Contador and Spanish cycling

[del1962]

See Contador's team manager is still denying TH's accusation that he put him in touch with Fuentes, this may hamper the team;s ability to get a pro - licence

 

[Le Baroudeur]

See Contador's team manager is still denying TH's accusation that he put him in touch with Fuentes, this may hamper the team;s ability to get a pro - licence

It has to. The word is that Tyler's twin has corroborated his story.

 

[del1962]

It has to. The word is that Tyler's twin has corroborated his story.

I think it is seems failry obvious that Riiis is mentioned in Tyler's affadavit, you seem to have a problem with TH though.

 

[Gregga]

That shouldn't go here. Bugno is the head of the riders union, so what he said is particularly troubling.

Bugno is one of the first EPO user in spring 1990, he wouldn't like old stories to come out. Wish I could see his blood datas from 1988 to 1996, would be funny.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

I think it is seems failry obvious that Riiis is mentioned in Tyler's affadavit, you seem to have a problem with TH though.

I have a problem with corroboration, motive, and Poets.

 

[LaFlorecita]

David Millar's opinion

Alberto Contador and Miguel Indurain have recently, and bizarrely, defended Armstrong. "I've thought a lot about them", Millar says of the former Tour de France winners, "because I know Contador and Indurain. I was so disappointed when I read those comments. But I live in Spain and have lots of Spanish friends. Our Anglo-Saxon mentality is puritanical – 'Punish 'em forever, they did wrong.' But the Spanish say: 'He's a father of five, he works for charity, he rides a bike … let's move on.' It was incredibly inappropriate what they said and, believe me, they went 'Oh ****!' when it broke. But they had no idea that what they said was wrong because their mentality is so different."

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[LaFlorecita]

In an interview with French tv Alberto said that he is all for zero tolerance and that there is no place in cycling for liars and cheaters. And he also said that he has never done anything against the rules and that his comments about Armstrong were misinterpreted.

 

[sniper]

In an interview with French tv Alberto said that he is all for zero tolerance and that there is no place in cycling for liars and cheaters. And he also said that he has never done anything against the rules and that his comments about Armstrong were misinterpreted.

sounds like the typical words of an unrepentent doper.

the peloton-internal rules of cycling are simple: dope or be a dope.
so if Dirty says he's never done anything against the rules, well, he's right.
Typical that he can't utter the words 'i never used PEDs'.
Makes one wonder what they asked him when he took the liedetector test.


What a sorry-assed liar.

 

[cineteq]

In an interview with French tv Alberto said that he is all for zero tolerance and that there is no place in cycling for liars and cheaters. And he also said that he has never done anything against the rules and that his comments about Armstrong were misinterpreted.

So what's your opinion on his comments?

 

[LaFlorecita]

so what's your opinion on his comments?

? ? ? ?

 

[cineteq]

? ? ? ?

I thought so. Let's focus on the future.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I thought so. Let's focus on the future.

Wtf I just don't know what you want me to say, I don't know if what he says is true I just post it here

 

[LaFlorecita]

sounds like the typical words of an unrepentent doper.

the peloton-internal rules of cycling are simple: dope or be a dope.
so if Dirty says he's never done anything against the rules, well, he's right.
Typical that he can't utter the words 'i never used PEDs'.
Makes one wonder what they asked him when he took the liedetector test.


What a sorry-assed liar.

Is "I've never doped" ok though?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-will-appeal-tour-de-france-doping-sanction

 

[cineteq]

Wtf I just don't know what you want me to say, I don't know if what he says is true I just post it here

I was asking what do you think of it. Do you have an opinion at all?

 

[LaFlorecita]

I was asking what do you think of it. Do you have an opinion at all?

No I don't have an opinion because I don't know if I can believe him on this matter. Sounds good to me though. It doesn't have to be true. That's the way it works, Wiggo and Kittel did it too.

 

[cineteq]

No I don't have an opinion because I don't know if I can believe him on this matter. Sounds good to me though. It doesn't have to be true. That's the way it works, Wiggo and Kittel did it too.

We're cool, fair enough.

 

[sniper]

Is "I've never doped" ok though?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-will-appeal-tour-de-france-doping-sanction

he's becoming a pretty embarrassing figure. your blind support for him is pretty embarrassing as well, though that's just an opinion.
in germany dirty is no more than a symbol of the spanish golden doping generation.
germany represents almost half of europe. the envious and bitter half i guess.

 

[LaFlorecita]

he's becoming a pretty embarrassing figure. your blind support for him is pretty embarrassing as well, though that's just an opinion.

Edit: that wasn't very nice.

Anyway, you are wrong

 

[LaFlorecita]

he's becoming a pretty embarrassing figure. your blind support for him is pretty embarrassing as well, though that's just an opinion.
in germany dirty is no more than a symbol of the spanish golden doping generation.
germany represents almost half of europe. the envious and bitter half i guess.

Maybe it would be good to read this from post #44 onward and make sure you don't miss post #50

http://velorooms.com/the-doping-section/the-'who-do-we-support-in-2013-list'/msg70247/#msg70247

 

[Le Baroudeur]

he's becoming a pretty embarrassing figure. your blind support for him is pretty embarrassing as well, though that's just an opinion.
in germany dirty is no more than a symbol of the spanish golden doping generation.
germany represents almost half of europe. the envious and bitter half i guess.

So they like to talk about Spain do they?

And there was I thinking that Germany had enough to talk about with their own doping past, present and coverups? I guess it's always easier to look outside your own borders for blame... Doping your socks off and still getting beaten must hurt, especially considering the huge contribution to the art given by them during the glowing years. Can't they just give Jörg his own TV show? He perfectly fits the media bill of lashing out blame and refusal to accept his own limitations, responsibilities and flaws...

I would have thought an unbiased, open minded, well intended, bright spark like you would be able to read around and between the media ad nauseam and enjoy the real play as the après-piste politics unfold?

 

[Nilsson]

Makes one wonder what they asked him when he took the liedetector test.

1. The Polygraph Examination CAS 2011/A/2384 UCI v. Alberto Contador Velasco & RFEC - Page 78 CAS 2011/A/2386 WADA v. Alberto Contador Velasco & RFEC

385. In order to corroborate his assertion that he did not undergo a blood transfusion of any kind at the relevant time, the Athlete voluntarily underwent a polygraph examination on 3 May 2011. In doing so, Mr Contador was asked and answered two series of question as follows:

- “Did you undergo a transfusion on July 20 or July 21, 2010? (No)
- On July 20 or July 21, 2010 did you receive a transfusion? (No)
- Did you submit to a transfusion on July 20 or July 21, 2010? (No)”
and;
- “Did you knowingly ingest clenbuterol on July 20 or July 21, 2010? (No)
- Between July 20 and July 21, 2010 did you deliberately ingest clenbuterol? (No)
- Were you aware that clenbuterol was entering your body, in any way, on July 20 or
July 21, 2010? (No)”

386. Dr Louis Rovner concluded in his expert report, and confirmed during the hearing, that “it is my professional opinion that Alberto Contador was telling the truth when he answered the relevant questions above, and, as such, that he did not undergo a transfusion of blood, plasma, or any other substance on either July 20, 2010 or July 21, 2010”.

387. The polygraph results and video of the polygraph were sent for independent review to Dr Palmatier, polygraph credibility consultant, who concluded in his expert report, and confirmed during the hearing by videoconference, that: “After a complete review of all of the materials supplied, and both a semi-objective and objective assessment of the recorded physiological data, I concur with Dr Rovner’s findings that Alberto Contador was truthful when he responded to the relevant questions asked in each of his […] examinations”.

 

[sniper]

So they like to talk about Spain do they?

And there was I thinking that Germany had enough to talk about with their own doping past, present and coverups? I guess it's always easier to look outside your own borders for blame... Doping your socks off and still getting beaten must hurt, especially considering the huge contribution to the art given by them during the glowing years. Can't they just give Jörg his own TV show? He perfectly fits the media bill of lashing out blame and refusal to accept his own limitations, responsibilities and flaws...

I would have thought an unbiased, open minded, well intended, bright spark like you would be able to read around and between the media ad nauseam and enjoy the real play as the après-piste politics unfold?

the German press pay comparatively much attention to blatant cheating. Basically, they don't like it, they don't apologize it, and they don't beat around the bush when describing it. They tackle it.
Whether it's their own politicians doing plagiarism or taking bribes (regardless how small), their own sporters using PEDs (e.g. T-mobile, Pechstein), or Sjakhtar's goal against that Danish club: they (the press that is!) show and express their disgust.
And no, they don't hide their own doping past. Not sure why you imply that in your post. You wouldn't have if you were acquainted with German sports press. In fact, the government recently funded a research project that was supposed to look into the (East and West) German doping past, but the research and the researchers were sabotaged from above in various different ways, particularly by the German Olympic Committee who were clearly afraid of the results. How do I know? Indeed, because the German press covered the story in detail. You know what the unanimous conclusion in the press was? Indeed, that present-day German topsport is likely to be rife with doping and that guys from higher up are trying to cover it up.
By the way, before quitting due to the resistance from above, the research team did manage to leak some preliminary results: the 1966 German soccer team who became world champions was doped.

So no, the german press clearly don't, as you imply, only look beyond their own borders for blame.
And meanwhile, i don't see why they shouldn't also look beyond their own borders, especially when it comes to transnational activities such as sports.

 

[airstream]

Contador is in a very tricky situation actually. He has nothing say. If he defends Lance, it comes to light he is a doping accomplice. If he accuses Lance, he is a traitor and hypocrit. It is very difficult to find correct words when they don't exist. Contador desperately maneuvers between two fires. It looks bungle. Other thing is possibly for the years of lies some global change in mind may occure. Who knows possibly he really could convince himself that he had never done anything the rules and feels like a random victim

 

[Le Baroudeur]

the German press pay comparatively much attention to blatant cheating. Basically, they don't like it, they don't apologize it, and they don't beat around the bush when describing it. They tackle it.
Whether it's their own politicians doing plagiarism or taking bribes (regardless how small), their own sporters using PEDs (e.g. T-mobile, Pechstein), or Sjakhtar's goal against that Danish club: they (the press that is!) show and express their disgust.
And no, they don't hide their own doping past. Not sure why you imply that in your post. You wouldn't have if you were acquainted with German sports press. In fact, the government recently funded a research project that was supposed to look into the (East and West) German doping past, but the research and the researchers were sabotaged from above in various different ways, particularly by the German Olympic Committee who were clearly afraid of the results. How do I know? Indeed, because the German press covered the story in detail. You know what the unanimous conclusion in the press was? Indeed, that present-day German topsport is likely to be rife with doping. By the way, before quitting due to the resistance from above, the research team did manage to leak some preliminary results: the 1966 German soccer team who became world champions was doped.

Imagine something similar happening in Spain. rolleyes.

I'm more than aware of what the German press writes about.

A piece I read the other day

I'm also aware of what the media doesn't write and how they play the public.

Fair factual and balanced is the closet I stand in (you asked before your edit). I have no issue at all with fair and balanced critique. quite the contrary.

 

[hrotha]

Is this like that time he said he had always surrounded himself by people who opposed doping?