Contador positive!!!!!

[JRanton]

Tough break for "A.C" (re unidentified Operation Puerto bags) but that's what happens when you ride the line, same thing for Floyd in 2006. It's a bit like DUI, under 0.08 you're scotts free, above you're in trouble. What's the fix? Not take anything.

If you don't take it, you don't win. And if you don't win, you don't get the multi million pound a year contract/endorsements.

 

[richwagmn]

that kind of stance is unusual on this forum

If his B sample is positive nothing else matters. Doesn't matter what he says. LA must be doing little a jig (at least until he remembers what's waiting for him).

Oh well. I like the one day riders best anyways.

 

[aahmadhu]

with contador busted, doesn't this mean that astana won't be invited to tdf 2011? so bjarne riis is not the only loser here, right?

 

[richwagmn]

with contador busted, doesn't this mean that astana won't be invited to tdf 2011? so bjarne riis is not the only loser here, right?

Hmmm, didn't think about that. Is that a rule or a guideline?

 

[auscyclefan94]

say wot? repeat after me: "THEY ALL DOPE".

erader

say wot? repeat after me: "YOUR DELIRIOUS"

acf94

Looks like ole Bertie did a wiki search for the most logical excuse.
I think he he has to go down and will, the full two years.

Looks like all betting sites have taken the 2011 futures down, if only you didn't "break it" ACF



You're fishing but there's nothing there.

Almost 95% of posts seem to be 1) He's a doper anyway, 2) He will go down for it. If you have something to say on the contrary, quote the posts and take it up with them directly.

Stick to conspiracy theories.

I guess you could just copy what i said in my post. (below, click to see actual quote in my post)

I guess he has had good time to work up an excuse. he could just go on wikipedia.

 

[erader]

I watch sport for entertainment. Dunno about you, but I don`t care what they do when they are off bike, outside court, pitch, track or field.

you seem to be taking a great deal of pleasure in contador getting busted and thereby elevating a rider who can't win on his own merit.

i don't care if they dope either. i think the witch hunt and not the doping is ruining the sport. but i also think they all dope...especially the winners and contenders.

erader

 

[python]

No Python, you seemed to state that it was not possible for the clenbuterol to get in his urine from a contaminated blood bag. Then, you seemed to want to bring up old threads.

So, what is it? Are you saying that it is impossible for the clenbuterol to get there via tainted blood?

You are apparently a much better scientist than I, so please tell me the half life of clenbuterol in ex vivo blood stored at 4C. Then tell me how it would be cleared from the body after transfusion.

Let's talk basic clinical pharmacokinetics and ADME to show how it couldn't arise from transfusions as you suggest.

again you failed to read a simple post about what's possible and what's probable. i will tell you as little as you deserve.

 

[Parrot23]

Have never thought Contador was clean, but clenbuterol, LOL?

Sure he's going to get nailed and the book thrown at him. It's a doping offense.

But in my book it's not EPO and not autologous blood transfusions.** I'm sure he does the latter too like other top pros. But there's not much of a performance boost from clenbuterol. This is marginal stuff. And the guy is notorious for breathing problems/allergies.

I just wonder what this does to Saxo now (even before next year starts)? Sponsors?

(**His insistence on taking his own doctor to Saxo seems very dodgy to me, for starters.)

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

You're fishing but there's nothing there.

Almost 95% of posts seem to be 1) He's a doper anyway, 2) He will go down for it. If you have something to say on the contrary, quote the posts and take it up with them directly.

Stick to conspiracy theories.

No fishing, No conspiracy theories, no qualms with any specific posts, just remember these threads as being very supportive of AC and never suspecting him of any wrongdoing. Just speaking in generalities. I'm actually surprised with how people have responded.

 

[The Hitch]

say wot? repeat after me: "YOUR DELIRIOUS"

Finaly someone of the opinion that there are clean riders ventures into the clinc, territory in which we can make our case.

It goes something like this.

The benefits of doping are SO HUGE that a rider would have to be totally superhuman to keep up with dopers. EPO gives something like 15 % advantage or whatever. Fignon was getting dropped by about 20 people on hiils once the EPO era startted, and he had talent aplenty. So it is highly unlikely that someone like say i dunno, Cadel Evans could compete with a doped Contador in the 07 tour, without being on something himself. Not neccesarily the same quality programme. but something

 

[DenisMenchov]

you seem to be taking a great deal of pleasure in contador getting busted and thereby elevating a rider who can't win on his own merit.

i don't care if they dope either. i think the witch hunt and not the doping is ruining the sport. but i also think they all dope...especially the winners and contenders.

erader

Yes I`m taking a great deal of pleasure in all this, because I don`t like Contador in races, i don`t know him personally, but I`m glad I won`t see him again in le Tour, ok?

 

[indurain666]

Wow, Contador's positive is going to bring all haters back from the grave, welcome back guys! But don't forget that this won't change the fact that Lance is going down big time

Back to topic: Very stupid mistake by Alberto if he got caught using that particular drug.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If his B sample is positive nothing else matters. Doesn't matter what he says. LA must be doing little a jig (at least until he remembers what's waiting for him).

Oh well. I like the one day riders best anyways.

I think we already no the result of the B sample.

AC got communication of the positive A sample on August 24th - AC's 'press team' has decided a controlled leak before it gets delivered 'officially'.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Finaly someone of the opinion that there are clean riders ventures into the clinc, territory in which we can make our case.

It goes something like this.

The benefits of doping are SO HUGE that a rider would have to be totally superhuman to keep up with dopers. EPO gives something like 15 % advantage or whatever. Fignon was getting dropped by about 20 people on hiils once the EPO era startted, and he had talent aplenty. So it is highly unlikely that someone like say i dunno, Cadel Evans could compete with a doped Contador in the 07 tour, without being on something himself. Not neccesarily the same quality programme. but something

We don`t know if he doped back in 2007 Tour.

 

[indurain666]

Yes I`m taking a great deal of pleasure in all this, because I don`t like Contador in races, i don`t know him personally, but I`m glad I won`t see him again in le Tour, ok?

Bad karma to you You will see him back sooner than you think.

He won't be the last positive either

 

[The Hitch]

We don`t know if he doped back in 2007 Tour.

Well with the theory i outlined earlier, he did. Because Rasmussen was doping and COntador kept up with Rasmussen. It was a dirty tour and he shined. Its not conclusive proof, but with the advantages doperes have at evading justice, here in the clinic this kind of speculation is all we have, and it has a good track record.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Bad karma to you You will see him back sooner than you think.

He won't be the last positive either

Yes you`re wright, in next 2 years

 

[DenisMenchov]

Well with the theory i outlined earlier, he did. Because Rasmussen was doping and COntador kept up with Rasmussen. It was a dirty tour and he shined. Its not conclusive proof, but with the advantages doperes have at evading justice, here in the clinic this kind of speculation is all we have, and it has a good track record.

This hurts ..... I never heard this.

 

[python]

Yes you`re wright, in next 2 years

with this logic your avatar will get the no. 1...if andy lux gets popped. j/k

 

[Escarabajo]

I reckon this is a warning shot for him that he's not untouchable. After reading Pat's comments about being ****ed that the stars are not turning up for the worlds I was expecting to see him flex some muscle just to show who's boss. AC will get off on a technicality. The deal is already done but now he knows just where he stands with the UCI.

Alberto just needs to send a "cheque" to Mr. McQuaid for $500,000 and all problems are solved.

 

[auscyclefan94]

We don`t know if he doped back in 2007 Tour.

But we do.

Finaly someone of the opinion that there are clean riders ventures into the clinc, territory in which we can make our case.

It goes something like this.

The benefits of doping are SO HUGE that a rider would have to be totally superhuman to keep up with dopers. EPO gives something like 15 % advantage or whatever. Fignon was getting dropped by about 20 people on hiils once the EPO era startted, and he had talent aplenty. So it is highly unlikely that someone like say i dunno, Cadel Evans could compete with a doped Contador in the 07 tour, without being on something himself. Not neccesarily the same quality programme. but something

15% is a bit high? Evans has an amazing ability to suffer. And even with that he lost massive chunks of time to Chicken and AC.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

You may be onto something...

He stored blood when he was using Clenbuterol to lose weight/get lean and then forgot that it might be detectable. After the transfusion it started clearing again from his blood but was not entirely gone.

So, he was right that it he was accidently exposed and could pass the lie detector tests.

Glad some one can read between the lines, because I couldn't until I saw this. This is perfectly logical to me. Any one with some science knowledge know if this is possible?

Here's a site on how Clenbuteral works:
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Clenbuterol.html
Basically it can be used to treat asthma or to allow the body to release and burn more stored fat. Now read this from the isteroids.com link above:
"Clen has been used for literally decades in the foreign veterinary world, for increasing the lean yield of livestock. It is clearly a very effective agent for this purpose, although its long half life and tendency to stay active in the body for long periods of time mean that vets in the United States aren’t able to use it."

... means it is very possible to do as you suggest, by reintroduction (e.g. by transfusions during the race) of tainted blood that was taken and stored at a time when the drug was being used to treat asthma.

Then for the health-conscious folks there's this:
"Veterinarians have also used it to produce leaner meat in livestock. The consumption of these livestock have caused deaths in some parts of the world. This is the reason why the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has banned the use of this drug on livestock."

 

[DenisMenchov]

with this logic your avatar will get the no. 1...if andy lux gets popped. j/k

How on earth he stayed with DOPED Contador on Tourmalet?

 

[hfer07]

wow- he might dodge the bullet...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-contador-positive-requires-further-scientific-investigation

 

[Anonymous]

Contador just released a press statement with complete explanation

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