Contador positive!!!!!

[hubbard]

400 times less than what the lab is requested to detect as a minimum...

smacks of a witch hunt.

 

[royalpig180]

+1 Ha, ha,



That is what I think caught Landis and why he continues to insist he didn't use a testosterone patch at the Tour. Poor logistics of blood doping. Once Bertie didn't have the total quality management (TQM) of the Bruyneel system, the risks rose (re custody issue of blood/marking bags, etc.).

Edit: I seem Team Sky beat me to this point on Landis.

Someone wanna fill me in on the benefits of blood doping with clean blood? Just to increase blood volume?

 

[Escarabajo]

Is it possible that he was using an inhaler or the medicine while training when the blood was drawn from his body to be used during the Tour a month or so later. Then he put this blood back into the body on rest day (As usual for all top contenders) and he got busted. The amount is very small to be honest, so maybe that's plausible.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Yeah evans has balls thats true. But look at the era. He came 2nd in 2007 a very dirty tour. He emerged during the dark years. Perhaps its possible. But looking at all the stuff dopers take - blood boosters steroids testostrone fat loss, is it plausible that 1 guy can be on absolutely none of these and perform so high?

I do see your point but is 2009 a clean tour because there were no positives. Because there were multiple positives in 2007 does not mean it s not a clean tour.

Contador just released a press statement with complete explanation

Hilarious! btw Dim, do you have any qualifications with IT/Computers as your website skills and photoshop skills are very good. Being a regular visitor of your site, it is quite good.

 

[webvan]

Someone wanna fill me in on the benefits of blood doping with clean blood? Just to increase blood volume?

No, to increase the RBC.

As usual the UCI is playing it down, hoping it's going to go away somehow...

 

[Anonymous]

I do see your point but is 2009 a clean tour because there were no positives. Because there were multiple positives in 2007 does not mean it s not a clean tour.


Hilarious! btw Dim, do you have any qualifications with IT/Computers as your website skills and photoshop skills are very good. Being a regular visitor of your site, it is quite good.

Nah, but ive been using them since 1976, and i dont use photoshop

 

[royalpig180]

No, to increase the RBC.

As usual the UCI is playing it down, hoping it's going to go away somehow...

Ok thanks for the info. Is that illegal (assuming there truly are no PEDs in the blood and its your own blood from before)?

 

[webvan]

er...yes, you are NOT allowed to transfuse stored blood!

 

[Midnite]

I didn't even know labs could detect such small amounts, after all 50 picograms is 50 trillionths of a gram...

 

[Wallace]

"In view of this very small concentration..."--the UCI isn't exactly standing up and shouting "we've caught a doper!" Sounds to me like the decision to clear Alberto is already in the works.

Posters here who think this is going to seriously impact AC's career--or that there's the slightest chance he'll rat out Bruyneel, need to wipe the froth off your mouths and look at the actual nature of this situation. The UCI is already minimizing the possible effects of the drug.

Absolute worst case scenario for AC--in my opinion very unlikely--he does two years for being unfortunate enough to have eaten the wrong food/supplement (he's already paved the way for this by mentioning an unspecified illness during the Tour). He's young. Then posters here will complain about his absence in GTs the way people are now complaining about Valverde's absence at the World's.

The idea that he would rat out Bruyneel and Lance, thereby invalidating all his GT victories, is insane. Lovely, but insane.

 

[131313]

Here's an idea. He blood doped with blood he thought was clean. He had been taking clenbuterol in training to get lean and build some muscle (my roomie in 1st year uni took it...it looked like it worked...the guy was jacked after he took it for a little while). A simple error to make, esp. given that the amount detected was so small...Contador thought his blood was clean.

Anyone else?

Incredibly unlikely. The amount needed for decreased adiposity and an increase of muscle mass is almost definitely going to have a deleterious effect for an endurance athlete.

The only potential benefit would be as a bronchodilator and a mild stimulant. Given that he probably has a TUE for a bronchodilator already and there are legal stimulants which are more effective, it seems incredibly unlikely to me that he was doping with Clentbuterol. I'm not saying he road clean, I just find it incredibly unlikely that he was using this substance, either in training or in racing. Anyone with any understanding of pharmacodynamics will probably reach the same conclusion. Of course, most aren't going to let facts get in the way.

My prediction: he'll beat the rap. My opinion: he probably should. My official Clinic Stance: Lance paid off someone to spike his Cheerios. Sure takes the heat off at such a perfect time.

 

[JRTinMA]

Here's an idea. He blood doped with blood he thought was clean. He had been taking clenbuterol in training to get lean and build some muscle (my roomie in 1st year uni took it...it looked like it worked...the guy was jacked after he took it for a little while). A simple error to make, esp. given that the amount detected was so small...Contador thought his blood was clean.

Anyone else?

BTW...to the guy who thinks "favourite" is incorrect spelling...you need to get on a big jet plane and travel a little. There's a whole world out there....

I think you missed the joke. 42 countries here so move on.

 

[Race Radio]

SSDD

Numerous posters would defend him when anybody brought up Operation Puerto, Werner Franke, the Greg Lemond accusation or any other instance when AC's name was mentioned alongside doping.

Then it should be easy for you to find dozens of posts that support your strawman.

Even his biggest fans here know he is dirty.

 

[Parrot23]

I didn't even know labs could detect such small amounts, after all 50 picograms is 50 trillionths of a gram...

LOL, maybe the Pentagon should have been using the UCI to test for anthrax and WMD in Iraq. May have found some clenbuterol, maybe.

 

[Escarabajo]

Ok thanks for the info. Is that illegal (assuming there truly are no PEDs in the blood and its your own blood from before)?

Dude you need to gloogle this information yourself because this has been talked on this clinic forum for ages. Just do a search on blood doping in Gloogle or even here. Cyclingnews has some good articles on it.

Yes is prohibited big time.

 

[Parrulo]

the lab detecting something 400 times less then what they should look for . . . . lol that rly sounds like a witch hunt.

and lets be honest here . . .the amounts they are talking about aren't tour wining amounts if there such thing with that drug.

p.s. yes i am an inocent guy that likes to think that his favourite sport is clean and pure.

 

[auscyclefan94]

400 times less than what the lab is requested to detect as a minimum...

smacks of a witch hunt.

So you are saying that they have wanted to get rid of him? I don't see why he should have any Clenbuterol in his system as it is not naturally made.

Baden Cooke has said on radio that AC's positive could have personal consequences.

 

[royalpig180]

er...yes, you are NOT allowed to transfuse stored blood!

kk thanks... dumb question i know

 

[auscyclefan94]

the lab detecting something 400 times less then what they should look for . . . . lol that rly sounds like a witch hunt.

and lets be honest here . . .the amounts they are talking about aren't tour wining amounts if there such thing with that drug.

p.s. yes i am an inocent guy that likes to think that his favourite sport is clean and pure.

maybe they caught when it was going out of his system. the labs must of had some sort of testing to release this result. Unfortunately I see him getting away with it but I hope he rots in hell.

 

[Hugh Januss]

But we do.


15% is a bit high? Evans has an amazing ability to suffer. And even with that he lost massive chunks of time to Chicken and AC.

Ahha ha ahah ha ha hah

 

[Parrot23]

I don't see why he should have any Clenbuterol in his system as it is not naturally made.

There are lots of studies of the definable quantities of prescription medicines (birth control pill hormones, anti-psychotic medicines, anti-depressants) in most industrial countries' rivers. In the Potomac River alongside Washington, D.C., fish are changing sex from the amount of hormones, whatever, etc. in the river.

But their arguing it's from his food is stretching credulity. I do like the take that Lance bribed someone to spike his Cheerios, though.

This clenbuterol positive is hardly the elephant in the room.

He's being ticketed for a "parking offense" prob. while prob. carrying an undetected 2kg load of "coke" (re autologous blood) in the trunk.

 

[royalpig180]

Seems to me that Contador is a little envious of all the attention worlds is getting...

HIS people announce that they have known he failed a drug test for a month...
AND they choose to do this hours before the WC ITT starts?

Seems a little fishy to me...

He'll probably get out of it, and I think for the sake of the sport, he needs to. Everyone keeps saying how cycling has come out of its "dark ages", so its biggest star of the new clean era being banned clearly wouldn't help.

Obviously, if he really did dope, he deseverves to get caught, but either way its better for the sport if he gets off

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Then it should be easy for you to find dozens of posts that support your strawman.

Even his biggest fans here know he is dirty.

It's been months since I've last posted or even read these forums. I don't have the time or patience to sort through all those posts just to prove an anonymous point to a little red radio.

By the way, don't think what I was doing is actually a strawman...just sayin.

 

[Escarabajo]

Incredibly unlikely. The amount needed for decreased adiposity and an increase of muscle mass is almost definitely going to have a deleterious effect for an endurance athlete.

The only potential benefit would be as a bronchodilator and a mild stimulant. Given that he probably has a TUE for a bronchodilator already and there are legal stimulants which are more effective, it seems incredibly unlikely to me that he was doping with Clentbuterol. I'm not saying he road clean, I just find it incredibly unlikely that he was using this substance, either in training or in racing. Anyone with any understanding of pharmacodynamics will probably reach the same conclusion. Of course, most aren't going to let facts get in the way.

My prediction: he'll beat the rap. My opinion: he probably should. My official Clinic Stance: Lance paid off someone to spike his Cheerios. Sure takes the heat off at such a perfect time.

So why is it banned? and why other soprtsmen use it?

 

[JRTinMA]

Its the exact same concentration Fuyu Li tested positive for in April, Fuyu is getting a two year ban.