Contador positive!!!!!

[davestoller]

Correct, there's no threshold limit because it's not a naturally occurring substance. If it's there, it was ingested. It's also very easy to detect, with little room for interpretation of the result.

That said, people aren't thinking rationally if they think a trace amount can't be accidentally ingested. I was only half kidding about the Cheerios. Fortified cereals use vitamins sourced from all over who-knows-where. It's entirely possible that a trace amount could be ingested unknowingly, and in this case I actually consider it pretty likely. Quite frankly, there really need to be threshold limits set for many categories of drugs on the banned list, for this exact reason.

Please call Scott Moniger and tell him.

1 year ban for trace amount of steroid in a vitamin/supplement made by a well known comany that he could prove he took with proof of purchase receipt and tests on the bottle and what was contained in the bottle showing the banned substance and EVERYONE including USADA and WADA agreed it was contamination.
1 year ban.
and everyone knows really knows scotty is clean and was clean in contrast to Contado whom everyone knows or suspects is doped to the gills

 

[Blakeslee]

This situation is likely to be indicative of the kinds of doping techniques that are currently being used by the riders. With the improvements in testing it is getting more difficult for the riders to beat the tests for some of the major drugs like EPO. Riders are increasingly turning towards drugs like clenbuterol. Instead of relying on one drug like EPO riders are hoping to reproduce the same results using a combination of drugs and micro dosing techniques.

 

[flicker]

Correct, there's no threshold limit because it's not a naturally occurring substance. If it's there, it was ingested. It's also very easy to detect, with little room for interpretation of the result.

That said, people aren't thinking rationally if they think a trace amount can't be accidentally ingested. I was only half kidding about the Cheerios. Fortified cereals use vitamins sourced from all over who-knows-where. It's entirely possible that a trace amount could be ingested unknowingly, and in this case I actually consider it pretty likely. Quite frankly, there really need to be threshold limits set for many categories of drugs on the banned list, for this exact reason.

The only way pistol could pull off the food angle is if other members of his circle(teammates, his brother massage people, managers, mechanics managers mechanics somehow were found positive. then he would have to have a sample of the food. Or Alberto could just say he had some bad fish!

 

[SpartacusRox]

It doesn't matter.

This is a tempest in a teacup, and it will blow over quickly.

Because of the minuscule traces found, and the fact that none of his other tests were found to have this substance, and the biggest factor of all that Contador has the money to fight this in court if it even gets that far, it will be over quickly.

Have a good night beating your collective heads against the wall over this one.

¡¡¡Viva El Pistolero!!!

Hey mate maybe just cut and paste all your Lance comments and apply them to your hero...

 

[royalpig180]

This situation is likely to be indicative of the kinds of doping techniques that are currently being used by the riders. With the improvements in testing it is getting more difficult for the riders to beat the tests for some of the major drugs like EPO. Riders are increasingly turning towards drugs like clenbuterol. Instead of relying on one drug like EPO riders are hoping to reproduce the same results using a combination of drugs and micro dosing techniques.

O.K. i understand the concept of micro-dosing, but were talking 50 picograms here... could that have any effect whatsoever, regardless of what other drugs it may have been combined with?

 

[tubularglue]

how long does it take clenbuterol to leave the body?

curious

 

[buckwheat]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-contador-positive-requires-further-scientific-investigation

http://www.velonation.com/Photos/Photo-Album/mmid/614/mediaid/574.aspx

 

[Parrulo]

O.K. i understand the concept of micro-dosing, but were talking 50 picograms here... could that have any effect whatsoever, regardless of what other drugs it may have been combined with?

clenbuterol is a code name for top class uranium used in our wars against civilizations from another galaxies. with 50 pg of that berto could fly all his way to the moon if he wanted

 

[buckwheat]

i believe by the wording that the 400 times more amount would be the minimal accreditation standards... but still but being several million% better than the minimal standards is suspect

Maybe,

http://www.velonation.com/Photos/Photo-Album/mmid/614/mediaid/574.aspx

 

[richwagmn]

i think you are right. if contador knew this long riis also knew.

erader

I believe this too. Nothing here to see. Slap on the wrist maybe?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Hmm it was so absolutely minimal. I wouldn't hang out the flag yet ACF

Think he will get away with this one

 

[richwagmn]

Hmm it was so absolutely minimal. I wouldn't hang out the flag yet ACF

Think he will get away with this one

Be sad for auscyclefan94 though. Been like Viagra for that dude.

 

[Blakeslee]

O.K. i understand the concept of micro-dosing, but were talking 50 picograms here... could that have any effect whatsoever, regardless of what other drugs it may have been combined with?

Sorry for the confusion here, I didn't word my post very well. What I was speculating is that riders are micro dosing the major drugs like EPO and combining that with smaller drugs like clenbuterol to achieve the same results they used to be able to achieve with a full dose of EPO.

 

[royalpig180]

This may have been previously adressed, but I missed it so hear goes:

I know that Fuyu Li of RS tested positive for clenbuterol earlier this year and got a 2 year ban. Can anyone link to an article or other source to show how much he tested positive with? If it was as little as Contador, then I don't see AC getting off...

 

[Parrulo]

Be sad for auscyclefan94 though. Been like Viagra for that dude.

too bad viagra is as usefull for him as for an 80 year old man(hint: 80 year old's don't need 4 hour long erections )

 

[Polish]

The small amount is not as important as how it got there.

Any predictions on the food eaten on that fateful rest day?
Horse/Yak casserole with savory "makes its own sauce" gravy?
Nutritious and delicious!


Also, any bonuses for winning the Tour that will need to be returned? SCA type lawsuit?
Can Astana ask for any salary to be returned? Have they already paid Alberto for 2010?

 

[nicholaaaas]

Maybe,

http://www.velonation.com/Photos/Photo-Album/mmid/614/mediaid/574.aspx

pretty much... in light of evrything there is no chance Spain sanctions him... then the UCI and the WADA will take it to the CAS. And they can't dismiss it cause there was something there... but they'll give him like a 3 month ban. and he'll crush AS next July to show him this year was a fluke al-la Jan in 03

 

[clydesdale]

Second sample is already back. It was positive as well.

Sorry, misread the article.

I also HATE the contamination defense. I feel I've heard this one before on a number of occasions. You are a professional bleeping athlete, KNOW WHAT GOES INTO YOUR BODY.

 

[ricara]

Incredibly unlikely. The amount needed for decreased adiposity and an increase of muscle mass is almost definitely going to have a deleterious effect for an endurance athlete.

The only potential benefit would be as a bronchodilator and a mild stimulant. Given that he probably has a TUE for a bronchodilator already and there are legal stimulants which are more effective, it seems incredibly unlikely to me that he was doping with Clentbuterol. I'm not saying he road clean, I just find it incredibly unlikely that he was using this substance, either in training or in racing. Anyone with any understanding of pharmacodynamics will probably reach the same conclusion. Of course, most aren't going to let facts get in the way.

My prediction: he'll beat the rap. My opinion: he probably should. My official Clinic Stance: Lance paid off someone to spike his Cheerios. Sure takes the heat off at such a perfect time.

Great post. Great info. Great punch line!

 

[nicholaaaas]

Sorry, misread the article.

I also HATE the contamination defense. I feel I've heard this one before on a number of occasions. You are a professional bleeping athlete, KNOW WHAT GOES INTO YOUR BODY.

i hate hearing "know what goes in your body" are the ****ing robots? all they do is train, race, eat, read nutritional labels, then do spectral analysis to confirm the purity of their nutrients?

i hope you get food poisoning and i'm there to laugh at you

 

[clydesdale]

i hate hearing "know what goes in your body" are the ****ing robots? all they do is train, race, eat, read nutritional labels, then do spectral analysis to confirm the purity of their nutrients?

i hope you get food poisoning and i'm there to laugh at you

Yes, they get paid incredible amounts of money to do this for a living. I have no problem holding them up to a high standard.

I never get sick. Keep hoping. It is also important to note that I do not get paid to play a professional sport and therefore am not subject to drug testing.

 

[nicholaaaas]

Yes, they get paid incredible amounts of money to do this for a living. I have no problem holding them up to a high standard.

I never get sick. Keep hoping. It is also important to note that I do not get paid to play a professional sport and therefore am not subject to drug testing.

guess what dumbass... they have lives too... some of them even drink beer. go cry now. they're not gods

 

[PCutter]

For those who are using Fuyu Li's positive as a comparison, please note comments below on his level of positive (which is higher than the 1/400th claimed for Conti). For those claiming he is banned for 2yrs should also note that at this stage he only faces a ban of up to 2yrs, his case is yet to be dealt with by the Chinese sports drug agency. I apologize in advance for bringing facts to the debate.

From the Daily Peleton:

The value that was found in Li’s sample, is extremely low. Ten to twenty times lower then a WADA/UCI laboratory must be able to detect, according to anti-doping expert Douwe de Boer:

“Laboratories must be able to find 1.00 ng/mL, while a normal threshold value is considered to be 2.00 ng/mL. The value of 0.05-0.10 ng/mL that was found in Fuyu Li’s body points clearly in the direction of a contamination. On top of that, such a low dose would not help his performance in any way.”

Douwe de Boer stated, “The extremely low value points in the direction of a contamination. Clenbuterol contaminations exist in food supplements and in meat. Clenbuterol is often used to improve the visible quality of meat. There have been several scandals in China, with Clenbuterol poisoning of people by eating heavily contaminated meat. My best guess would be that something like this caused Fuyu Li’s positive. I hope he will be treated fairly in his process in China.

Douwe de Boer is a Senior Investigator and Biochemist at the University Hospital Maastricht, the Netherlands and former director of WADA anti-doping laboratory Lisbon, Portugal.

 

[clydesdale]

guess what dumbass... they have lives too... some of them even drink beer. go cry now. they're not gods

Who's crying? I don't even like contador that much and have lived under the assumption that most professional athletes dope in some fashion anyway. I just hate that excuse is all.

 

[131313]

Sorry, misread the article.

I also HATE the contamination defense. I feel I've heard this one before on a number of occasions. You are a professional bleeping athlete, KNOW WHAT GOES INTO YOUR BODY.

That's total BS. What are you going to do, buy your own f-ing farm, and grow all of your own food? Hmm....where you plan on getting your fertilizer, or seed...

Do you have any idea of the trace amounts are under discussion here, and what the world's food supply looks like?