CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

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Added detail from the report above:
The panel said there were a number of factors it considered when deciding to reject the defence's application to have the four remaining charges thrown out.

It said that based on Sutton's evidence, which the defence tried to throw out, and analysis from endocrinologist Dr Quinton, it was capable of establishing that the testosterone was "not clinically indicated" for Sutton.

It also considered charges that Dr Freeman had admitted including ordering the testosterone even when it was a banned substance under the World Anti-Doping Agency code, lying to two colleagues - former British Cycling head of medicine Dr Steve Peters and former physio Phil Burt - about the delivery and then trying to cover it up.

There was also reference to Dr Freeman lying "a further time" to a UK Anti-Doping investigation.

Despite O'Rourke saying there was not a "scintilla of evidence" to prove that Freeman ordered the Testogel knowing or believing it was to enhance and athlete's performance, the panel said "a reasonable jury could, on one possible view of the evidence, be entitled" to draw that conclusion.
 
So Freeman ordered test to be delivered to the velodrome, home of BC and Sky.
The test was not for ED ...
Blurred lines between Sky and BC. People moving between.
Poor record keeping.
False/ fake attempt to cover up the delivery/ return the test.

So - which athletes hoovered up the test? Or was it all for SDB and his Gran Fondo ambition, along with his kenacort?
 
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Wigans was riding like a beast in 2011 until he crashed out of the TDF, EBH was winning bunch sprints, intermediate stages and contesting TTs at the TDF, while Flecha and Hayman finished top 10 at Roubaix.

Pretty obvious what it was used for even before the Vuelta.
 
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Wigans was riding like a beast in 2011 until he crashed out of the TDF, EBH was winning bunch sprints, intermediate stages and contesting TTs at the TDF, while Flecha and Hayman finished top 10 at Roubaix.

Pretty obvious what it was used for even before the Vuelta.
Wiggins had previously finished 4th at the Tour.
EBH won one bunch sprint at the Tour where he beat Matt Goss. He was 11th in the only TT - 4 seconds ahead of Voeckler. He was ranked 6th in the World (CQRanking) in his last season at HTC.
Flecha had previously had finished the last seven editions of Paris-Roubaix in the top 13, including three podiums
Pretty obvious that riders continued being the same as they'd been before.
 
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Wiggins had previously finished 4th at the Tour.
EBH won one bunch sprint at the Tour where he beat Matt Goss. He was 11th in the only TT - 4 seconds ahead of Voeckler. He was ranked 6th in the World (CQRanking) in his last season at HTC.
Flecha had previously had finished the last seven editions of Paris-Roubaix in the top 13, including three podiums
Pretty obvious that riders continued being the same as they'd been before.
Wigans won the Dauphine easily and podiumed Paris Nice in 2011. He had a relatively terrible TDF in 2010, as for the 2009 TDF it was his first time finishing in the top 80 at any GT (second time in the top 100 at a GT) and cycling fans thought it was hilarious at the time. Don't believe me? The race threads still exist.

EBH beat Hushovd and Goss for his first stage win, but you leave out that Goss was sprinting because Cav was dropped and Hushovd was also in standard form, winning two stages himself. EBH's second stage win was a monster ride on the stage to Pinerolo ahead of the likes of Mollema, Casar and Chavenel, winning solo by 40" on a stage that included Sestriere. As for the TT, a mechanical in the last few kms cost him a top 5 finish.

Sky had done little in the classics in 2011 until P-R, where 5 of the top 7 (including the winner) came from the early break, apart from Chris Sutton (cool surname BTW) winning K-B-K, which is a glaring standout in his palmares and Flecha coming second in G-W.
 
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EBH beat Hushovd and Goss for his first stage win, but you leave out that Goss was sprinting because Cav was dropped and Hushovd was also in standard form, winning two stages himself. EBH's second stage win was a monster ride on the stage to Pinerolo ahead of the likes of Mollema, Casar and Chavenel, winning solo by 40" on a stage that included Sestriere. As for the TT, a mechanical in the last few kms cost him a top 5 finish.

Sky had done little in the classics in 2011 until P-R, where 5 of the top 7 (including the winner) came from the early break, apart from Chris Sutton (cool surname BTW) winning K-B-K, which is a glaring standout in his palmares and Flecha coming second in G-W.
So your argument that Sky were suddenly on something is the team were rubbish apart from the riders who had previously been good. who were still good.

Of course even then you're wrong. Flecha & Thomas had been 10th &11th in De Ronde the week before (not an amazing leap to 9th & 10th). Thomas was second at Dwars, Flecha second at Het Nieuwsblad

In essence you see a team doing OK but not great in the classics (same as almost every year with Sky) as "pretty obvious" evidence of doping . And then you wonder why people think you are some sort of tin foil hatter.
 
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So your argument that Sky were suddenly on something is the team were rubbish apart from the riders who had previously been good. who were still good.

Of course even then you're wrong. Flecha & Thomas had been 10th &11th in De Ronde the week before (not an amazing leap to 9th & 10th). Thomas was second at Dwars, Flecha second at Het Nieuwsblad

In essence you see a team doing OK but not great in the classics (same as almost every year with Sky) as "pretty obvious" evidence of doping . And then you wonder why people think you are some sort of tin foil hatter.
In isolation I'd say you were right, but the timing of this Testogel scenario coincides with EBH reaching a new level of beast mode, Wigans taking another jump in stage racing performance and Froome making a transformation that still beggars belief.

Call me a tinfoil hat wearer all you want but we both know I'm just being a realist. If it was Movistar or Katusha you'd be throwing at least as much shade.
 
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Call me a tinfoil hat wearer all you want but we both know I'm just being a realist. If it was Movistar or Katusha you'd be throwing at least as much shade.
I don't think you're being a realist. If I may be honest I think you're someone who is desperate for attention on social media.

As for Movistar and Katusha - Valverde has form but I've never held that against the others and Katusha have had loads of banned riders, but they seem to have moved on. The question is why isn't there the same clamour about Movistar and Katusha from you. Is it because Irish farms hands whose validation you desperately seek on social media don't tweet about them?

Seriously, just grow up.

PS As for EBH, Paul Kimmage turned up at the 2013 Tour and grilled Brailsford as to why Hagen, who Kimmage had spotted as a great champion, wasn't leading the team.

Tin foil hatters come in all sizes.
 
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TBF If the bloke has mental health problems, would continuing be worth in depreciating his health? I know we all want a conclusion to this, but at the cost of what?
TBF If the bloke has mental health problems, would prolonging the anxiety suffered waiting for the conclusion of the matter be worth in depreciating his health? I know we all want a conclusion to this, but at the cost of what?
 
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TBF If the bloke has mental health problems, would prolonging the anxiety suffered waiting for the conclusion of the matter be worth in depreciating his health? I know we all want a conclusion to this, but at the cost of what?
The truth shall set you free
Both true. But maybe an independent doctor has assessed him and taken these into account
 
Roundup of Tribunal happenings today before resumes next week from Dan Roan.

Freeman’s QC Mary O’Rourke says the defence has “struggled” with a journalist, a “reluctant witness” who “volunteered his help” over an alleged Daily Mail affidavit she claims was signed by ex-coach Shane Sutton & who “now appears to be running scared”, refusing to give evidence

O’Rourke then refers to another journalist - a female - who “has now told us she knows of the affidavit but has never seen it”. “The other one has seen it but is not prepared for his name to be disclosed to us.” Says she is considering witness summonsing them.

“We have no power to take it further” says O’Rourke over a Section 35a submission for the affidavit to be disclosed. Says she’s “disappointed” the GMC have not backed the application for this disclosure. Says the matter could be subject to an appeal point or judicial review.

“We’re not happy with the GMC’s response on the Section 35a” says O’Rourke. “We’re trying to obtain that affidavit by other means..we’ve invited the journalist to participate. He hasn’t sadly come back to us.”

O’Rourke says Dr Freeman is in “robust good health, thank goodness” (the tribunal was adjourned in December last year due to his ill health), and is now working 5 days a week at a GP’s surgery due to the pandemic. Says he will finally take the stand and give evidence on Oct 6th

O’Rourke: Freeman was “shocked” that former Team Sky head of medicine Dr Steve Peters sent information relating to him to the GMC, rather than to the defence. “It caused great distress to Dr Freeman that the GMC was provided with info, including consultations with (his) ex-wife”
Is interesting going back to Wiggins comments in 2018 seems to still be at the core of O'Rourke's defence even more now. He pretty much said Lawton has committed a criminal offence over the affidavit & Jiffybag allegation.


Some other information on proceedings from a medical website:

Freeman will submit himself to a number of medical examinations, both on behalf of his own legal team and the General Medical Council, before matters proceed.

GMC can instruct a forensic psychologist to produce a report on him.

A further preliminary hearing must take place on September 25 ahead of the anticipated resumption on October 6.

GMC ordered that O'Rourke must disclose a redacted copy of the statement by the "journalistic source" they previously referred to and that he must provide a signed witness statement relating to any additional evidence on which he wishes to rely.
 
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