommate here was Cian Uijtdebroeks, but he went home yesterday. He told me, that Bora wanted to sign him until at least 2025 as soon as possible, but he didn’t want. He told them, that he will still leave them one day.

And that was the moment when he realized, that he wants to leave the Bora team immediately after the 2023 season because he was afraid, that the Bora people might be angry with him and they would not let him ride any GrandTour in this season because of that.

He told me, that he didn’t feel well in the Bora team, but he said that the WhatsApp group and these strange bullying rumors were not in the Bora and he doesn’t understand what journalists were talking about.

Now that we have been working for some time with him, nobody could have a bad word about him, because he is a quiet and polite person and what I can see that can change in 1-2 years is that he can be really ambitious.

And what I found interesting about him is that he can not sit for 10 minutes in one place. Even on what should be rest days, he goes to the gym or even for a ride twice a day, which can be counterproductive. It will be interesting to see, how the trainers will keep him back.

But generally, he is a different guy. As a 19-year-old young boy, he basically doesn’t have any other life except that cycling life. But maybe because of that some older guys at Bora told him something about that."

 

[Extinction]

He was beaten by Froome in the ITT today.

Well, let's hope it's because he was told to conserve energy, so as to be 100% in on the climbs in support of Vingegaard. Otherwise that's really bad, but I think the previous statment is the more likely explanation.

 

[Netserk]

If he refuses to sign a new contract at a higher wage, what exactly is it you blame Bora for?

 

[Rackham]

Well, let's hope it's because he was told to conserve energy, so as to be 100% in on the climbs in support of Vingegaard. Otherwise that's really bad, but I think the previous statment is the more likely explanation.

I don't think Vingegaard needs anyone's help tbh. He'll likely go all in on one of the harder stages & seal the GC from a long range attack.

As for Uijtdebroeks, whether it's fair or not, he now has to deliver results. He basically jumped out of the comfort zone he had at Bora & will now be judged based on his placings. He basically can't throw his neo-pro situation at Bora in the trash & demand a role with the big boys of pro-cycling... without there being some expectations regarding his performances.

I mean I'm projecting down the road here but for example if he's a bit rubbish in Tirreno & has a bad Giro, then he won't be immune from criticism considering how he orchestrated his departure from Bora.

 

[Berniece]

Based on current competitors in the Giro I can see him ride top 5

 

[Filippo_3467]

Maybe if they had paid him more, if they matched his contract to his talent, maybe he wouldn't have left? Did that ever cross your minds? Actually they would have been able to get a fat payday for the efforts they put in his development, or for getting screwed out of a GT top 10 climber. Because breaking out of a contract is as costly as the equivalent in wages.

Breaking news: adults are not responsible for contracts they sign

I can't stop laughing when I look at the TT result. Should break his contract and go to UAE. Way better TT material.

 

[Extinction]

I don't think Vingegaard needs anyone's help tbh. He'll likely go all in on one of the harder stages & seal the GC from a long range attack.

As for Uijtdebroeks, whether it's fair or not, he now has to deliver results. He basically jumped out of the comfort zone he had at Bora & will now be judged based on his placings. He basically can't throw his neo-pro situation at Bora in the trash & demand a role with the big boys of pro-cycling... without there being some expectations regarding his performances.

I mean I'm projecting down the road here but for example if he's a bit rubbish in Tirreno & has a bad Giro, then he won't be immune from criticism considering how he orchestrated his departure from Bora.

In just find it strange that his TT was so bad, given his talent, if he was actually giving it his all, which indeed would not be a good sign after having been so vocal about Bora not "delivering" for him. Now he needs to deliver for Visma, but today was not such a case, unless he is riding solely in the domestique role, for which he would not have gone max in today's TT.

 

[Froome]

Breaking news: adults are not responsible for contracts they sign

I can't stop laughing when I look at the TT result. Should break his contract and go to UAE. Way better TT material.

UAE material was also better last year before the Tour, and then in the Tour.....it's not about the material. Uijdtbroeks has a bad position in TT, he should take his own responsabilities, and try to improve.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Breaking news: adults are not responsible for contracts they sign

I can't stop laughing when I look at the TT result. Should break his contract and go to UAE. Way better TT material.

Breaking news, individuals can change their minds and slavery no longer allowed in Europe.

 

[Netserk]

UAE material was also better last year before the Tour, and then in the Tour.....it's not about the material. Uijdtbroeks has a bad position in TT, he should take his own responsabilities, and try to improve.

The UAE TT-setup is heavier than that of Visma/Jumbo, so even if they are faster on the flat, that doesn't mean that they are faster in a MTT like in the Tour.

 

[Netserk]

Breaking news, individuals can change their minds and slavery no longer allowed in Europe.

He is free to break his contract as per labour laws, but to be allowed by UCI to ride for another team, it has to be approved by the rules of the UCI.

His initial termination of contract was beginning of December, but the agreement they finally reached with Bora was from the end of the year. So clearly the initial termination wasn't by the book (just like Van Aert's also wasn't).

 

[Gargamel35]

Breaking news, individuals can change their minds and slavery no longer allowed in Europe.

Don't be so salty. Based on his performance, Visma will have to pay him even less.

 

[Netserk]

And yet that wasn't what the discussion was about. And just as in common law, it is possible for all parties to "settle", to reach an agreement. Which they did or he wouldn't be riding now. Iirc, Van Aert's case is still not settled.

I think most care about the sporting consequences, including whether or not he can ride for Visma this year, not who pays him for not riding any races. So UCI rules before labour laws.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think most care about the sporting consequences, including whether or not he can ride for Visma this year, not who pays him for not riding any races. So UCI rules before labour laws.

I don't disagree with that, but that doesn't change the fact that all parties came to a settlement. Nor does it change the fact, which i was discussing, that had Bora given him a better contract deal earlier, he might not have left at all, or wouldn't have been able to leave "on the cheap".

 

[Netserk]

I don't disagree with that, but that doesn't change the fact that all parties came to a settlement. Nor does it change the fact, which i was discussing, that had Bora given him a better contract deal earlier, he might not have left at all, or wouldn't have been able to leave "on the cheap".

He was on his first contract, but from the response you ignored previously: "He told me, that Bora wanted to sign him until at least 2025 as soon as possible".

When was this "earlier" where they should have offered him what exactly? And what could they do if he refused to sign any new contract?