Teams & Riders Cian Uijtdebroeks - From the wetlands to the top of cycling

[Berniece]

I must confess to being something of a Visma fanboy, that being said I really don't quite understand the level of attention that blobloblo gets. Granted he's only 21 and he hangs on well, but that's really all he does. He seems to have absolutely no snap at all, zero ability to change speed, and yet for a mega-diesel his TT skills(?) are surprisingly mediocre. Plus he pedals like he's trying to kick holes in the pavement. With all that and the way he came over to Visma I gotta say I have a hard time warming up to him. He may be my least favorite Visma rider since Tobias Foss.

Check his interview, it’s a breath of fresh air compared to most riders. You can see he really loves cycling

 

[Wvv]

DNS Cian. Sick.

Very sad, convinced he was ready for top 5 and I think he even could've come close to the podium.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Damn, that's tough. He's not been doing so great this year, but he was actually looking quite good this Giro. I thought he was on his way to a top 5 here.

 

[Berniece]

What a bummer, he must also have a fever like Kooij had. They don't race anymore when they have a fever since this could create a heart condition on long term

 

[Didinho]

Better no sports with a fever. Getting ready for the Tour now maybe if Vingo can’t make it?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Pity that he had to quit before being annihilataed in the TT.

 

[samhocking]

What a bummer, he must also have a fever like Kooij had. They don't race anymore when they have a fever since this could create a heart condition on long term

There's a lot of pollen allergy in the peloton causing respiratory and asthma issues at the moment. I've often got sick with allergies when racing and training through it. It's ok for a couple of days, you just feel like you're having bad days back to back and just always pushing at 100% to keep up, then that pushing 100% all the time ends up making you sick. The body knows it has to stop when allergies get that high imo.

 

[Rackham]

Better no sports with a fever. Getting ready for the Tour now maybe if Vingo can’t make it?

I doubt it. For GC in the Tour they'll have Kuss & Jorgenson whilst Uijtebroeks won't have the right preparation.

Seriously though I don't know what's going on with pro cycling anymore. I think teams need to be a little bit more open about the level of sickness which leads to a DNF because a GT was always about managing this stuff. It's totally normal to get fever, illness & all the rest (including upset stomach) during a 3 week stage race. Pollen allergies also aren't 'new' aka it's not like this problem didn't exist 30 years ago.

I don't know but finishing a GT in whatever condition (as long as it's not career threatening or worse) has always been part of the sport.

 

[shadowrider]

There's a lot of pollen allergy in the peloton causing respiratory and asthma issues at the moment. I've often got sick with allergies when racing and training through it. It's ok for a couple of days, you just feel like you're having bad days back to back and just always pushing at 100% to keep up, then that pushing 100% all the time ends up making you sick. The body knows it has to stop when allergies get that high imo.

This (viral infections) has nothing to do with pollen allergy. The first day of viral illness may resemble at a pollen allergy. From the second day it becomes obvious it's a viral infection (fever, other symptoms).

 

[shadowrider]

I doubt it. For GC in the Tour they'll have Kuss & Jorgenson whilst Uijtebroeks won't have the right preparation.

Seriously though I don't know what's going on with pro cycling anymore. I think teams need to be a little bit more open about the level of sickness which leads to a DNF because a GT was always about managing this stuff. It's totally normal to get fever, illness & all the rest (including upset stomach) during a 3 week stage race. Pollen allergies also aren't 'new' aka it's not like this problem didn't exist 30 years ago.

I don't know but finishing a GT in whatever condition (as long as it's not career threatening or worse) has always been part of the sport.

You're totally wrong. Racing with a viral illness and especially with a fever is totally irresponsible. It not only affects the physical resilience of the rider for the following months (rest of the season). But there is a real chance of a heartinflamation. So, stop spreading fake news.

 

[tobydawq]

You're totally wrong. Racing with a viral illness and especially with a fever is totally irresponsible. It not only affects the physical resilience of the rider for the following months (rest of the season). But there is a real chance of a heartinflamation. So, stop spreading fake news.

It's not like riders of earlier times dropped dead because they rode on with a little sickness.

 

[Rackham]

You're totally wrong. Racing with a viral illness and especially with a fever is totally irresponsible. It not only affects the physical resilience of the rider for the following months (rest of the season). But there is a real chance of a heartinflamation. So, stop spreading fake news.

I'd be inclined to totally accept opposing views here (especially because I'm literally just posting a benign 'opinion' here) but since you accused me of spreading 'fake news', how about no?

I'm not a news outlet, I'm just a random poster on cycling forum. You don't get to police opinion like that. My point stands because there's quite a few examples in the history of this sport of riders riding a GT with a condition which some might call 'irresponsible' under certain circumstances.

Visma meanwhile have riders dropping like flies all over the place, i.e. Laporte for the same reason during Milan-Sanremo (from which he still hasn't recovered irrespective of his Giro crash, aka his form has been nonexistent since March) & now Kooij + Uijtebroeks.

I have no idea what's going on over there.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Likely a good opportunity for Cian to go to the Tour as a co leader.

 

[Salvarani]

Damn, that's tough. He's not been doing so great this year, but he was actually looking quite good this Giro. I thought he was on his way to a top 5 here.

Climbs well, even though he doesnt look very comfortable on the bike. Maybe just his technique or lack there of.

Falling behind on the flat and having to chase, poor TT... it will be hard for him to be a winnner unless he improves or is just that much stronger than everybody else on the climbs. I dont really see that happening.

Shame getting sick but Tiberi would have likely taking a lot of time in the ITT that is left. He would have had to hope for a really bad day for Tiberi in the mountians to win the Youth classification.

 

[peterfin]

I think it is responsible from Visma to withdraw a rider with fever. Quickstep did the same with Remco. I do wonder if all teams have this atittude? If Pogacar would have clear signs of a viral infection, would UAE do the same? Pog at 90% may win the giro but the real risk will obviously be what happens next.

 

[Salvarani]

I think it is responsible from Visma to withdraw a rider with fever. Quickstep did the same with Remco. I do wonder if all teams have this atittude? If Pogacar would have clear signs of a viral infection, would UAE do the same? Pog at 90% may win the giro but the real risk will obviously be what happens next.

Lets turn everything into talking about Pog.

 

[Salvarani]

It's not like riders of earlier times dropped dead because they rode on with a little sickness.

Most riders are huffing and puffing during or towards the end of a GT.

It is really these "little" things that do the most damage in the end.

I guess it is up to each one to decide if they can ride or not. Here I feel like it is both to think about his well-being and to protect him from scrutiny... a bad result... than to let him continue. Cian probably goes Vuelta again now, which might be the best option.

 

[Berniece]

Better no sports with a fever. Getting ready for the Tour now maybe if Vingo can’t make it?

Would make more sense to build towards a Vuelta now. Would be a bit premature to drop him into the circus that is the TDF. On the other hand, Evenepoel is there with a specific goal, so he will take the Belgian media spotlight away from Uijtdebroeks.

 

[Rackham]

Would make more sense to build towards a Vuelta now. Would be a bit premature to drop him into the circus that is the TDF. On the other hand, Evenepoel is there with a specific goal, so he will take the Belgian media spotlight away from Uijtdebroeks.

I can't see Visma taking 3 GC riders to the Vuelta.

It should be Vingegaard + Kuss for GC. I don't see how Uijtebroeks fits into their plans there unless Vingegaard hasn't recovered/or something happens to Kuss.

 

[Berniece]

I can't see Visma taking 3 GC riders to the Vuelta.

It should be Vingegaard + Kuss for GC. I don't see how Uijtebroeks fits into their plans there unless Vingegaard hasn't recovered/or something happens to Kuss.

They did that last year? Also I can see Uijtdebroeks being comfortable as a domestique for someone as Vingegaard and learn from it.

I wouldn't prep him for the TDF now, he can only fail there.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Visma getting ready for Vingegaard to be absent from the Tour team.

 

[samhocking]

This (viral infections) has nothing to do with pollen allergy. The first day of viral illness may resemble at a pollen allergy. From the second day it becomes obvious it's a viral infection (fever, other symptoms).

It depends. Sinusitis is basically a viral infection caused by prolonged allergies, but of course if the body is fighting allergies while racing at 100%, viral defence can weaken as is happening anyway in stage racing and illness is all interlinked with various causes.
Of course I don't know the cause for him, my comment was just a general observation from several riders including Pogacar saying pollen and allergies/asthma are causing riders issues through the peloton.

 

[shadowrider]

I'd be inclined to totally accept opposing views here (especially because I'm literally just posting a benign 'opinion' here) but since you accused me of spreading 'fake news', how about no?

I'm not a news outlet, I'm just a random poster on cycling forum. You don't get to police opinion like that. My point stands because there's quite a few examples in the history of this sport of riders riding a GT with a condition which some might call 'irresponsible' under certain circumstances.

Visma meanwhile have riders dropping like flies all over the place, i.e. Laporte for the same reason during Milan-Sanremo (from which he still hasn't recovered irrespective of his Giro crash, aka his form has been nonexistent since March) & now Kooij + Uijtebroeks.

I have no idea what's going on over there.

I challenge you to post a scientific work here demonstrating that top-level sport with a fever is not dangerous. Strenuous exercise (toplevel cycling) with a viral infection and fever will not always lead to (long term) physical and heart damage. But it sometimes/often will. Deny this is irresponsible.

There are plenty of examples of top athletes who never reached their best level again. Some even had to quit top sports. Some even died from it.

 

[shadowrider]

It depends. Sinusitis is basically a viral infection caused by prolonged allergies, but of course if the body is fighting allergies while racing at 100%, viral defence can weaken as is happening anyway in stage racing and illness is all interlinked with various causes.
Of course I don't know the cause for him, my comment was just a general observation from several riders including Pogacar saying pollen and allergies/asthma are causing riders issues through the peloton.

A viral infection caused by allergies ??????
Viral infections are often the reason of sinusitis. But not everyone with viral infections gets sinusitis. Good thing, too.

"pollen and allergies/asthma are causing riders issues through the peloton". Yes, causing symptoms which may initially resemble the first symptoms of a viral infection. But "pollen" have nothing to do with viral infections. Allergies are annoying and can affect performance. But in themselves they are not dangerous for the body and heart (unless the reaction is very extreme due to intolerance of certain foodsubstances or after wasp stings). But competitioncycling with a (severe) viral infection and fever is irresponsible.

 

[ManicJack]

Seriously though I don't know what's going on with pro cycling anymore. I think teams need to be a little bit more open about the level of sickness which leads to a DNF because a GT was

LOL. It's none of your or my business.