Contador positive!!!!!

[Berzin]

The fact is that unless they have the left-overs from the meal, the food contamination theory is just a theory. He is going down, and quite honestly, if he doesn't it will be a travesty as the excuses everyone else uses are not accepted either.

A doping positive is a positive. Period. Everyone said DHEA was not really a performance enhancer either, and yet we saw 2 or 3 people go down last year for that.

It may not seem logical that he used something like that, nor that it was on the day before a big stage, but elite professional cyclists are experts in doping regimen, and sad to say, but I believe what we have here is the usage of a product that he thought he could get away with.

Not so fast, there-

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-contador-positive-requires-further-scientific-investigation

“The concentration found by the laboratory was estimated at 50 picograms (or 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml) which is 400 time less than what the antidoping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect.”

“In view of this very small concentration and in consultation with WADA, the UCI immediately had the proper results management proceedings conducted including the analysis of B sample that confirmed the first result. The rider, who had already put an end to his cycling season before the result was known, was nevertheless formally and provisionally suspended as is prescribed by the World Anti-Doping Code.

“This case required further scientific investigation before any conclusion could be drawn,” it added. “The UCI continues working with the scientific support of WADA to analyse all the elements that are relevant to the case. This further investigation may take some more time.

This may be the biggest non-story in cycling. I hate to break it to those who would have loved to see Contador go down, given what I quoted above I don't see it happening.

 

[Parrulo]

maybe they caught when it was going out of his system. the labs must of had some sort of testing to release this result. Unfortunately I see him getting away with it but I hope he rots in hell.

maybe . . . .

maybe its not the kind of argument you can use i na serious situation.

and since you keep claming cadel is clean(i like to believe he is like most of the others guys) what if tomorrow CN explodes with the latest news that say that cadel evans has blood in his epo for the past years?(note the obv joke not a typo) would you want him to rot in that imaginary place that people who belive in some sort of almighty imaginary friend created?

 

[Escarabajo]

It's been months since I've last posted or even read these forums. I don't have the time or patience to sort through all those posts just to prove an anonymous point to a little red radio.

By the way, don't think what I was doing is actually a strawman...just sayin.

You really have some issues with Contador. I asked for you a while ago and were completely gone after the LandisGate. Now you come back only to discuss Contador's positive. You must be hurt by lance big time.

OT. Sorry. Carry on.

 

[clydesdale]

Can someone help me out here?

Since the amount is 400 times less than WADA usually looks for, say the B sample comes back positive with a similar concentration. Will he get the standard 2 year suspension or will it be some other "suspended until the beginning of 2011" thingy?

I have to admit, it may have been covered, I only read 10 or so of the 30 pages.

 

[tubularglue]

just logged in tonight


duped by the dope


2 year vacation sounds nice


someone needs to send him a bottle of whiskey

 

[Hairy Wheels]

I think you missed the joke. 42 countries here so move on.

Do you have a sash with all of those countries sewn on somehow?

 

[auscyclefan94]

maybe . . . .

maybe its not the kind of argument you can use i na serious situation.

and since you keep claming cadel is clean(i like to believe he is like most of the others guys) what if tomorrow CN explodes with the latest news that say that cadel evans has blood in his epo for the past years?(note the obv joke not a typo) would you want him to rot in that imaginary place that people who belive in some sort of almighty imaginary friend created?

Certainly. I follow him, because I think he is clean, I like him as a person and because he is an aussie.

 

[Siriuscat]

For detection at that level it's shown up on spectral analysis of some sort, right minor spike at the right place on the graph. If accredited labs need to be able to find 400x more than that then there is the technicality that will get him off.

This will turn into a big non story BUT whatever he does he will be pilloried forever. Then again a certain Texan's failed and rapidly covered up positive is all now part of his legend!!

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

You really have some issues with Contador. I asked for you a while ago and were completely gone after the LandisGate. Now you come back only to disccuss Contador's positive. You must be hurt by lance big time.

OT. sorry. carry on.

Ahhh assumptions abound. These forums haven't changed at all. I eventually lost interest and stopped posting. Only checking back in because a Contador postive is big news. No issues with him. I certainly don't care for him, but I wouldn't call those issues. I just don't like him as a rider, don't like Landis either, not even that big a fan of Lance. I just got sick off the constant misrepresentations of him and his foundation.

 

[Anonymous]

"In view of this very small concentration..."--the UCI isn't exactly standing up and shouting "we've caught a doper!" Sounds to me like the decision to clear Alberto is already in the works.

Posters here who think this is going to seriously impact AC's career--or that there's the slightest chance he'll rat out Bruyneel, need to wipe the froth off your mouths and look at the actual nature of this situation. The UCI is already minimizing the possible effects of the drug.

Absolute worst case scenario for AC--in my opinion very unlikely--he does two years for being unfortunate enough to have eaten the wrong food/supplement (he's already paved the way for this by mentioning an unspecified illness during the Tour). He's young. Then posters here will complain about his absence in GTs the way people are now complaining about Valverde's absence at the World's.

The idea that he would rat out Bruyneel and Lance, thereby invalidating all his GT victories, is insane. Lovely, but insane.

My tongue was in my cheek when I wrote that.

 

[131313]

So why is it banned? and why other soprtsmen use it?

It's banned for sports where an increase lean muscle and a decrease in adiposity are key, such wrestling, weight lifting, etc. and the impact on cardiovascular performance isn't a key issue.

Kinda like why taking beta blockers would be banned for cyclists.

Early cyclists may have attempted doping with it when team doctors really didn't understand the interactions. They're pretty well understood by now.

 

[auscyclefan94]

For the labs and the uci to tell him he has tested positive, they must have some sort of legal grounds to claim that he has cheated.

 

[richwagmn]

LOL!!!
But seriously, I'm starting to think a 2 year ban is not enough deterrent. How about 5 years? (but that's been discussed before in the forums)

2 years if you come clean. Lifetime if not.

 

[buckwheat]

Ahhh assumptions abound. These forums haven't changed at all. I eventually lost interest and stopped posting. Only checking back in because a Contador postive is big news. No issues with him. I certainly don't care for him, but I wouldn't call those issues. I just don't like him as a rider, don't like Landis either, not even that big a fan of Lance. I just got sick off the constant misrepresentations of him and his foundation.

You mean the people who were saying he's a good guy?

That bothered me too.

 

[richwagmn]

Certainly. I follow him, because I think he is clean, I like him as a person and because he is an aussie.

And he's got the whiniest voice of all riders. And he's a douche bag to his teammates. And he cries like a little girl. And he always find a way to eff up a GT.

 

[Ferminal]

2 years if you come clean. Lifetime if not.

Go read Sassi's comments from the past few days.

 

[Berzin]

And he's got the whiniest voice of all riders. And he's a douche bag to his teammates. And he cries like a little girl. And he always find a way to eff up a GT.

And he looks like a kangaroo with no neck-

 

[nicholaaaas]

wow- he might dodge the bullet...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-contador-positive-requires-further-scientific-investigation

well an amount that small clearly could not have had a performance benefit... especially if no other tests showed it. and seriously... something that low should not even result in a positive. a picogarm? what's that one molecule in his entire bloodstream?

 

[sartain]

I told you guys early on some would say Armstong did it.

This comes as no surprise whatsoever, but I was surprised it took this long to come to a head. Frankly, I find the timing of this event highly suspect given the current investigation surrounding LA. And it makes me wonder even more just how far reaching LA's clout runs and how many friends he has in high places.

First, I think AC will go down in flames whether he doped or if there is some explanation for this - because it will show the world that the UCI IS capable of cleaning up its own bed that it constantly seems to s**t in. And let’s face if, absent LA be offered up to the cross by those stored blood samples that we were all hoping would be sent to the US Feds for testing (NO chance of this happening now that Pierre Bordry is out of the picture), what bigger sacrificial lamb could they offer up then AC?

Second, given that AC was looking like he could make a run for LA’s record of 7 TDF wins and the visceral hatred that LA has for him, there was no way in hell that LA was going to let this scenario get even close to playing out. With a 2-year suspension looking like it is all but said and done, this will make it virtually impossible for that possibility to ever happen.

Third, this event also takes a bunch of the limelight away from the LA investigation for the time being.

Fourth, the door for LA making another run at the 20111 TDF is now open given that AC is pretty much gone from the picture.

 

[yourwelcome]

If the amount really is 400 times less than WADA usually looks for, and it really is a substance that turns up in plenty of otherwise legal stuff a cyclist would ingest, as well as an easily detectable 'poor choice' as a PED, then this surely is all BS and should blow over.

To think that when I read the newspaper headlines I thought Andy had 'won' the Tour after all... talk about headlines overstating reality.

Edit - and oh god, please... 'Armstrong's tentacles'??? Pass the tin foil hat.

 

[buckwheat]

Can someone help me out here?

Since the amount is 400 times less than WADA usually looks for, say the B sample comes back positive with a similar concentration. Will he get the standard 2 year suspension or will it be some other "suspended until the beginning of 2011" thingy?

I have to admit, it may have been covered, I only read 10 or so of the 30 pages.

“The concentration found by the laboratory was estimated at 50 picograms (or 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml) which is 400 time less than what the antidoping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect.”


If they must be able to detect a certain amount, I don't see how they can sanction him.

Please repost if this has been covered.

 

[auscyclefan94]

And he's got the whiniest voice of all riders. And he's a douche bag to his teammates. And he cries like a little girl. And he always find a way to eff up a GT.

Prove that he is a douche bag to his team mates, prove that he cries like a little gril. The last statement is upon interpretation.

i think it makes you a little person by having a go at someone because they have an odd voice. You must have nothing wrong with you then. Judge someone by their character and not physical or genetic attributes. Disabled people can't help their disability. Do you make fun of them?

 

[erader]

This comes as no surprise whatsoever, but I was surprised it took this long to come to a head. Frankly, I find the timing of this event highly suspect given the current investigation surrounding LA. And it makes me wonder even more just how far reaching LA's clout runs and how many friends he has in high places.

First, I think AC will go down in flames whether he doped or if there is some explanation for this - because it will show the world that the UCI IS capable of cleaning up its own bed that it constantly seems to s**t in. And let’s face if, absent LA be offered up to the cross by those stored blood samples that we were all hoping would be sent to the US Feds for testing (NO chance of this happening now that Pierre Bordry is out of the picture), what bigger sacrificial lamb could they offer up then AC?

Second, given that AC was looking like he could make a run for LA’s record of 7 TDF wins and the visceral hatred that LA has for him, there was no way in hell that LA was going to let this scenario get even close to playing out. With a 2-year suspension looking like it is all but said and done, this will make it virtually impossible for that possibility to ever happen.

Third, this event also takes a bunch of the limelight away from the LA investigation for the time being.

Fourth, the door for LA making another run at the 20111 TDF is now open given that AC is pretty much gone from the picture.

boy do you have an active imagination .

erader

 

[sartain]

boy do you have an active imagination .

erader

We will see.

 

[Nick777]

You beat me 10 to 1 on that department though, and everyone here knows that, so....

Cyclingnews WAS based over here in AUS for years. I don't know how long it has been based in England.