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Carboncrank

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Your troll game is getting tiring, but that is your goal. It has been posted many times.

For example here

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=143434&postcount=565

http://marcawas5.recoletos.es/blogs/Controlador?opcion=9&codPost=5087



I am sure you will once again post some nonsensical garbage, if I do not respond I am sure the voices in your head will keep you company

Not at all. I don't know why I didn't see post 565. I know a couple of times the translator has been so hard to read I've given up.

You are right. MARKA Claims they have more than one source.

I have other issues with the story but on that you're right.
 

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Ah, I get it now; Nixon was innocent! Woodward and Bernstien had nothing but an anonymous source naming himself after a popular porn movie of the day. There were no bugs in the Watergate hotel, it was all a conspiracy concocted by Ford because being VP wasn't enough!

Quoting of anonymous sources is considered an acceptable part of journalism. In most functional democracies, journalists are protected from having to name their sources in court by law or constitution (Britain being one of the few exceptions).

There is however a legal means for LA/JB to demonstrate these accusations are false. But until I read that the respectable newspaper named Marca is being sued for libel in the Spanish courts I will continue to assume that the information they are presenting is accurate and that LA/JB don't have a leg to stand on.

Here's a topic you had not get in over you head on.

I know I mentioned my age. I picked up on those Washington post articles from the very first one about the break in. The line Bernstein and Woodward were being fed about the break in was about as plausible as Tigers Wood's wife rescuing him with a golf club.
I read all their articles and heard every minute of Watergate hearing testimony live as it happened.
I was at the memorial at Kent State on the 4th anniversary of the massacre and saw Daniel Ellsbergh waving his fresh of the press copy of the transcripts of the Nixon tapes, telling the crowd that we had won, Nixon was doomed. He resigned in August.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...g=914,1069622&dq=may+4th+1974+kent+ohio&hl=en

So don't presume to tell me about proper journalist sourcing, if modern journalism was as ethical and rigorous as Bernstein and Woodward.. don't get me started.

When using anonymous sources, you should have 2 or more people corroborating the same story. The only time Bernstein screwed up on that, a story about John Mitchel blew up in their faces and almost cost them everything. The story they were going with wasn't wrong, they misunderstood their second source's willingness to be a source. The found another source, published another story, which other news organizations corroborated with their own multiple sources, Nixon resigned and a bunch of people went to jail.

At the start of the Watergate story, people I tried to tell the story to tried to tell me that because the Washington Post was "liberal" that I had a pre-supposed tendency to believe what I was reading. Then another story came, and another and another.

This supposed event happened 7 months ago. MARCA is one sourced story.

I've done plenty of 'splainin' as to why I doubt it.

As far as a law suit goes, our resident attorney would probably tell us that in order for a law suit their would have to be damages. JB and Lance have expressed there indignation about it but they probably know they don't have a libel case.
 
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Finally - the crux of the biscuit.....Alberto admits he was jealous:

"There was a pair of wheels of a certain brand that were more advanced and lighter than the rest. I thought that there had to be equality in the team and I decided to buy a pair. "

BooHoo, Lance had better wheels. WaaWaa.


What is going to happen when Alberto sees the Sky Team Bus?

I didn't know Contador was part of Team Sky.
 
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CC sorry, but can you not count? There are surely at least 3 sources corroborating this story - the Marca journalist, the mechanic who weighed the wheels and discovered the discrepancy and Contador himself. How many more sources do you want?

Boss Hog have been caught out in their lies and no about of nit picking and obfuscation from paid chimps can obscure that fact. When even Bruyneel is forced to admit it then the game really is up.
 
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Thanks for posting it, I haven't seen it yet.

¿Es Valverde el chivo expiatorio de la operación Puerto?

No sé exactamente qué será finalmente Alejandro, pero es una historia que se está dilatando demasiado en el tiempo. Sea culpable o inocente, su caso se tendría que haber cerrado ya.

I agree, Close that damn case. It's old
 

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I thought that. I even started looking around their website to see if they could hook me up.......

I love Lance, he rocks, greatest cyclist of all time, His one ball is twice the size of Merckx's, whats the Giro, dont they make helmets for Lance? He won his races because he figured out that pedaling 5 rpm faster produced .1 watts more sustained power and that ment stage wins.

GIVE ME MONEY YOU *******S.

I have uploaded a new resume to demand where I lie a little more about my history. I told them that while I was in 'Ye Ole graybar' I had a cellmate named Bubba that had one ball and we just became very very VERY close. If I can get hired, I may need to do a bit of backtracking, but once I get in, it will be difficult to get rid of me even if I refuse to Polish his low rise stem.


I also added writing samples called,
'Is that a syringe in your pants or are you just....'
'Blood Bag Boogie'
'The Champ and the Mexican'
 
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OK, this is what google translate makes of it.

No more whispering in the corners, or a continuous hint of collusion. An endless table reveals the coexistence who now chairs the Astana. All to protect their leader in every breakfast and dinner during training camp in Calpe. There, Alberto Contador acts as the head of everything. It does not boast. Just reassure him.

Concentrations, commitments to sponsors, collecting awards, training ... Does it really make time for yourself?

Yes, A bit

Who do you feel free with?

With friends. Most of them do not have anything to do with cycling and I appreciate it a lot. Besides, I like to escape to the countryside to hunt and walk with my dog. It is a form of purification.

How long can you stay without a bike nearby?

Wow, a lot. Last year more than 80 days. However, I know there are cyclists who have to take on a bike daily.

Need or vice? ??? ( ¿Necesidad o vicio?)

No doubt the former. Some people train one day, and then they begin to worry about not getting the ideal weight and form or not getting to a point in his carreer. It is clear that to be a cyclist, you have to like suffering, but for me, rest is necessary. So, whenever I get a weekday to get away from it. I need to miss her and then take it harder. You can not do cycling 365 days a year. I further believe that with this altitude it becomes harder to win the Tour.

"Fame is good?

Well, more than fame, I think I have popular recognition.

A nuance in the incident.

Different things. The fame you can get, sometimes, doing nothing is one. But for the popular recognition you've got to win.


He said last year it cost to get the character. Can you win a Tour, and 2009, but not?

There is an incompatible situation. In my daily life, I still costs him out, but on the bike, fortunately, I become the character and he comes to compete.

Living a Tour with the enemy, would you have done more reserved?

No, no. I remain as before.

"And suspicious?

Neither.


So, no doubt will generate Astana this year?

None. Between colleagues, you always have more in common with some than with others. The good news is that this year there are enough people whom I trust implicitly. Again, I feel what fidelity is.

What about the rest you don't trust them?

Not that. In the'm still new acquaintance, but everyone knows that this team needs to be united.

How about you?

The target is to win the tour.

Is it unnatural a team with two leaders?

No, you can have two leaders perfectly. What happens is that the very strength of Armstrong, and the situation faced by the staff, are all very difficult for him.


Was there someone last season who said to you: "Alberto, I want to stay with you, but Armstrong gives me more money."

No, none. And no one came to me because, when it took the whole issue of Radioshack, I had not defined any project. We all need to collect at the end of the month. This is a job. Then it could not guarantee the future of the companions to stay with me. Also, the more they would have stayed with me, the harder it would have to negotiate my future. I committed myself to three riders, that was one that I could take charge. Note that not all computers can be made by three more chips my contract, which is high, and people (coaches) that I carry around. I understand the decision they made. I can not take anything on face.

To win the Tour, you have to beat Armstrong first?

Not necessarily. It might even be a mistake to focus only on Armstrong. There are other riders like him or even better able to get to Paris in yellow.

"Magnifies Armstrong win?

What is really magnifies win the Tour, which is the third most important event in sports worldwide. What happens is that Armstrong's presence is much greater impact. Everything with him is magnified.

Would you forgive Armstrong someday?

I have nothing to forgive. He wanted to win, like me.

Is it good for cycling that someone can win the Tour being38 years old?

The question is not if it's good or bad. The thing to assess is whether someone with this age can win.


What do you think?

Well, that is feasible. In the end, cycling is an endurance athlete like a marathon, which can compete with a high age. Another thing is after the body's recovery.


Andy Schleck said they will take the fight on the Tour where he is not expected. What is that where?

Honestly, I think that each kilometer. I know I expect a difficult Tour, perhaps hardest of all. Therefore I can not astray. The Tour is won with a little luck, but not leaving it to chance.

The duel with Armstrong can be seen as a cycling opportunity to re-claim as a sport?

No doubt. The impact that our presence has had on the same team has again put the spotlight cyclists. Sometimes less is what has been talked sports. Rivalry has been written about and controversial, and somewhat less about what happens on the road. Still, that's much better than talking only cycling for doping.

Do you mind talking about doping?

It doesnt bother me, but I don't like talking about it much

Why?

Because it is hard for your sport, it will always be under suspicion when, today, it is impossible to be more rigorous in the fight against doping in cycling. However, there are other sports that are treated differently.

Is Valverde the scapegoat of the Operation Puerto?

I do not know exactly what's going on with Alejandro, but it's a story that is dilating too in time.
Whether guilty or innocent, his case should have been closed already.

If we accept the public allegations of Manzano, which ensures that he "saw Valverde doping" make him guilty?

Do not know and I will not react.


Weird translation , I know!
 
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No more whispering in the corners, or a continuous hint of collusion. An endless table reveals the coexistence who now chairs the Astana. All to protect their leader in every breakfast and dinner during training camp in Calpe. There, Alberto Contador acts as the head of everything. It does not boast. Just reassure him.

haha, sure! :)
 

Carboncrank

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python said:
vino to marca:
"Contador can win five or six Tours"
http://translate.google.com/transla....com/ciclismo.html&sl=es&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

pledged complete total support for berto,

does not see how lance can beat berto in the mountains,

slams bruyneel hard,

opens door for kash in 2011

believes he could win the tour in 2006

hints at knowing how to race against lance

hope a a better translation becomes available.

"I was robbed."

Playing the victim appears to have become an official Astana team policy.
 
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Carboncrank said:
"I was robbed."

Playing the victim appears to have become an official Astana team policy.


Let me help you out before you hijack this thread yet again because you didn't fully comprehend the words you were reading:

He was robbed of a chance to win the Tour in 2006.

Not controversial at all and it's not worthy of further discussion.
 

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CC sorry, but can you not count? There are surely at least 3 sources corroborating this story - the Marca journalist, the mechanic who weighed the wheels and discovered the discrepancy and Contador himself. How many more sources do you want?

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The MARCA writer can not be a source for his own article, but it does appear to be a sourced story.

If Bernstien and Wooodward had only written one story Richard Nixon would have slept soundly in the White House for another two and a half years.

I think it would nice if the Spanish mechanic come forward, my name is fill in the blank and I'm the one that weighted the wheels or someone from Carbonsports coming forward and saying "yes Astana didn't buy all the same kind of wheel from us and at the last minute we sent a pair of special wheels to Alberto Contador, or a photo showing a different spoke pattern or different hub on different Astana TT bikes or any other Astana rider coming forward or any other Astana mechanic going on record.
 

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contra is still QQ about his wheels? OMG he is such a pussy. He won and put in a "spectacular" final time trial. Impressive considering his brakes were not rubbing!
 

Carboncrank

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Let me help you out before you hijack this thread yet again because you didn't fully comprehend the words you were reading:

He was robbed of a chance to win the Tour in 2006.

Not controversial at all and it's not worthy of further discussion.

"Be optimistic: if Lance, who is two years older than me, was third, why not me? I think I lost the chance to win the Tour in 2006 when I was not allowed to participate (post scandal Operación Puerto prevented the participation of the Astana). I was robbed. To win, I think now it's too late."

He clearly still has not taken responsibility for what happened.

Nobody who's admitted guilt of something continues to go around claiming they were robbed. He completely unrepentant and if you are an Astana fan I think that should bother you.
 
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Carboncrank said:
He clearly still has not taken responsibility for what happened.

Nobody who's admitted guilt of something continues to go around claiming they were robbed. He completely unrepentant and if you are an Astana fan I think that should bother you.

Totally unrepetent? Sounds like Armstrong, doesn't it? If you are a Retirement Shack fan then I think that should bother you.
 
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Carboncrank said:
"Be optimistic: if Lance, who is two years older than me, was third, why not me? I think I lost the chance to win the Tour in 2006 when I was not allowed to participate (post scandal Operación Puerto prevented the participation of the Astana). I was robbed. To win, I think now it's too late."

He clearly still has not taken responsibility for what happened.

Nobody who's admitted guilt of something continues to go around claiming they were robbed. He completely unrepentant and if you are an Astana fan I think that should bother you.

Take responsibility for what? I am confused, I think its 2008 not 2006 he is referring to.
 
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Carboncrank said:
"Be optimistic: if Lance, who is two years older than me, was third, why not me? I think I lost the chance to win the Tour in 2006 when I was not allowed to participate (post scandal Operación Puerto prevented the participation of the Astana). I was robbed. To win, I think now it's too late."

He clearly still has not taken responsibility for what happened.

Nobody who's admitted guilt of something continues to go around claiming they were robbed. He completely unrepentant and if you are an Astana fan I think that should bother you.

And what, pray tell, happened in 2006 that he was supposed to take responsibility for?

EDIT: I'm not asking a question I can't answer; I'm giving you an opportunity to pull your foot out of your mouth (proverbially speaking).
 
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Carboncrank said:
"Be optimistic: if Lance, who is two years older than me, was third, why not me? I think I lost the chance to win the Tour in 2006 when I was not allowed to participate (post scandal Operación Puerto prevented the participation of the Astana). I was robbed. To win, I think now it's too late."

He clearly still has not taken responsibility for what happened.

Nobody who's admitted guilt of something continues to go around claiming they were robbed. He completely unrepentant and if you are an Astana fan I think that should bother you.

Actually you're wrong about that vino was suspended in 2007, he's talking about 06 when Saiz and some of the riders, not vino, were implicated in OP so technically vino was kind of robbed in 2006
 

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this thread is turning to sheer agony. how long until a.c. races again?

Please, Dear Lord, let it be soon!!!

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