Teams & Riders Cian Uijtdebroeks - From the wetlands to the top of cycling

[Lexman]

I read somewhere else that this was said in an HLN article (Belgian newspaper)

got it it was in het Nieuwsblad

Cian Uijtdebroeks haalde einde Ronde van Catalonië niet: “Hij raakte bevangen door de kou”

In de Ronde van Catalonië moest Cian Uijtdebroeks (21) er in de zevende en laatste rit de stekker uittrekken. Zaterdag stond hij nog 17de in het klassement, maar het einde haalde hij niet. “Hij had last van zijn maag en kon niet meer eten”, zegt ploegleider Marc Reef.

www.nieuwsblad.be

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Tweaked my way out of it. Apparently CN doesn't like Imgur.

Cheers u guys. Mods can delete these couple of posts, if they like.

Didn't delete them, but copied them to existing icons-on-thread-titles discussion for ease of finding them in the future.

 

[Rob5091]

Cian another one with the "stomach bug" ...

 

[saunaking]

Chad Underpants. The next Ivan Sosa.
There. I said it.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Chad Underpants. The next Ivan Sosa.
There. I said it.

Ok, a bit out of left field, but ok. Let us know when Sosa finishes a GT inside the top 10. Or were you referring to Sosa getting out of a contract to sign with Ineos?

 

[saunaking]

Ok, a bit out of left field, but ok. Let us know when Sosa finishes a GT inside the top 10. Or were you referring to Sosa getting out of a contract to sign with Ineos?

a bit of both. But the hype around Chad was really high a couple years ago. I don't really see him doing much at Jumbo and his top 10 doesn't rate much with me. I don't remember anything about it except him complaining something about Vlasov from that GT.



Full disclosure, I am a Chad hater since his contract thing.

*edit - i actually remember him crying that he wasn't in the group chat. What a baby, maybe if he wasn't so unlikable the other lads would actually want to hit the pub with him.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

a bit of both. But the hype around Chad was really high a couple years ago. I don't really see him doing much at Jumbo and his top 10 doesn't rate much with me. I don't remember anything about it except him complaining something about Vlasov from that GT.



Full disclosure, I am a Chad hater since his contract thing.

*edit - i actually remember him crying that he wasn't in the group chat. What a baby, maybe if he wasn't so unlikable the other lads would actually want to hit the pub with him.

You remember him crying he wasn't in the group chat? You are in the group chat? Because as far as i know that was all made-up by a Dutch journalist.

 

[tobydawq]

a bit of both. But the hype around Chad was really high a couple years ago. I don't really see him doing much at Jumbo and his top 10 doesn't rate much with me. I don't remember anything about it except him complaining something about Vlasov from that GT.



Full disclosure, I am a Chad hater since his contract thing.

*edit - i actually remember him crying that he wasn't in the group chat. What a baby, maybe if he wasn't so unlikable the other lads would actually want to hit the pub with him.

Chad?

 

[Berniece]

You remember him crying he wasn't in the group chat? You are in the group chat? Because as far as i know that was all made-up by a Dutch journalist.

Which I still find really odd, and I don’t understand the journalist didn’t say he was wrong after Cian said it wasn’t true.

 

[saunaking]

You remember him crying he wasn't in the group chat? You are in the group chat? Because as far as i know that was all made-up by a Dutch journalist.

that's how it goes!
crazy story gets made up, everyone hears about it because its gossipy
retraction on the back page, i never saw it

 

[Samamba]

Which I still find really odd, and I don’t understand the journalist didn’t say he was wrong after Cian said it wasn’t true.

Cause he probably actually got told something along those lines by someone who would benefit from a story like that. Just how it goed sadly.

And now 75% of the cycling world still thinks Bora are a bunch of bully's and Cian had every right to get as far as he could from that toxic place. Yk that's just how it goes, story's like that never actually get rectified in the mainstream media or people just don't care anymore. Fair play to Cian for actually saying it wasn't true, but the damage was already done.

 

[Berniece]

Cause he probably actually got told something along those lines by someone who would benefit from a story like that. Just how it goed sadly.

But then you blow up your relationship with one of the bigger Dutch cycling journalists. Seems so unnecessary from Visma’s pov

 

[Hugh Januss]

Chad Underpants. The next Ivan Sosa.
There. I said it.

Don't know about the comparison, but the nickname works for me!

 

[Samamba]

But then you blow up your relationship with one of the bigger Dutch cycling journalists. Seems so unnecessary from Visma’s pov

Doesn't have to be Visma, and the journalist is probably still convinced it's true.

 

[Rob5091]

Good PR for Visma though and it would n't surprise me if the story came from them.

 

[Berniece]

The team doesn't have any expectations for him, definitely not after his lacklustre performance in Catalunya, but Uijtdebroeks himself is hoping on a top 5 finish and the white young rider jersey. That last one he'll probably have to battle out with Tiberi.

Personally I can only see him finish top 5 if he's at his Vuelta form, otherwise he should be happy with top 10.

 

[Potomac]

So I know it is important to welcome the new hire to the workplace. But if somebody comes in with that kind of baggage, I'm just going to be polite yet try to avoid him.

 

[Keldergoat]

The team doesn't have any expectations for him, definitely not after his lacklustre performance in Catalunya, but Uijtdebroeks himself is hoping on a top 5 finish and the white young rider jersey. That last one he'll probably have to battle out with Tiberi.

Personally I can only see him finish top 5 if he's at his Vuelta form, otherwise he should be happy with top 10.

In order to beat Tiberi or Arensman he must have improved his TT'ing ability substantially. With 70k of TT which is predominantly flat and favouring the big engines this Giro is, on paper, less suited to his abilities than last year's Vuelta.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Are we talking about the same Tiberi who finished 42 minutes down on Uijtdebroeks in last year's Vuelta (his best GT result)? Why are his goals/wishes so much more realistic than Uijtdebroeks'? Uijtdebroeks already showed he can battle for GC 3 weeks, Tiberi hasn't. Uijtdebroeks finished 7th in the Tirreno, Tiberi 27th. In Catalunya clearly something was wrong (as was the case with Kuss), so i wouldn't exactly take that as an indicator that Uijtdebroeks is going nowhere. It's quite ironic to downplay his Giro chances based on what happened a month ago, and now completely ignore Arensman's MIA in Romandie a week before the Giro.

 

[Keldergoat]

I ain't saying Uijtdebroeks is going nowhere. I just say with a TT loaded Giro he's, theoretically on the back foot vs Arensman and Tiberi who are better TT'ers. In a 40k TT he can loose 2:30 to 3 minutes vs the big guns if he hasn't improved drastically.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Are we talking about the same Tiberi who finished 42 minutes down on Uijtdebroeks in last year's Vuelta (his best GT result)? Why are his goals/wishes so much more realistic than Uijtdebroeks'? Uijtdebroeks already showed he can battle for GC 3 weeks, Tiberi hasn't. Uijtdebroeks finished 7th in the Tirreno, Tiberi 27th. In Catalunya clearly something was wrong (as was the case with Kuss), so i wouldn't exactly take that as an indicator that Uijtdebroeks is going nowhere. It's quite ironic to downplay his Giro chances based on what happened a month ago, and now completely ignore Arensman's MIA in Romandie a week before the Giro.

Arensmans one week results are a terrible pointer for his GT results historically speaking tho. The man is a modern version of Kruijswijk.

 

[Keldergoat]

Arensmans one week results are a terrible pointer for his GT results historically speaking tho. The man is a modern version of Kruijswijk.

And even in Tirreno and Algarve he wasn't that bad (5 and 6). In Romandie he was whack but he already said in an interview that he wanted to avoid to peak prior to the Giro. Only thing that worries me about his development is that his TT's are pretty sub-DSM level.

 

[SafeBet]

Are we talking about the same Tiberi who finished 42 minutes down on Uijtdebroeks in last year's Vuelta (his best GT result)? Why are his goals/wishes so much more realistic than Uijtdebroeks'? Uijtdebroeks already showed he can battle for GC 3 weeks, Tiberi hasn't. Uijtdebroeks finished 7th in the Tirreno, Tiberi 27th.

I was also fairly surprised when Tiberi claimed he had the realistic goal of finishing top5 in GC (and dreaming of a podium).
But considering his limited experience as a team leader and the fact Bahrain elected to send him as a captain while having both Caruso and Poels available, his numbers must be very good at the moment. Otherwise the team wouldn't be so confident.
Note that Tiberi told me his recovery is excellent and during last year's Vuelta he felt better and better as days passed. The route is certainly on his side, with the amount of TT kms and the abundance of 6-8% climbs, since he doesn't fancy particularly steep hills.

I'd say right now fans and bookmakers favor Tiberi over Uijtdebroeks partly because of recency bias. It's true that Cian was much better in Tirreno, but Tiberi has steadily improved race after race and looked excellent in TotA.

Everything considered, I reckon a top10 should be reachable for Tiberi in this field. Anything more would be a great result in my eyes. Uijtdebroeks likely has a higher ceiling but I'm not very confident after his first mnths with Visma.

 

[Berniece]

Are we talking about the same Tiberi who finished 42 minutes down on Uijtdebroeks in last year's Vuelta (his best GT result)? Why are his goals/wishes so much more realistic than Uijtdebroeks'? Uijtdebroeks already showed he can battle for GC 3 weeks, Tiberi hasn't. Uijtdebroeks finished 7th in the Tirreno, Tiberi 27th. In Catalunya clearly something was wrong (as was the case with Kuss), so i wouldn't exactly take that as an indicator that Uijtdebroeks is going nowhere. It's quite ironic to downplay his Giro chances based on what happened a month ago, and now completely ignore Arensman's MIA in Romandie a week before the Giro.

Last year Uijtdebroeks performed well the whole year. He showed that he could follow sub-top riders, and improved during the year, ending with an amazing Vuelta.

This year, I don't feel he made that step forward and showed a similar level of performance. Which was to be expected after the winter he had, and the weather we've been having. I think he'll do fine this Giro, but I'm not sure because I have no clue at what level he's riding at the moment.

On Tiberi, he did have a decent Catalunya and Tour of Alps, so if Uijtdebroeks isn't 100%, I wouldn't be surprised he's able to contest the white jersey.

 

[CyclistAbi]

All in all its a big opportunity for Cian and lets see on how it goes. Likely the idea will be to try to finish ahead of Martínez.