Thanks. Just what I thought. Slightly complicated.Don't be late Pedro said:I suspect it works something like this.
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Thanks. Just what I thought. Slightly complicated.Don't be late Pedro said:I suspect it works something like this.
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Robert21 said:I would be surprised if Cipollini had been doing this, as it has been known for a long time that it does not work as an effective doping method.
Robert21 said:Bottom line is that that once extracted the cells in storage often die off at a faster rate than the body can generate new ones. I would also have thought that the stress on the body caused by having to reabsorb lots of dead blood cells would not do much for one's performance. For example:
It would have thought it more likely that he was using more frequent, but smaller, transfusions using methods similar to those used by Armstrong et al.
DirtyWorks said:Doubting Cipo's use of blood bags because some research shows it does not work that well is a bad practice.
Robert21 said:I never said that I 'doubted' that Cipollini used blood doping. I merely suggested that he probably used the same techniques as adopted by other riders, such as Armstrong, and said that the seemingly large number of bags used could simply be due to him using smaller, but more frequent, transfusions.
DirtyWorks said:as it has been known for a long time that it does not work as an effective doping method. Bottom line is that that once extracted the cells in storage often die off at a faster rate than the body can generate new ones.
The use of the phrases "has been known for a long time" and "bottom line" suggest some sort of confidence in the matter. I was responding to the use of those phrases.
Again, I appreciate referencing some research on the matter. We don't have enough of it posted!
Robert21 said:I never said that I 'doubted' that Cipollini used blood doping. I merely suggested that he probably used the same techniques as adopted by other riders, such as Armstrong, and said that the seemingly large number of bags used could simply be due to him using smaller, but more frequent, transfusions.
spalco said:What exactly was Armstrong's method?
skippy said:This item landed in my email today :
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blog...s.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email
seems the bags are 250ml
Robert21 said:I would be surprised if Cipollini had been doing this, as it has been known for a long time that it does not work as an effective doping method. Bottom line is that that once extracted the cells in storage often die off at a faster rate than the body can generate new ones. I would also have thought that the stress on the body caused by having to reabsorb lots of dead blood cells would not do much for one's performance. For example:
It would have thought it more likely that he was using more frequent, but smaller, transfusions using methods similar to those used by Armstrong et al.