Contador and Spanish cycling

[ultimobici]

Intersting, but he still excuses himself as a wronged athlete!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/con...s-to-introduce-zero-tolerance-for-dope-cheats

 

[Zweistein]

Intersting, but he still excuses himself as a wronged athlete!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/con...s-to-introduce-zero-tolerance-for-dope-cheats

It was an incredibly weak sauce thing they banned him on.

 

[bridgeman]

It was an incredibly weak sauce thing they banned him on.

If that's how you feel then you haven't done your homework.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Is this like that time he said he had always surrounded himself by people who opposed doping?

Lol

 

[ultimobici]

It was an incredibly weak sauce thing they banned him on.

Is that why they banned him for 2 years? Ah, now I see....

 

[LaFlorecita]

If that's how you feel then you haven't done your homework.

He was banned because he couldn't prove the steak theory was the most likely theory. CAS ruled a contaminated supplement was the most likely source. I can understand some people think it is an incredibly "weak sauce thing"

 

[frenchfry]

In an interview with French tv Alberto said that he is all for zero tolerance and that there is no place in cycling for liars and cheaters. And he also said that he has never done anything against the rules and that his comments about Armstrong were misinterpreted.

When he said he was for zero tolerance, the French commentator pointed out that this anti-doping stance was most likely motivated by the fact that Saxo is no longer Pro tour and dependant on an invitation for the TDF and that an agressive anti-doping position would be required to appeal to ASO.

Contador did say that his earlier comments about Armstrong were misinterpreted, again so he could be seen as an anti-doping kind of guy.

Contador also said that if Armstrong was found guilty of what he did, then he deserved his punishment. On the other hand, he said he had never doped himself despite having been found guilty of such and sanctioned accordingly. I interpret this as "zero tolerance, except for me". Pretty twisted logic.

I am not sure how many he convinced, clearly the journalist doing the interview wasn't, going by his comments added after the interview.

There was a photo of Pepi Martin in the background during part of the interview, and the interviewer pointed out he was Contador's ex-preparer. Didn't leave Contador's "I have never doped" declaration with much credibility.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Is that why they banned him for 2 years? Ah, now I see....

1 year if a person can prove no significant fault or negligence. No ban if a person can prove no fault or negligence. Note the word "prove". If one fails to do this it's two years

 

[LaFlorecita]

When he said he was for zero tolerance, the French commentator pointed out that this anti-doping stance was most likely motivated by the fact that Saxo is no longer Pro tour and dependant on an invitation for the TDF and that an agressive anti-doping position would be required to appeal to ASO.

Contador did say that his earlier comments about Armstrong were misinterpreted, again so he could be seen as an anti-doping kind of guy.

Contador also said that if Armstrong was found guilty of what he did, then he deserved his punishment. On the other hand, he said he had never doped himself despite having been found guilty of such and sanctioned accordingly. I interpret this as "zero tolerance, except for me". Pretty twisted logic.

I am not sure how many he convinced, clearly the journalist doing the interview wasn't, going by his comments added after the interview.

There was a photo of Pepi Martin in the background during part of the interview, and the interviewer pointed out he was Contador's ex-preparer. Didn't leave Contador's "I have never doped" declaration with much credibility.

Ah the French were being total *******s again. Typical Anyway we already knew the French hate Alberto, because he's Spanish or because whatever the **** else

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Is that why they banned him for 2 years? Ah, now I see....

No, that is why the 2015 WADA code review has proposals for flexible and proportionate sanctions, rather than an inflexible 'one fits all' system.

 

[airstream]

He pretends to be brave. That's all right. When he gets popped for the second time, he will go comment the Vuelta alongside Heras. Contador will always be a national hero for Spain. Though world cycling community would curse him then IMO.

I wonder why no one asked him to lay out blood values after the Vuelta as a proof of cleanliness... Why didn't he do this himself?! Confidentiality doesn't allow to or what? )

In my view, superelite riders need some special punishments. Something like 2 year salaries + 4 year ban if one is caught. Then something should work better.

Surely the post is being written not without irony so fans may consider this trolling if they like.

 

[Siriuscat]

he's becoming a pretty embarrassing figure. your blind support for him is pretty embarrassing as well, though that's just an opinion.
in germany dirty is no more than a symbol of the spanish golden doping generation.
germany represents almost half of europe. the envious and bitter half i guess.

No Germany would like to think it represents half of Europe...slightly different emphasis. He's put out the same sound bite as half of the rest of them, Contador still feels he's innocent as do many of his fans, me included, his positive had the hands of the UCI and that other bloke from Texas all over it and from that you get his reaction

 

[Ferminal]

Why did the UCI try and cover it up then?

 

[airstream]

No Germany would like to think it represents half of Europe...slightly different emphasis. He's put out the same sound bite as half of the rest of them, Contador still feels he's innocent as do many of his fans, me included, his positive had the hands of the UCI and that other bloke from Texas all over it and from that you get his reaction

I can understand an opinion 'he is not guilty because the rest are the same', but do you really admit a clean guy can beat dopers?

 

[Siriuscat]

Why did the UCI try and cover it up then?

It's the UCI, "face" is all ...... whatever side of the fence that might be on any particular day!!

 

[ebandit]

poor alberto

poor alberto.........should have sense to keep quiet

zero tolerence..................good idea alberto...............that clen would

have seen you banned for life? quite right there is no place

for dopers within the sport...........goodbye!

'i worked within the regulations'....................what? you only doped to 50%

 

[Siriuscat]

I can understand an opinion 'he is not guilty because the rest are the same', but do you really admit a clean guy can beat dopers?

Well.... you seem to have put Andy on that pedestal....oh wait he's yet to beat people on the road...

TBH yes I think clean riders can beat doped. Everyone holds Evans up as this kind of talisman so why not.

As La Floricita pointed out Contador was banned for the presence of a substance that he could not establish beyond any doubt how it got into his system. Throw in any semantics you like and counter arguements on the case but thats how it was presented and appealed through RFEC and CAS!

 

[Parrulo]

i honestly think contador should just shut up low his head and let the storm pass by hoping it doesn't blow his house away in the process.

no1 will believe this kind of speech coming from him and the septics will just think he is an hypocrite. if he let's his ridding do the talk for him he will surely get more appreciation from the fans then what he could ever get with the press.

besides next year if he beats the sky train(which i think he will) people will just say he is still doping, and if he doesn't then people will say he is no longer doping and doping was the only reason why he won as we all know the highest position an english speaking rider finishes in a GT is the highest position possible to achieve while clean.

 

[airstream]

Well.... you seem to have put Andy on that pedestal....oh wait he's yet to beat people on the road...

TBH yes I think clean riders can beat doped. Everyone holds Evans up as this kind of talisman so why not.

As La Floricita pointed out Contador was banned for the presence of a substance that he could not establish beyond any doubt how it got into his system. Throw in any semantics you like and counter arguements on the case but thats how it was presented and appealed through RFEC and CAS!

Edgar gives about 15% inflow of energy cells, transfusions — up to 20%. No matter how one is strong, talented and so on he can not close such a huge gap while riding clean.

You are too venomous. You love to ridicule one's sympathies and fanatically defend your own... Go ahead.

 

[Siriuscat]

Edgar gives about 15% inflow of energy cells, transfusions — up to 20%. No matter how one is strong, talented and so on he can not close such a huge gap while riding clean.

So what is the answer with Evans, are you saying he must be doped as well?? And Andy...and everyone else??? Under the right circumstances doped riders can be beaten however it depends on whether you think any of the pro-peleton are clean or not.

You are too venomous. Love to ridicule one's sympathies? Go ahead.

I'd call it a quid pro quo.....you dig at our Bertie fandom we'll throw Andy right back at you...it's how the game is played

 

[airstream]

So what is the answer with Evans, are you saying he must be doped as well?? And Andy...and everyone else??? Under the right circumstances doped riders can be beaten however it depends on whether you think any of the pro-peleton are clean or not.



I'd call it a quid pro quo.....you dig at our Bertie fandom we'll throw Andy right back at you...it's how the game is played

I don't defend my sympathies cos I understand to persuade people is impossible. Hm, my views don't depend on any fandoms.

Until 2008 everyone in a GT top-10 vastly doped. As for subsequent years, I'd like to believe in changes for the better.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Contador's a funny guy, not to mention a flip flopper. One minute he supports and praises Wonderboy, the next he's calling for tougher penalties for cheating, despite he himself getting popped for cheating/doping.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Until 2008 everyone in a GT top-10 vastly doped. As for subsequent years, I'd like to believe in changes for the better.

I wouldn't go so far as to say everyone in 08 doped w/o proof. I would say however, that if Cadel did indeed dope in 08 as you claim, then how do we know he's clean now? If he did dope, then shouldn't he be held to the same standards as everyone else & have his tdf title stripped if thats the case?

 

[Arnout]

Ah the French were being total *******s again. Typical Anyway we already knew the French hate Alberto, because he's Spanish or because whatever the **** else

You aren't allowed to say this, a certain Lance Armstrong from Austin has copyrighted this reasoning...

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Intersting, but he still excuses himself as a wronged athlete!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/con...s-to-introduce-zero-tolerance-for-dope-cheats

Sometimes you really have to wonder if they're not just saying some of this stuff to keep us entertained over the winter.