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It's nothing to see and it's JLA there's nothing to see about. Cause Sam knows, he's got an inside line to the truth that no one else can access. Or he just makes crap up to suit the mood of the moment.
what does that even mean "knowing or believing", what else would you need banned substance for
"hey i need testogel"
"why?"
"eeeh, you know im a big fan of DJ Testo" badum,tss
thank you, ill be here all week
anyway, Raul Alarcon should get additional 4 year ban
"hey i need testogel"
"why?"
"eeeh, you know im a big fan of DJ Testo" badum,tss
thank you, ill be here all week
anyway, Raul Alarcon should get additional 4 year ban
anyone know if the decision/report is available....had a look on the MPTS webiste but couldn't see it
What, as though Freeman was ordering testo for the W52 sputniks on the side? Now that would be a twist, ha.
Long time no hear Mark.
Not sure we'll ever find out what the full story is around those testogels
WRT joining the dots and ID'ing the rider the T-gel was for, two Tweets from Sean Ingle during the summing up in February are being used by some to single out the South African rider John-Lee Augustyn. The Tweets:
View: https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/1360181336435261443
Not finishing five races in a row suggests a road rider, not a trackie. If you dispute this please give a reason. For now, let's work with the probability it is a roadie, not a trackie.
Did JLA DNF five races in a row? Referring to CQ, I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing two DNFs at the end of 2010 and then no racing until July 2011 and a third consecutive DNF. Three is not five and July 2011 is after the Testogel was received at the medal factory. Have CQ missed races?
The other point here is "the programme." JLA is a Saffie, isn't he? Was he on British Cycling's podium programme? If it's not the podium programme what does "the programme" refer to (and bear in mind it comes from someone denying any doping was going on, so it's not that programme).
If less than five consecutive DNFs meets the five-in-a-row criteria in Ingle's Tweets and if not being on the BC podium programme meets the criteria in Ingle's Tweets are there any other riders to consider. Could be
Try Kurt Asle Arvesen, who DNFed three times in a row in 2011 (Paris-Roubaix, Amstel, ATOC). Or Serge Pauwels who DNFed three times across May, June and July 2011 (which puts him past the point the Testogel was ordered). Neither of them seem likely culprits, given "the programme" comment.
But what about Jeremy Hunt? DNF at the Ronde, Roubaix and ATOC. Followed (not quite consecutively) by a DNF in Luxembourg and preceded (not quite consecutively) by a DNF in Paris-Nice. Was he on the podium programme and does his retirement in 2012 count as falling out if he was?
So, Inspector Cluseau confidently pointing the finger at a Saffie notwithstanding, could it be that there's a Brit who better fits the frame?
View: https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/1360181336435261443
Not finishing five races in a row suggests a road rider, not a trackie. If you dispute this please give a reason. For now, let's work with the probability it is a roadie, not a trackie.
Did JLA DNF five races in a row? Referring to CQ, I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing two DNFs at the end of 2010 and then no racing until July 2011 and a third consecutive DNF. Three is not five and July 2011 is after the Testogel was received at the medal factory. Have CQ missed races?
The other point here is "the programme." JLA is a Saffie, isn't he? Was he on British Cycling's podium programme? If it's not the podium programme what does "the programme" refer to (and bear in mind it comes from someone denying any doping was going on, so it's not that programme).
If less than five consecutive DNFs meets the five-in-a-row criteria in Ingle's Tweets and if not being on the BC podium programme meets the criteria in Ingle's Tweets are there any other riders to consider. Could be
Try Kurt Asle Arvesen, who DNFed three times in a row in 2011 (Paris-Roubaix, Amstel, ATOC). Or Serge Pauwels who DNFed three times across May, June and July 2011 (which puts him past the point the Testogel was ordered). Neither of them seem likely culprits, given "the programme" comment.
But what about Jeremy Hunt? DNF at the Ronde, Roubaix and ATOC. Followed (not quite consecutively) by a DNF in Luxembourg and preceded (not quite consecutively) by a DNF in Paris-Nice. Was he on the podium programme and does his retirement in 2012 count as falling out if he was?
So, Inspector Cluseau confidently pointing the finger at a Saffie notwithstanding, could it be that there's a Brit who better fits the frame?
The 5 races in a row and then leaving 'the program' will be related to leaving UCI's Medical Programme I think, because the context of all this was Jackson was debating riders Testosterone & Iron levels dropping and implying Freeman ordered the Testogel to address this level and increase it and their performance (microdosing them).
Every 3 months the WT & PCT teams must submit to the UCI their riders Testosterone and Iron level as part of wider health checks. JLA DNF'd 5 races before ending at Sky and so that UCI program at Sky ended then too as it would have been taken over by his next team he signed for.
There is one race he did finish in-between the 5 DNF in a row, but we don't know of any smaller races he might have DNF before or after the 2011 last San Sebastian DNF or if O'Rourke simply meant 5 DNFs in 6 races, but clearly her main argument was - if you were doping a rider, why would he then leave this team and therefore their UCI program if his performance had been increased and DNF issues resolved by doping, which clearly hadn't happened?
Important to keep in the back of you mind, Sky were actually submitting more than they needed to to UCI at this time I believe. I can't remember the context or where I read this, but will try and find out. I vaguely remember they wanted to do more than the minimum and UCI allowed that because the blood checks are added to ADAMS too.
Every 3 months the WT & PCT teams must submit to the UCI their riders Testosterone and Iron level as part of wider health checks. JLA DNF'd 5 races before ending at Sky and so that UCI program at Sky ended then too as it would have been taken over by his next team he signed for.
There is one race he did finish in-between the 5 DNF in a row, but we don't know of any smaller races he might have DNF before or after the 2011 last San Sebastian DNF or if O'Rourke simply meant 5 DNFs in 6 races, but clearly her main argument was - if you were doping a rider, why would he then leave this team and therefore their UCI program if his performance had been increased and DNF issues resolved by doping, which clearly hadn't happened?
Important to keep in the back of you mind, Sky were actually submitting more than they needed to to UCI at this time I believe. I can't remember the context or where I read this, but will try and find out. I vaguely remember they wanted to do more than the minimum and UCI allowed that because the blood checks are added to ADAMS too.
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Which rider was taking testosterone?
How many people in that graveyard are dead?
All of them.
How many people in that graveyard are dead?
All of them.
I don't think GMC truly believe any rider was taking it, because they didn't decide to challenge Freeman the order hadn't been destroyed as he described.
They begun 2 years ago with Freeman had ordered it to microdose a rider and used the UCI's blood records to identify riders with a period of low testosterone it would seem. None of that has made it into the tribunals verdict statement whatsoever today! All that has really been said is they have no reason not to believe Sutton saying it wasn't for him and don't believe Freeman order it for him. For GMC, having a rider isn't required, all they wanted to do was tip the balance of probability away from the order being for Sutton as Freeman has maintained.
They begun 2 years ago with Freeman had ordered it to microdose a rider and used the UCI's blood records to identify riders with a period of low testosterone it would seem. None of that has made it into the tribunals verdict statement whatsoever today! All that has really been said is they have no reason not to believe Sutton saying it wasn't for him and don't believe Freeman order it for him. For GMC, having a rider isn't required, all they wanted to do was tip the balance of probability away from the order being for Sutton as Freeman has maintained.
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Submitting more ... did they also offer $100k to buy a blood testing machine?
Stick to concrete, Sam, rather than trying to ‘find out’. The media is binary; the house of cards is wobbling.
JLA crashed in stage 3 of the Vuelta that year and abandoned didn’t he? It’s a long time ago. Would also seem strange to link that to testosterone levels.
Who was it that said the junro would be taken to the cleaners for lying? Was that Dan Roan the jurno?
I'm not 'finding out' anything, I've definitely read what I claim and remembered precisely because I was surprised UCI were allowing the team to submit more rider data to the bio-passport than the UCI required as part of the minimum quarterly mandatory examinations.
I think O'Rourke's point was the rider left the UCI medical program because he was let go by the team. He didn't improve, that's for sure, he didn't even race the next season until July 2011 and San Sebastian and that was a DNF too. He never races again and left Team Sky that season. According to O'Rourke/Freeman this was because he hadn't put in the effort. He was however later diagnosed with avascular necrosis caused by a crash in 2007.
Quote re. additional testing in collaboration with UCI & WADA was here from Sky's The Limit
There is another reference to this additional testing elsewhere, but I can't find it it's too long ago and probably where this quote originates from anyway and irc was simply UCI explaining what Peters is here.
There is another reference to this additional testing elsewhere, but I can't find it it's too long ago and probably where this quote originates from anyway and irc was simply UCI explaining what Peters is here.
It's actually DCMS.
UK Parliament dept Digital Culture Media and Sport.
UK Parliament dept Digital Culture Media and Sport.
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