Cipollini Blood Transfusions 2002

[Fatclimber]

HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Way to follow the script Mario! Luigi could learn a few things from you!

 

[BroDeal]

When do we get the doping schedules for the Spanish riders?

 

[the asian]

When do we get the doping schedules for the Spanish riders?

Probably never. This is just a threat at CONI. Stop asking for all the names to be revealed we out whoever we want, starting with an Italian.

 

[Gregga]

Probably never. This is just a threat at CONI. Stop asking for all the names to be revealed we out whoever we want, starting with an Italian.

Weird to notice Cipo's schedule is the only one for year 2002 to be revealed.
And of course, it was not in the infamous "Tomo IV" with the doping schedules of Hamilton, Botero, Pantani & co.

 

[will10]

LOL. Cippo willing to do a DNA test to prove his innocence.

Must be feeling confident that he didn't have any BBs left.

 

[the asian]

Must be feeling confident that he didn't have any BBs left.

Yep. By the time BBs were seized he had retired.
That's why doing a DNA test to prove his innocence is pointless.

 

[airstream]

Franke was saying he had the entire Puerto dossier. If an anti-doping expert has it, he is not the only one among uninterested parties. Why it doesn't come into light is unknown. I hope one day all the riders will be punished. Puerto splitted cycling world so brutally. One like Contador or Cancellara got a huge impetus and even built their image partially on anti-doping stage, having been usual Puerto riders. But who will remember Paco and Il Nino whose lives were derailed after a few years??? Huge human tragedies stand behind that...

 

[Elagabalus]

Was talking to a friend who is from Lucca, he said this wont be news. In all the disco's 20 years ago the cyclists were the guys to go to for drugs.

Yep. Have the interviewed Cipo on the news yet? He's just going to laugh this off.

 

[arjanh]

Franke was saying he had the entire Puerto dossier. If an anti-doping expert has it, he is not the only one among uninterested parties. Why it doesn't come into light is unknown. I hope one day all the riders will be punished. Puerto splitted cycling world so brutally. One like Contador or Cancellara got a huge impetus and even built their image partially on anti-doping stage, having been usual Puerto riders. But who will remember Paco and Il Nino whose lives were derailed after a few years??? Huge human tragedies stand behind that...

I dearly hope it doesn't stay with cycling only. If that happens (it does stay with cycling only - added for clarity), I do feel sorry for the ones that got popped, in one way or another. Even when they, indeed, were cheaters.

 

[coinneach]

Yep. Have the interviewed Cipo on the news yet? He's just going to laugh this off.

Nah...he's avoiding all comments and letting his lawyer deal with it....
.stinks to high heaven to me, but then this is the country that doesn't have Berlusconni in jail ( and might even elect him again).

Cipo could learn from Berlusconni about laughing things off...maybe by the time he is 70 he'll have perfected it.

They are both as guilty as sin

 

[Eshnar]

coinneach, it is not allowed to remind me how f*cked up is my own country, thanks.

Oh, and learn how to spell names properly at least.

 

[coinneach]

Apologies re spelling, (never good on a Saturday night) and I hadn't noticed your location...no intention of rubbing noses in it.

Berlusconni and I go back a long way (well to Genoa in 2001): I can't be bothered looking his name up to spell it properly.

I hope to goodness you guys can come through all this....Cipo will be painful for many people in Italy. (As will Cancellara for Switzerland)

Somehow we expect more from our sportsmen in terms of honesty than we do from our politicians: not fair really!

Oh and by the way, it Coinneach not coinneach!

 

[Eshnar]

Oh and by the way, it Coinneach not coinneach!

no, it's definitely coinneach I just copied and pasted. No chance of mistakes. u.u

 

[DirtyWorks]

Not baffling at all - doping was criminalised in Italy and France at the time but not in Spain (may still not be there?). A short flight beats jail time, just ask the Festina boys and Millar etc

Assuming there is enforceable doping law in two or more countries:

Doping is Illegal in Italy, if you are Italian.
Doping is Illegal in Spain, if you are Spanish.

An Italian visiting Spain to dope or vice-versa is not "illegal." Authorities have a similar problem with Wonderboy's international operation.

 

[martinvickers]

Assuming there is enforceable doping law in two or more countries:

Doping is Illegal in Italy, if you are Italian.
Doping is Illegal in Spain, if you are Spanish.

An Italian visiting Spain to dope or vice-versa is not "illegal." Authorities have a similar problem with Wonderboy's international operation.

I'm not sure about that, DirtyWorks. as a general rule the laws of the country apply to everyone within the country at the time, native or not. So if Brit cyclist A doped in France, he's amenable to prosecution in France (D. Millar?) - there may be jurisdictional difficulties in 'getting your hands' on a doping tourist once he's out of the country again, but if he's in your country, I'm pretty sure you can usually grab him.

 

[laziali]

Ten chara

 

[laziali]

I'm not sure about that, DirtyWorks. as a general rule the laws of the country apply to everyone within the country at the time, native or not. So if Brit cyclist A doped in France, he's amenable to prosecution in France (D. Millar?) - there may be jurisdictional difficulties in 'getting your hands' on a doping tourist once he's out of the country again, but if he's in your country, I'm pretty sure you can usually grab him.

That is correct Martin, nationality is irrelevant so long as the offence takes place within the jurisdiction (like you Martin, I know a lot about the law and although I cannot claim expertise in Spanish law, I would be staggered if it is different on such a fundamental principle).

But, as I already said, at the time doping was not illegal in Spain. It took Operacion Puerto to change that.

 

[D-Queued]

^^^ Exactly.

Now, I have always wondered what was behind this comment:

Italian cycling great Mario Cipollini says Britain’s Mark Cavendish is the strongest sprinter in the world, but believes the Tour de France star still has lots to learn.

1. Coming from Cipo, what does it really take to be the strongest sprinter in teh world?

2. What else could he learn, and about what?

Note: These questions are rhetorical. The Fuentes disclosure answers them and Cipo knows one when he sees one.

Dave.

 

[ElChingon]

That is correct Martin, nationality is irrelevant so long as the offence takes place within the jurisdiction (like you Martin, I know a lot about the law and although I cannot claim expertise in Spanish law, I would be staggered if it is different on such a fundamental principle).

But, as I already said, at the time doping was not illegal in Spain. It took Operacion Puerto to change that.

I know even less about law than most clinic posters but fully understand bribery and how it can trump any law ever written or not written. These names magically disappearing or forgotten and now reappearing can be made to vanish once again, for the right price.

 

[Descender]

apologies re spelling, (never good on a saturday night) and i hadn't noticed your location...no intention of rubbing noses in it.

berlusconni and i go back a long way (well to genoa in 2001): I can't be bothered looking his name up to spell it properly.

I hope to goodness you guys can come through all this....cipo will be painful for many people in italy. (as will cancellara for switzerland)

somehow we expect more from our sportsmen in terms of honesty than we do from our politicians: Not fair really!

Oh and by the way, it coinneach not coinneach!

ten chars

 

[spalco]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-cipollini-used-25-blood-bags-before-2003-giro-ditalia

Damn. I'm not the least bit surprised Cipollini was dirty, but that's some heavy ****...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Please... Cipo didn't use EPO. EPO used Cipo.

 

[airstream]

25 BB's for a guy who never finished GT??! Wow, I shudder to think on what GC guys were riding.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

25 BB's for a guy who never finished GT??! Wow, I shudder to think on what GC guys were riding.

He completed the Giro many times.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

The evidence seems to be overwhelming, do not know why he is bothering denying, probably just in shock at it coming out and denying because he does not what else to do.

He worked with Fuentes from 2001 - 2004.
Who did he work with before that?