Colombia - Coldeportes

[Escarabajo]

Coldeportes so far has failed in this Giro.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

this was definitely the rest day that failed them, look at how bad pantano, chala and others were today,. far worse than normal. I'll wait and see for next mountainstages.

 

[staubsauger]

this was definitely the rest day that failed them, look at how bad pantano, chala and others were today,. far worse than normal. I'll wait and see for next mountainstages.

Come on. Their whole season has been a rest day so far. It's not that I want to blame the riders.

Their shape is obviously far away from top and the responsibility therefore has Corti as it was his decision to let the riders train in snowy conditions instead of sun in Colombia.

But he will be fired right after the Giro anyway you assumed?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he will be fired after the giro. corti is in panick mode for some time now. he realises everyone is very unhappy with the project. I hope for the riders sake that they will still do well and for corti's sake I hope they fail.

 

[profff]

chavez flew back to colombia
he stilll has problem to his shoulder, after the fall in laigueglia
it is not clear yet if he will undergo surgery or just intensify rehab.
anyway he will loose all the 2013 season

 

[staubsauger]

I put it here, because it fix better with the topic:

that was the national federation, no companies involved and it ended up with a big disaster. savio can never show his face again in colombia... and gianetti tried firts to merge geox with colombian team before he tried venezuela.

a big colombian sponsor doesn't need non colombian riders to get in wt though. uran and henao is enough and there are many hundreds if not more pro's in colombia as well. but you can basiclaly scoop up most of coldeportes and remove corti. and allow the leaders to have riders they want. reason marco corti is riding is because he's best friend of fabio duarte, they could also bring in zanio who is friend of uran. you'd already have over 20 riders

But in the end, as much as Savio is a very controversial person and as much differences there have been between him and the Colombians and as much mistakes he (maybe) made: Savio archived much more good results & performances with less quality riders durng his period with the Colombians than Corti now does with - as it seems - just much much better material.

That from my pont of view says enough abut Corti. His reputation as a good DS seems to live from his one moment of glory in 2004, when he decided to send Cunego up the rode, because he knew Landbouwkrediet & De Nardi were to weak to chase him and control Simoni at once. After that, besides his fail with Coldeportes now, he was unable to improve Froome/ to realize his abilities / to put him on the Soler07 training-programm and he was totally unable to handle and improve Soler's capabilities as well! Obviously he's dramaticly from yesterday.

You're propably right about the fact, that Uran and Henao would be enough to secure WT status. Bu they still would need a further sponsor/ Colombian company to back them and increase the budget I guess . As well as at least one experienced manager within the squad. But such a scenario would be nice.

Is there absolutely no chance they could smoke a calumet with Savio for sure? At least they would've archived better results if they'd gone back in business with him than with Corti I guess. But he's keen to have his realationship with the Venezuelans it seems.

Just for the record: Is Savio Colombian or Italian? I'm a bi in confusion with that, sorry.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

savio is italian and he has no friends and connections in colombia anymore. there's not much hope for a big colombian team, because what good director would they need? colombian directors from colombian teams don't want to go. saldarriaga is probably the best trainer/director. but he doesn't have a big sponsor and the manager of that team luisa, is an idiot who makes more enemies than friends

 

[TANK91]

So guys will we see a stage win this Giro, for me I think its been disappointing I mean IAM would been better imo , they have not offerd nothing they should try win on Galibier.

 

[Kokoso]

So guys will we see a stage win this Giro, for me I think its been disappointing I mean IAM would been better imo , they have not offerd nothing they should try win on Galibier.

ANY team would be better, IAM, Netapp...just any.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

we;ve not seen a single big mountain yet and see all the haters already not that I expect much, with this weather., still atapuma should be good next days

 

[search]

ANY team would be better, IAM, Netapp...just any.

so, Pelucchi/Haussler or Schorn would have beaten Cav in a sprint? And König or Tschopp would have won a mountain stage? Unlikely. They would have been present in the breakaways but that's it. Colombia is not doing very well so far, that's true, but there are still their best stages to come

 

[Afrank]

we;ve not seen a single big mountain yet and see all the haters already not that I expect much, with this weather., still atapuma should be good next days

Exactly, lets at least wait to see what they can do in their main terrain. GC-wise and in the stages we've had so far they haven't done well. But we still have plenty of mountains to come. I'm still confident they'll take a stage in the mountains from a breakaway.

 

[staubsauger]

There's still Euskatel who have been completly invisible except some breakaways since Sanchez is gone. Guess they're even more worse. Such a shame.

 

[pianomagic]

Finally Coldeportes showed in the high mountains... shame yesterday stage was cancelled, it was the better stage for Atapuma and Duarte with these high altitude cols!!

I think they deserve their invitation, the 2nd in Lavaredo or the 5th in the Galibier (the two main mountain stages, with 2000m cols) of Duarte, and other top 3 and top 6 from Pantano are good results.

Anyway I expected more from them (one stage, a top-10 in the GC), but with the bad weather all the Giro, and the main mountain stages cancelled and shortened, it was not possible...

And they were much better than some of the world tour teams.

 

[profff]

nevertheless they arrived at the giro in really bad shape .
they improved in the third week.
corti completely failed in preparing the giro
duarte is in the same class of rigo, as he showed today, mas o meno.
he build his form racing.
the period he spent in colombia was very useful, but came too late, too close to the giro.
corti is good because of his relationships and ability in getting invitations .
he also had the money too build a good organization worthy of a european team.
but in terms of preparation and management of the rider skill he is very deficient.
i would like to see saldarriaga together with corti....

 

[pianomagic]

nevertheless they arrived at the giro in really bad shape .
they improved in the third week.
corti completely failed in preparing the giro
duarte is in the same class of rigo, as he showed today, mas o meno.
he build his form racing.
the period he spent in colombia was very useful, but came too late, too close to the giro.
corti is good because of his relationships and ability in getting invitations .
he also had the money too build a good organization worthy of a european team.
but in terms of preparation and management of the rider skill he is very deficient.
i would like to see saldarriaga together with corti....

I agree totally, awful preparation... they needed more time in Colombia (cold february and cold march riding one-day flat-race classics in France and Italy, why???)

 

[gooner]

Terrible news for Chaves. Just had another operation on Friday. Doctors say he mightn't get full movement back in his right arms.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...icult-recovery-after-nerve-damage-to-arm.aspx

Hopefully Chaves can get back to full fitness but I still think this team needs a couple of good additions at the end of the year. Duarte done well at the end of the Giro but Atapuma has been a bit of a disappointment. I didn't notice him too much at the Giro and He didn't even stand out in Turkey against inferior opposition where I thought he would take the overall.

Arredondo(who won yesterday) and Acevedo are the obvious ones. Let's hope they have the budget for it.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Terrible news for Chaves. Just had another operation on Friday. Doctors say he mightn't get full movement back in his right arms.

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[gustavoduncan]

here i post an editorial i wrote yesterday. it's based on an interview i made to saldarriaga, rueda and echeverry from the 4-72 team, former colombia es pasion. sorry it's in spanish:

http://altimetriascolombia.blogspot.com/2013/06/colombians-are-back.html

i think it's confirmed the deficiencies of corti on riders preparation. actually he is not using power meters to prepare them

 

[Afrank]

Terrible news for Chaves. Just had another operation on Friday. Doctors say he mightn't get full movement back in his right arms.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...icult-recovery-after-nerve-damage-to-arm.aspx

Hopefully Chaves can get back to full fitness but I still think this team needs a couple of good additions at the end of the year. Duarte done well at the end of the Giro but Atapuma has been a bit of a disappointment. I didn't notice him too much at the Giro and He didn't even stand out in Turkey against inferior opposition where I thought he would take the overall.

Arredondo(who won yesterday) and Acevedo are the obvious ones. Let's hope they have the budget for it.

That is not good. Things just keep getting worse for him. Really hope that he can come back from this. A real shame that such a talent for Colombia may end up missing out on practically the entire season.

 

[jens_attacks]

pff and all from a stupid crash...it supposed to be just the usual broken collarbone
get well soon chavito!

 

[Arnout]

That is not good. Things just keep getting worse for him. Really hope that he can come back from this. A real shame that such a talent for Colombia may end up missing out on practically the entire season.

I think he will be happy if writing off the season is the only consequence of that fall. I'm hoping for the best...

 

[karlboss]

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Couldn't agree more.

 

[Afrank]

I think he will be happy if writing off the season is the only consequence of that fall. I'm hoping for the best...

I don't think anyone would be happy having to write off an entire season. But I see your point. Hopefully only one missed season is the worst that comes from this.

 

[The Hitch]

Terrible news for Chaves. Just had another operation on Friday. Doctors say he mightn't get full movement back in his right arms.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...icult-recovery-after-nerve-damage-to-arm.aspx

Hopefully Chaves can get back to full fitness but I still think this team needs a couple of good additions at the end of the year. Duarte done well at the end of the Giro but Atapuma has been a bit of a disappointment. I didn't notice him too much at the Giro and He didn't even stand out in Turkey against inferior opposition where I thought he would take the overall.

Arredondo(who won yesterday) and Acevedo are the obvious ones. Let's hope they have the budget for it.

Atapuma like the rest of coldeportes was I think waiting for the 2000m + stages where he breathes easy and everyone breathes hard. In fact i remember duarte saying during the giro the team was waiting for those stages.

As for chavez, I don't even want to think about it. Really like the guy. With that though it could be years before he reaches anywhere near the level his potential indicated, if ever.