Belgian law also applies irrespective of applicable law was chosen in the employment contract. A person can always invoke compulsory labour statutes form the country in which he is a resident. Depending on the choice of jurisdiction in the contract you could end up with a German or Austrian court having to rule on Belgian labour law statutes.
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I studied the example @joseph89 provided and i don't feel that it really applies here. At least not directly in regards to 2024 season and the UCI decision. Bora and Visma are not Belgian teams and as mentioned FIFA doesn't pay any attention to this rule if clubs outside of Belgium are involved.
So in regards to season 2024 and UCI decision. UCI has its own set of rules and for UCI the contract Cian has with Bora is still valid. And that won't change until and if UCI decides that. That is on why the case of alleged misconduct is presented in front of such commission. And not on some court. As for season 2024 and on who Cian will be registered to ride for. That is more or less entirety up to the UCI. And hence their set of rules. I doubt UCI would now made a decision against their own rules.
Parties involved can indeed go to courts after. If not agreeing with the decision. But no way that will be resolved in time before the season 2024 starts. That is potential court cases. As for van Aert case. There one specific was involved and that is it was claimed that former employee went out of business. And as such for the contract to be terminated. Courts latter having their say on it. Bora obviously is still alive and kicking. And currently still with a valid contract in regards to Cian. Company based in Austria.
So in regards to season 2024 and UCI decision. UCI has its own set of rules and for UCI the contract Cian has with Bora is still valid. And that won't change until and if UCI decides that. That is on why the case of alleged misconduct is presented in front of such commission. And not on some court. As for season 2024 and on who Cian will be registered to ride for. That is more or less entirety up to the UCI. And hence their set of rules. I doubt UCI would now made a decision against their own rules.
Parties involved can indeed go to courts after. If not agreeing with the decision. But no way that will be resolved in time before the season 2024 starts. That is potential court cases. As for van Aert case. There one specific was involved and that is it was claimed that former employee went out of business. And as such for the contract to be terminated. Courts latter having their say on it. Bora obviously is still alive and kicking. And currently still with a valid contract in regards to Cian. Company based in Austria.
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On the stage where Vlasov attacked with the help of Denz, Cian was actually gained time against Vlasov as he was caught with 2 kilometres to go.
Cian lost seventh place on stage 20 when he cracked and Vlasov stayed in the GC group. I can't remember a single moment when Vlasov tried to accelerate the GC group to gain the most time against Cian. He was almost always at the back of the group.
So what exactly is the problem?
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maybe an integral part of your research is missing? The contract and where its registred and where Cian is a resident. If that is in Belgium, he can pull the law of 78. But you are squirming in every position to give Cian the fault… rather then spamming threads without new information(its annoying for those just wanting to read new info) wait for actual facts…
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He has clearly stated about 13 times that he has come to his final analysis and is going to wait for the out come, only to post the same crap 11 minutes later. 🙄🥱.
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If you would read what i actually wrote then you will understand this makes no sense. That is UCI in the first place is not a court of law. So what you wrote is not even applicable here. And as such pointless to discuss at this time.
First of all this is the court of public opinion. And second we all spam. Including you. I don't blame you for that. Better to ask and discuss then to stay ignorant.
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True. But you have to admit that some new information came in. And i still feel it's a good thing. That somebody actually took the time to interpreted it. Instead of being lazy and believing oh yes, this one will for sure sort it out. It won't.
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That's hilarious. You haven't asked sh*t. All you do is tell us you are correct, rinse and repeat. It's getting old.
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Nah. I feel that i am indeed caught up with this case, we all have our hobbies, and informations surrounding it. Instead of being caught up with some user on this forum. Trying to explain to him jack ***.
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No. Just your input in this thread. It's not all that focused on the case itself. Is it? But i get it. You are after the spammers. And that is a though job too.
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It's the audacity of this case, the approach. It's intriguing. So forgive me for getting all warmed up about it. Will try to calm down but no promises involved. If Visma pulls it off. Gets Cian for free. I will be furious. Then we will just have to settle this on the road.
And there is personal interest involved too. If we can't have Cian then a million will do some good to. For socks, bibs, ... For Rogla and his team.
And there is personal interest involved too. If we can't have Cian then a million will do some good to. For socks, bibs, ... For Rogla and his team.
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If you think Vlasov did anything wrong by attacking to gain time in la Vuelta and put pressure on his rivals, I question if you can really call yourself a fan of cycling. Maybe you are just a fan of Belgium.
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If Cian can’t find a team for next year, at least his consolation is he has a rent-free apartment in your head.
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Fair enough. Considering apperently i live in some of your heads, rent free.
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You see this is part of the problem too. Some of you don't even bother to read enough in detail to see i am not all that interested in Cian. Personally i wish him the best. The legal battle behind it all. That indeed does interest me in depth. As that is what makes cycling, as we know it, cycling.
But i get it. Most of you just leave it at i came here to tell on how much i love or hate Cian. Or i want this or that to happen and so it obvisuly will. Likely even annoyed with all the legal discussions. But obviously not enough to refrain yourself claiming something you heard somewhere about it. That part is hence perfectly fine and obviously a fact. All lawyers agreeing.
Point taken. Considering Christmas is near i will refrain myself from further commenting in this thread and grant you that wish. Will wait for UCI decision. Then i might reserve the right, to myself, to express my opinion, about outcome. Will keep it short.
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In other news @CyclistAbi has been let go from his job due to lack of productivity.
I'm a CyclistAbi fan since yesterday and I mean it.
ps. and I dislike Jumbo
ps. and I dislike Jumbo
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I don’t mind them. As I ain’t reading those walls of words, not minding them.
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somehow even after muting cyclistabibi, I still can't escape this thread being full of cyclistabi related nonsense
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Aldag confirms basically what we heard from Cian - he's a pain to work with, and the older guys don't like him -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ns-lawsuit-over-cian-uijtdebroeks-controversy
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ns-lawsuit-over-cian-uijtdebroeks-controversy
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Oh no, a rider that takes his job seriously, and wants the best out of himself and his teammates. What has cycling come too. Let’s bully him into leaving.
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