Contador positive!!!!!

[clydesdale]

“The concentration found by the laboratory was estimated at 50 picograms (or 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml) which is 400 time less than what the antidoping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect.”


If they must be able to detect a certain amount, I don't see how they can sanction him.

Please repost if this has been covered.

Thanks, that's sort of what I figured. A number of things about this whole thing confuses me but I'll wait until the second sample comes back.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The UCI bullshit can stop right now.

WADA - Minimum Required Performance Limits.

Basically this is the standard limit across all laboratories so they can detect various PED's, however as noted from the document:

The MRPL is not a threshold, nor is it a limit of detection or a limit of qualification.
Adverse Analytical Findings may result from concentrations below those listed in the table.

See you in Court Bertie.

 

[Race Radio]

Thanks, that's sort of what I figured. A number of things about this whole thing confuses me but I'll wait until the second sample comes back.

Second sample is already back. It was positive as well.

 

[Publicus]

Its the exact same concentration Fuyu Li tested positive for in April, Fuyu is getting a two year ban.

When you say concentration, do you mean that Fuyu only had the 50 picograms too? Or just that they both tested positive for the same drug?

Also, if this 400x less than the amount required for detection under WADA standards, why is he suspended? Is the UCI trying to let cyclists know that just being below the thresholds isn't enough? I would think they know that the suspension will not hold up in even the most stringent national commission (which we all know isn't Spain's reputation) given these truly trace amounts. It will be interesting to watch this play out, especially with the Landis/Armstrong playing out in the media.

EDIT: I see Dr. Maserati has already answered my first question. Thanks. As I said, interesting days ahead to see how this plays out.

 

[royalpig180]

We will see.

See what? You think in a couple months/years LA's gonna come out and say, "Whoops, my bad! I doped all 7 years AND i control the entire UCI and WADA. And I spiked Contador's froot loops! My bad..."

A likely story...

 

[sartain]

boy do you have an active imagination .

erader

Race Radio just posted that the B sample is positive, so we can cross my first item off the list.

 

[Berzin]

Second sample is already back. It was positive as well.

It doesn't matter.

This is a tempest in a teacup, and it will blow over quickly.

Because of the minuscule traces found, and the fact that none of his other tests were found to have this substance, and the biggest factor of all that Contador has the money to fight this in court if it even gets that far, it will be over quickly.

Have a good night beating your collective heads against the wall over this one.

¡¡¡Viva El Pistolero!!!

 

[buckwheat]

The UCI bullshit can stop right now.

WADA - Minimum Required Performance Limits.

Basically this is the standard limit across all laboratories so they can detect various PED's, however as noted from the document:


See you in Court Bertie.

Thanks, the UCI spins right out of the gate I guess.

 

[erader]

We will see.

i just read the latest news and i'll bet contador skates.

erader

 

[erader]

It doesn't matter.

This is a tempest in a teacup, and it will blow over quickly.

Because of the minuscule traces found, and the fact that none of his other tests were found to have this substance, and the biggest factor of all that Contador has the money to fight this in court if it even gets that far, it will be over quickly.

Have a good night beating your collective heads against the wall over this one.

i think you are right. if contador knew this long riis also knew.

erader

 

[For The World]

The UCI bullshit can stop right now.

WADA - Minimum Required Performance Limits.

Basically this is the standard limit across all laboratories so they can detect various PED's, however as noted from the document:

See you in Court Bertie.

Quoting this because this is something a few people seem to be missing. If you want to have a clean sport, then people need to be CLEAN. As in no detectable PEDs of any sort. Unlike when driving a car on the road, and you're legally allowed to have a blood alcohol concentration of 0.08, 0.05 or 0.02 (depending on your location), in professional cycling it appears to be a positive or negative, regardless of level.

If the samples had tested 1% below the minimum required level for detection, would that still beg the question as to why he is suspended? Once you start introducing gradation in regards to levels of PEDs, you might be better to abandon drug controls.

Edit: Because I could.

 

[davestoller]

Ha!
Clenbuterol is a well known doping substance. Get over it.

If he was found with this level, imagine what the REAL level was before masking agents and dilution of his sample.
Funny how the UCI is bending over backwards with we need scientific blah blah blah.
Quite different from FLoyd's worst case scenario.

At least the A and B sample werent leaked. Give someone credit here.

But Contador did end his season very very very early.
He hardly raced at all this year.
when did he know?
Probably by time he was riding the Champs?
I mean it doesnt take this much time for the result to come back...
more questions.......

IS THIS WHY BORDRY IS STEPPING DOWN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OMG

But I will wait and reserve judgment until the one and only real authority, Betsy Andreu weighs in, or Greg Lemond. Maybe he was on Joe Papp's list?

 

[buckwheat]

The UCI bullshit can stop right now.

WADA - Minimum Required Performance Limits.

Basically this is the standard limit across all laboratories so they can detect various PED's, however as noted from the document:


See you in Court Bertie.

I read your link regarding the MRPL's. That's just a level that all accredited labs are required to detect.

How stupid does the UCI and Contador think people are?

Laughable.

Schlecks clean though!

 

[davestoller]

Cyclingnews WAS based over here in AUS for years. I don't know how long it has been based in England.

Yes, cyclingnews has been very biased.

If it were Lance it would be screaming in bold caps headlines like, we always knew etc.

oops, you were saying "based."
Sorry.
My bad.

 

[Anonymous]

Man. This sucks.

The 2011 Tour of California has lost it's brightest star... Dang.

Messick must be pissed.

 

[auscyclefan94]

When you say concentration, do you mean that Fuyu only had the 50 picograms too? Or just that they both tested positive for the same drug?

Also, if this 400x less than the amount required for detection under WADA standards, why is he suspended? Is the UCI trying to let cyclists know that just being below the thresholds isn't enough? I would think they know that the suspension will not hold up in even the most stringent national commission (which we all know isn't Spain's reputation) given these truly trace amounts. It will be interesting to watch this play out, especially with the Landis/Armstrong playing out in the media.

EDIT: I see Dr. Maserati has already answered my first question. Thanks. As I said, interesting days ahead to see how this plays out.

Publicus, surely they would have some grounds to release the information out to say it was a positive test? If they know the positive test is not substantial enough why would they release the results? It seems interesting that in Contador's statement he never said anything about it being 400 times under the amount required. Did the AFLD do the testing at le tour? . They legally could not say he tested positive if it is too minute to recognise as a positive test. There is much more to this that we don't know

 

[buckwheat]

i just read the latest news and i'll bet contador skates.

erader

What's the latest news?

If it doesn't trump this http://redirectingat.com/?id=92X588...yclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10317&page=35

he's not skating.

 

[buckwheat]

Publicus, surely they would have some grounds to release the information out to say it was a positive test? If they know the positive test is not substantial enough why would they release the results? It seems interesting that in Contador's statement he never said anything about it being 400 times under the amount required. Did the AFLD do the testing at le tour? . They legally could not say he tested positive if it is too minute to recognise as a positive test. There is much more to this that we don't know

There's no threshold for a positive. Read the link.

http://redirectingat.com/?id=92X588...yclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10317&page=35

 

[131313]

The UCI bullshit can stop right now.

WADA - Minimum Required Performance Limits.

Basically this is the standard limit across all laboratories so they can detect various PED's, however as noted from the document:


See you in Court Bertie.

Correct, there's no threshold limit because it's not a naturally occurring substance. If it's there, it was ingested. It's also very easy to detect, with little room for interpretation of the result.

That said, people aren't thinking rationally if they think a trace amount can't be accidentally ingested. I was only half kidding about the Cheerios. Fortified cereals use vitamins sourced from all over who-knows-where. It's entirely possible that a trace amount could be ingested unknowingly, and in this case I actually consider it pretty likely. Quite frankly, there really need to be threshold limits set for many categories of drugs on the banned list, for this exact reason.

 

[erader]

What's the latest news?

If it doesn't trump this http://redirectingat.com/?id=92X588...yclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10317&page=35

he's not skating.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-contador-positive-requires-further-scientific-investigation

 

[SpartacusRox]

Get him before a Grand Jury, wipe the floor with him, he has been cheating people for years, this is just the tip of the iceberg, pharmador, etc etc yada yada yada...yawn.

 

[auscyclefan94]

This is concerning

“This case required further scientific investigation before any conclusion could be drawn. The UCI continues working with the scientific support of WADA to analyse all the elements that are relevant to the case. This further investigation may take some more time.

This will drag out forever

 

[SpartacusRox]

Ha!
Clenbuterol is a well known doping substance. Get over it.

If he was found with this level, imagine what the REAL level was before masking agents and dilution of his sample.
Funny how the UCI is bending over backwards with we need scientific blah blah blah.
Quite different from FLoyd's worst case scenario.

At least the A and B sample werent leaked. Give someone credit here.

But Contador did end his season very very very early.
He hardly raced at all this year.
when did he know?
Probably by time he was riding the Champs?
I mean it doesnt take this much time for the result to come back...
more questions.......

IS THIS WHY BORDRY IS STEPPING DOWN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OMG

But I will wait and reserve judgment until the one and only real authority, Betsy Andreu weighs in, or Greg Lemond. Maybe he was on Joe Papp's list?

Greg has a recorded conversation between Betsy and Contador where he admits that Lance supplied him with the drugs...

 

[nicholaaaas]

“The concentration found by the laboratory was estimated at 50 picograms (or 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml) which is 400 time less than what the antidoping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect.”


If they must be able to detect a certain amount, I don't see how they can sanction him.

Please repost if this has been covered.

i believe by the wording that the 400 times more amount would be the minimal accreditation standards... but still but being several million% better than the minimal standards is suspect

 

[nicholaaaas]

Prove that he is a douche bag to his team mates, prove that he cries like a little gril. The last statement is upon interpretation.

i think it makes you a little person by having a go at someone because they have an odd voice. You must have nothing wrong with you then. Judge someone by their character and not physical or genetic attributes. Disabled people can't help their disability. Do you make fun of them?

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