Contador acquitted

[meandmygitane]

Tour de Dopage II - Attack of the Clen... oops Clones

 

[spalco]

****ing crazy. I'm shocked they really went through with this theatre.

Is there any chance the CAS rules on this before the Tour?

 

[Señor_Contador]

indeed let's get rid of the phantom idea that criticizing Spanish (anti-)doping policies has anything to do with anti-Spanish sentiments. It doesn't.

Notice I never said anything pointing in that direction.

For me it's still a sports problem. For some it's a problem that takes place only in Spain. When I correct you I am not doing so because I think you're anti-Spanish, I am merely correcting you because you're wrong.

 

[la.margna]

Sorry for my ignorance, but whether 1yr, 2yr or no ban - the Tour de France win gets cancelled anyway as he tested positive on a banned substance, am I right?

 

[sniper]

Notice I never said anything pointing in that direction.

For me it's still a sports problem. For some it's a problem that takes place only in Spain. When I correct you I am not doing so because I think you're anti-Spanish, I am merely correcting you because you're wrong.

ok, thanks for clarifying that.
You're right, its a sports issue.

It is a problem that also (not exclusively) takes place in Spain. But since Spain is winning the prizes at the moment, they need to be ready to be in the headlights.
For the sake of Spain's reputation and public immage, they really need to (re)consider what's going on, and ask themselves where all these critical voices come from. Just jealousy?

 

[Jamsque]

Whatever, man. I'm sorry I ****ed you off, I'm sorry you think I'm 'spilling bile' or treating Spain with 'viciousness', I'm sorry you think my disdain for the RFEC's treatment of Contador is a slight against your country. I think you are out of line, but I'm willing to drop it.

I love Spain. I love Spanish food, Spanish wine, Spanish history, Spanish culture, Spanish people... I haven't visited many times but when I have it's been a great experience. I even love Spanish cycling! The last time I visited Granada I had a blast watching Cadel Evans win a stage of the Vuelta a Andalucia, the Vuelta a Espana is always an exciting spectacle, and I've been a life-long fan of Carlos Sastre and Juan-Antonio Flecha. My love for all of these facets of Spain and Spanishness has no bearing whatsoever on my disgust at the country's recent record in prosecuting its sportsmen when they are found to have breached doping regulations, any more than that disgust has any bearing on my love for Rioja or chorizo.

If the RFEC lets Contador walk after a positive test for a controlled substance, it is a scandal and a disgrace. That's my last word on the matter, and I am done with this thread.

 

[Barrus]

Sorry for my ignorance, but whether 1yr, 2yr or no ban - the Tour de France win gets cancelled anyway as he tested positive on a banned substance, am I right?

I would presume that if he does not get banned that there is no ground to take his win, seeing as in that case he had done nothing contrary to the rules

 

[BroDeal]

This whole thing is due to WADA's incompetence. Having no minimum threshold on a substance with known food contamination issues is stupid. It ensares the innocent who travel to places like Mexico, and it allows the guilty in countries without contamination problems to claim that they too are victims. The Cologne lab warned that the ever more sensitive limits of detection could causes problems. WADA did nothing. Now the anti-doping framework looks foolish and unfair.

 

[spalco]

This whole thing is due to WADA's incompetence. Having no minimum threshold on a substance with known food contamination issues is stupid. It ensares the innocent who travel to places like Mexico, and it allows the guilty in countries without contamination problems to claim that they too are victims. The Cologne lab warned that the ever more sensitive limits of detection could causes problems. WADA did nothing. Now the anti-doping framework looks foolish and unfair.

The only ones who look foolish here is the RFEC and the Spanish political establishment for thinking they can get away with this bull****.

 

[Lanark]

Not quite - CAS will only rule on the case (if there is an appeal).

It is WADA who sets the rules and criteria - this is a high profile case that has stunk from the outset and WADA have been closely monitoring it.
Both the UCI (by keeping the case quiet even after the A&B had returned positive) and the RFEC drawing this case out and checking the temperature of public opinion by putting out various conclusions.

Yes, CAS will only rule when there has been an appeal, and they have never indicated that there is anything wrong with the current system where the national federation judges his own athletes. I doubt the CAS even has the jurisdiction to completely change the current system. I don't think WADA has ever said they think anything is wrong with the current system.

Sure, there are some signs that this case was drawn out, so what? That's hardly in Contador's best interest, and certainly no reason to expect that someone will completely overhaul the current system of doping law.

 

[Publicus]

This whole thing is due to WADA's incompetence. Having no minimum threshold on a substance with known food contamination issues is stupid. It ensares the innocent who travel to places like Mexico, and it allows the guilty in countries without contamination problems to claim that they too are victims. The Cologne lab warned that the ever more sensitive limits of detection could causes problems. WADA did nothing. Now the anti-doping framework looks foolish and unfair.

+1. Hopefully WADA sorts this out going forward, because as the testing gets more precise, I suspect this will continue to be a problem.

 

[roadiemtl]

So what is going to happen

To me it was clear from the beginning that the Spanish would do anything neccessary to acquit Contandor of wrong doing.

Now that it is going to be done (Spanish Justice) what does that mean?

Is he back to racing?

Keeps his TDF?

Can race in the TDF?

WADA is powerless???

Whats going on here? do certain countries get a pass when caught cheating? is this the new justice?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

people here have no idea. coni fails the hardest at getting cyclists banned. they scream the loudest but proove the smallest. in spain cyclists at least get 2 years suspension if caught on doping and no screaming media razzia's where they collect nosesprays or whatever

 

[sniper]

Anti-Spanish sentiments in Germany?

"Ein Freispruch Contadors wäre ein weiteres Beispiel für den laxen Umgang mit Doping in Spanien."
an acquittal for AC would be another example of the negligent way of dealing with doping in Spain.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/0,1518,745509,00.html

 

[analo69]

Havent read the whole thread.

How are the rules if he doesn't get a ban? Can he ride untill a final CAS desicion has been made if the UCI appeals?

 

[Andynonomous]

Victory, or sullied reputation ?

A lot of partisans have been cheering this (alleged) decision. But this is what many of us expected from the severely corrupt Spanish system.

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[peloton]

This whole thing is due to WADA's incompetence. Having no minimum threshold on a substance with known food contamination issues is stupid. It ensares the innocent who travel to places like Mexico, and it allows the guilty in countries without contamination problems to claim that they too are victims. The Cologne lab warned that the ever more sensitive limits of detection could causes problems. WADA did nothing. Now the anti-doping framework looks foolish and unfair.

+1
well said.

 

[Ryaguas]

Lets hope the same for Ricco

Yes plz! =D

Also i think Contador is a better ambassador for the sport than Andrew

hahahaha good point there...

In this case, as far as we know, a ban would be most appropriate, he had a substance in his test sample and there was strict liability, it is only right he would be banned.

Is clearly a malicious headline from my PoV...

Let him race.

+1

No wonder we don't get to organize World Cups and Olympic Games.

That is cuz the other put TONS of money =D

Susan, this is the Clinic. We don't wait for official word. Official word waits for us.

hahahahaha LOLed!

 

[Señor_Contador]

A lot of partisans have been cheering this (alleged) decision. But this is what many of us expected from the severely corrupt Spanish system.

This DOES NOT reflect well on Spain, or it's people.

How friggin so??

The majority of Spaniards couldn't even tell you what team Contandor is in. What business do you have involving all of Spain and Spaniards in what is clearly a sports doping problem?

What is it with you people?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

This whole thing is due to WADA's incompetence. Having no minimum threshold on a substance with known food contamination issues is stupid. It ensares the innocent who travel to places like Mexico, and it allows the guilty in countries without contamination problems to claim that they too are victims. The Cologne lab warned that the ever more sensitive limits of detection could causes problems. WADA did nothing. Now the anti-doping framework looks foolish and unfair.

thank you, best thing said in this thread yet. contador being the scapegoat from a failing wada is unfair

 

[python]

+1. Hopefully WADA sorts this out going forward, because as the testing gets more precise, I suspect this will continue to be a problem.

this is only one of two generic issues, connected to the case, that wada needs to sort out..another one is further relaxation/refinement to the strict liability principle.

to wada's credit, under legal pressure from some scholars, they have gradually and carefully relaxed it. more needs to be done.

both topics belong to another thread.

introduction of threashold for clen is a subject of hot controversy even amongst the prominent anti-doping labs. those who paid attention to publicly available sources, can easily see that there is a clear split of opinions within wada.

imo, without an appropriate cas ruling, wada will drag its feet.

 

[spalco]

I honestly can't believe there are still people here who believe Contador's riduculous beef defense.

It's one thing to say you don't care if he's doped and you want him acquitted because you like to see him ride (and win I suppose), but please don't pretend to be that gullible and think everybody else is stupid enough to buy it.

 

[sniper]

I honestly can't believe there are still people here who believe Contador's riduculous beef defense.

It's one thing to say you don't care if he's doped and you want him acquitted because you like to see him ride (and win I suppose), but please don't pretend to be that gullible and think everybody else is stupid enough to buy it.

+1

though an open and interesting question is still whether he actually ate beef that day.

I myself am rather convinced the HUMO story is accurate (i.e. a CLEN-treatment after the Dauphine). That would for instance explain why AC never did a hairtest.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

This whole thing is due to WADA's incompetence. Having no minimum threshold on a substance with known food contamination issues is stupid. It ensares the innocent who travel to places like Mexico, and it allows the guilty in countries without contamination problems to claim that they too are victims. The Cologne lab warned that the ever more sensitive limits of detection could causes problems. WADA did nothing. Now the anti-doping framework looks foolish and unfair.

I see your point. I do not agree but that is a different discussion.

In my opinion it is still ToyPistol's fault for having been careless with his Clen useage.

Really this whole thing is due to France having some substandard beef. I am sure the French agree with that.

 

[lean mean &green]

thank you, best thing said in this thread yet. contador being the scapegoat from a failing wada is unfair

let me guess, in your mind...

WADA is the persecutor

RFEC is the rescuer

and Contador is a victim

am i close?