Contador Blood Doped

[krebs303]

It is not as if you can find the plasticiser on the inside of a carry bag or a capsule foil, or by chewing on a curtain.

It is a special compound on the inside of blood bags, used to prevent the blood from clotting (as it normally does) upon coming in contact with a foreign surface.

So it is not even present on the inside of IV saline sets. It is only used for blood bags to simulate the inside of a vein or artery and prevent the stored bloog from clotting immediately (before freezing or after thawing).

you are incorrect sir
http://www.healthandsafetyevents.co....TRY REGS.pdf
Many vinyl gloves leach dangerous levels of DEHP and other plasticisers Three phthalates, including the controversial DEHP, have been included in the EU’s REACH list of Substances of Very High Concern. Testing of popular PVC food industry and food service gloves has shown recent migration results between 300 and 600 mg/dm2, where overall migration of all substances is limited by to 10 mg/dm2. Japan outlawed the use of vinyl gloves for food contact in 2001 following a study of migration levels.

 

[BigFatSal]

No, that would not cause the levels to spike 10x from one day to the next. Even if there were plastizicers in the packaging that would only serve as a background.

Do we know if level has spiked ? Have all blood samples from the tour been analysed ? Apologies for my ignorance.

 

[python]

It is not as if you can find the plasticiser on the inside of a carry bag or a capsule foil, or by chewing on a curtain.

It is a special compound on the inside of blood bags, used to prevent the blood from clotting (as it normally does) upon coming in contact with a foreign surface.

So it is not even present on the inside of IV saline sets. It is only used for blood bags to simulate the inside of a vein or artery and prevent the stored bloog from clotting immediately (before freezing or after thawing).

sorry bro, if you are going to place so much misinformation in your first post you need to be brought back to reality. plasticizers do help in storing blood somewhat but they are everywhere, literally, in 100s of food broducts wrappers, and have nothing to do with blood bags exclusively. their contamination has long been known and studied!!!!!!!!

http://www.aerias.org/DesktopModules/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleId=60

Di (2-ethylhexyl) phthalate [DEHP]: building products, food packaging, children's products and medical devices DEHP is added to PVC to make some soft, clingy wraps for commercial use.

They found high levels of DEHP in the cheeses wrapped in deli cling wrap. People who eat several ounces of this cheese every day could get very high doses of DEHP that could possibly cause health problems.

Some flexible vinyl plastic medical supplies, such as blood bags and intravenous (IV) tubing and IV bags, may contain DEHP that can leach out from the product into the patient.10 Medical device makers point out that the phthalates like DEHP leaching out of the plastic bags used to store blood actually help extend the blood's shelf life.

The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) currently limits the proportion of plasticizers like DEHP in food containers to 30 percent, but there are no such requirements for their use in medical supplies.

 

[dolophonic]

Dayum I think Python just nailed that one.
I do find it interesting that this is the first time we have really had plasticiser appear. No other tests in no other contenders? Really? Or is this just piling on?
What about as a result of an I.V. ? Is that possible?

 

[Arnout]

sorry bro, if you are going to place so much misinformation in your first post you need to be brought back to reality. plasticizers do help in storing blood somewhat but they are everywhere, literally, in 100s of food broducts wrappers, and have nothing to do with blood bags exclusively. their contamination has long been known and studied!!!!!!!!

http://www.aerias.org/DesktopModules/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleId=60

What about bidons and the gels they eat during the race? I remember the day before the rest day was the stage to Pau, in which there were attacks unusually early.

 

[roundabout]

So Contador doesn't bother unwrapping his food, is that what you're saying?

 

[python]

So Contador doesn't bother unwrapping his food, is that what you're saying?

are you saying that contador ate his blood bag after the transfusion instead of dumping it in a toilet like a good doper should ? is that what you are saying ?

 

[Ferminal]

So Contador doesn't bother unwrapping his food, is that what you're saying?

are you saying that contador ate his blood bag after the transfusion instead of dumping it in a toilet like a good doper should ? is that what you are saying ?

Oh you two

I think he cuts it into small pieces so it's easier to eat first, then dumps it in the toilet.

 

[BigFatSal]

sorry bro, if you are going to place so much misinformation in your first post you need to be brought back to reality. plasticizers do help in storing blood somewhat but they are everywhere, literally, in 100s of food broducts wrappers, and have nothing to do with blood bags exclusively. their contamination has long been known and studied!!!!!!!!

http://www.aerias.org/DesktopModules/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleId=60

Does this mean that transfusing is impossible to prove. If so, isn't it highly unfair to publish results especially from a test that is not normally used. Or have I got that last bit wrong, Have read so much over the last couple of days my head is whirling with it and a lot of it too technical for me.

I'm really upset over all this. I like Contador and have spent many happy hours watching him and would genuinely like to think him innocent.

 

[Arnout]

So Contador doesn't bother unwrapping his food, is that what you're saying?

You cannot imagine how much plastic you eat during a day. Drinking from a small water bottle doesn't help. And the riders often use their teeth to open a gel.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

You cannot imagine how much plastic you eat during a day. Drinking from a small water bottle doesn't help. And the riders often use their teeth to open a gel.

Irrelevant since he does so everyday. Unlikely explanation of a >tenfold increase over night.

Did you read the study Ingsve linked to? Contador's concentration of DEHP was 480 ng/ml. That's roughly 5 times more than the highest value recorded in any member of the control group and even higher than the highest value in a "hospitalized patient exposed to different medical treatments involving plastic materials (catheters, infusion sets, tubes, parenteral nutrition, etc.)".

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1537-2995.2009.02352.x/full

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You cannot imagine how much plastic you eat during a day. Drinking from a small water bottle doesn't help. And the riders often use their teeth to open a gel.

All plastic is NOT the same. Look on the bottom of a bidon and you'll see #4, LPDE.

 

[TubularBills]

Irrelevant since he does so everyday. Unlikely explanation of a >tenfold increase over night.

Did you read the study Ingsve linked to? Contador's concentration of DEHP was 480 ng/ml. That's roughly 5 times more than the highest value recorded in any member of the control group and even higher than the highest value in a "hospitalized patient exposed to different medical treatments involving plastic materials (catheters, infusion sets, tubes, parenteral nutrition, etc.)".

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1537-2995.2009.02352.x/full

From the link above:

"RESULTS: Urinary concentrations of all three DEHP metabolites were significantly higher in patients receiving blood transfusion than in nontransfused patients and the control group, except for MEHHP and MEOHP in the period 24 to 48 hours. Samples from four athletes showed increased concentrations of DEHP metabolites comparable to urinary concentrations of patients receiving blood transfusion."

So simple logic would say it can be used as a positive indicator for transfusions.

& The spike in DEHP concentrations in rest day samples eliminates the "everyone is exposed to DEHP" assertion. i.e. perhaps they are but it's the spike not the presence.

Perhaps Contador was just working overtime (5x Harder) on a DEHP rich pacifier due to the pressure of the forthcoming Tourmalet Stage.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Maybe Contador's DEHP readings were caused by swiping his credit card too many times through the UCI's reader.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So simple logic would say it can be used as a positive indicator for transfusions.

But not for long, since riders know now they should not use plastic blood bags anymore. May they´ll try metal boxes for blood storage in the future.

 

[hrotha]

Seriously, why is this the first time I hear about any of this stuff? I'd never have imagined this was possible. It sounds quite promising.

I'm really upset over all this. I like Contador and have spent many happy hours watching him and would genuinely like to think him innocent.

Watching pro cycling is like reading A Song of Ice and Fire. For your own good, don't grow too attached to any characters.

 

[JPM London]

Watching pro cycling is like reading A Song of Ice and Fire. For your own good, don't grow too attached to any characters.

Or watching a 1000 episode soap...

 

[RTMcFadden]

These substances might be present in other stuff, but how would they enter the bloodstream? In case of a transfusion they enter the bloodstream most definitely, in the case of ingestion, maybe not so much.

That would be sweet to have a test for the use of refill bags through some residue of the plastic.

Joe Papp posted a notice about this test over a year ago. I don't know how rugged the test method is, but it should be fairly sensitive to detect the plasticizers because they would be in failry low concentrations.

 

[RTMcFadden]

The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) currently limits the proportion of plasticizers like DEHP in food containers to 30 percent, but there are no such requirements for their use in medical supplies.
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I highly doubt that. If I have time today, I'll look into it.

 

[Merckx index]

Contador's concentration of DEHP was 480 ng/ml.

For those of us who can't translate it, is this a documented fact, or just another internet rumor? Velonation is reporting that the case will be resolved by the end of the week, with AC most likely getting off without even a suspension. How can this possibly be reconciled with a high value in the DEHP test?

 

[ingsve]

Watching pro cycling is like reading A Song of Ice and Fire. For your own good, don't grow too attached to any characters.

Go GRRM! Can't wait for the HBO series to air...

 

[Barrus]

For those of us who can't translate it, is this a documented fact, or just another internet rumor? Velonation is reporting that the case will be resolved by the end of the week, with AC most likely getting off without even a suspension. How can this possibly be reconciled with a high value in the DEHP test?

This is from the NOS, a Dutch news network, who used images and information gained through the ARD. The ARD said that they got it from a reliable source, possibly the lab. Certainty is obviously not available

However one of the main problems I have with all this, is Contador the only person upon who this test was performed on. IF this is the case, I find it despicable, as this clearly is an organized attempt at targeting Contador, if it is not the case, I still find it despicable that Contador is the only one brought into the public and probably the only person who'll need to pay for it.
(I am of the opinion that most, if not all of the riders in the top 20 will have had transfusions)
And before anyone attacks me on this, I do believe that doping tests should be effective, however they need to be carried out consistently. You cannot single out a particular rider and perform a test that is not performed on other riders, it does not matter who the rider is


I also have a problem with whether this test will hold up in the sporting proceedings, if it won't be sufficient for sanction, this has completely destroyed Contador and will for the rest of his career be the most well-known fact about him.


Also completely off-topic, does anyone know if Martin started writing again, god knows how long he has been working on this book

 

[peloton]

This is from the NOS, a DUtch news network, who used images and information gained through the ARD. The ARD said that they got it from a reliable source, possibly the lab. Certainty is obviously not available

However one of the main problems I have with all this, is COntador the only person upon who this test was performed on. IF this is the case, I find it despicable, as this clearly is an organized attempt at targeting Contador, if it is not the case, I still find it despicable that Contador is the only one brought into the public and probably the only person who'll need to pay for it.
(I am of the opinion that most, if not all of the riders in the top 20 will have had transfusions)
And before anyone attacks me on this, I do believe that doping tests should be effective, however they need to be carried out consistently. You cannot single out a particular rider and perform a test that is not performed on other riders, it does not matter who the rider is


I also have a problem with whether this test will hold up in the sporting proceedings, if it won't be sufficient for sanction, this has completely destroyed Contador and will for the rest of his career be the most well-known fact about him.


Also compltely off-topic, does anyone know if Martin started writing again, god knows how long he has been working on this book

+1
agree with everything you wrote.

 

[kurtinsc]

This is from the NOS, a Dutch news network, who used images and information gained through the ARD. The ARD said that they got it from a reliable source, possibly the lab. Certainty is obviously not available

However one of the main problems I have with all this, is Contador the only person upon who this test was performed on. IF this is the case, I find it despicable, as this clearly is an organized attempt at targeting Contador, if it is not the case, I still find it despicable that Contador is the only one brought into the public and probably the only person who'll need to pay for it.
(I am of the opinion that most, if not all of the riders in the top 20 will have had transfusions)
And before anyone attacks me on this, I do believe that doping tests should be effective, however they need to be carried out consistently. You cannot single out a particular rider and perform a test that is not performed on other riders, it does not matter who the rider is


I also have a problem with whether this test will hold up in the sporting proceedings, if it won't be sufficient for sanction, this has completely destroyed Contador and will for the rest of his career be the most well-known fact about him.


Also completely off-topic, does anyone know if Martin started writing again, god knows how long he has been working on this book

Did anyone else fail a drug test at the Tour?

If not... then only testing his blood for this seems warranted, as he'd be the only one who's test results suggested further investigation is needed.

 

[smaryka]

However one of the main problems I have with all this, is Contador the only person upon who this test was performed on. IF this is the case, I find it despicable, as this clearly is an organized attempt at targeting Contador, if it is not the case, I still find it despicable that Contador is the only one brought into the public and probably the only person who'll need to pay for it.
(I am of the opinion that most, if not all of the riders in the top 20 will have had transfusions)

Well, if clenbuterol was found in other riders' tests then this plasticisers test would be performed as well. If the tests aren't found with any illegal substances that are commonly tested for then those riders aren't going to be caught for anything.

In other words, Contador got busted for a small offence which has shown that he actually is guilty of a bigger offence. So, yes, they should put out all the stops to prove that he is guilty of that bigger offence. Tough for him.

If you're arguing that plasticisers should be one of those elements tested for, then fine. But if you're arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to use that evidence against him to prove blood doping then you're wrong.