Contador positive!!!!!

[biokemguy]

who carried out the test?

Sorry if this has been covered and I missed it.
Weren't both UCI and AFLD doing testing this year?
If so, who caught AC? If it was AFLD, could the handling of this case be why Bodry stepped down?

 

[soslow]

This is a ridiculously small amount. I doubt it has any therapeutic effect. In fact, I found one reference where clen had a negative aerobic effect in horses

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12471305

What dose would a person need to take to get such a small amount? The half-life of the stuff in the body is 36-48 hours. If he tested clean in an earlier stage and then gave this 50 pg/mL result shortly after the negative result, he would have had to take a pill that is not in existence. No one would formulate such a dosage. It would be worthless.

I would have to see the analytical data, but I work in this realm all the time. Unless my lab can absolutely prove our system is clean before the analysis, I tend to blow off part per trillion results as “carry over” from standards or some sort of laboratory contamination. Of course if the B sample gave the same result it helps show that it is the sample and not from the lab.

 

[Oldman]

The situation is freakin' hilarious.
Pat McQuaid must feel like he is in a year long sh!tstorm, and there are still three months to go. Highly entertaining.

Stupid is as stupid does. Hein is probably looking for an alpine meadow to hide in he's so embarrassed. He kept the little monkeys in line for years.

 

[Martin318is]

Wow, some people who post on a Cycling Forum said I am intellectually questionable! Wow, I am just cut. They know me so well to make a judgement like that.

well.... you have given them a sample size of over 7,270 comments to assess...

I imagine that most people's closest friends would have 100% recall on no more than say 200 of their comments....

so technically, those on the forum that take the time to do the work are probably qualified to make some form of comment....


just sayin'

 

[hektoren]

This is a ridiculously small amount. I doubt it has any therapeutic effect. In fact, I found one reference where clen had a negative aerobic effect in horses

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12471305

What dose would a person need to take to get such a small amount? The half-life of the stuff in the body is 36-48 hours. If he tested clean in an earlier stage and then gave this 50 pg/mL result shortly after the negative result, he would have had to take a pill that is not in existence. No one would formulate such a dosage. It would be worthless.

I would have to see the analytical data, but I work in this realm all the time. Unless my lab can absolutely prove our system is clean before the analysis, I tend to blow off part per trillion results as “carry over” from standards or some sort of laboratory contamination. Of course if the B sample gave the same result it helps show that it is the sample and not from the lab.

I agree. With a clean sample from the day before, he's off the hook. This'll go away in a couple of days.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Now there's two things I don't get. First if this amount is 400x under what WADA recommends, then why is this even considered a positive test?

Then, if the tolerance is zero, and it's plausible for people to come up positive from contaminated food, why is this the first time someone came up positive? Why doesn't this happen more often?

 

[flicker]

I am pretty sure bertos food was spiked. His Beefeaters had the day off.

 

[BroDeal]

I think it is obvious what happened here. On rest day Contador downed several shots of contaminated whiskey.

 

[flicker]

I think it is obvious what happened here. On rest day Contador downed several shots of contaminated whiskey.

Well said Captain Haddock!

 

[Polyarmour]

Now there's two things I don't get. First if this amount is 400x under what WADA recommends, then why is this even considered a positive test?

Then, if the tolerance is zero, and it's plausible for people to come up positive from contaminated food, why is this the first time someone came up positive? Why doesn't this happen more often?

Have they tested Contador to a higher tolerance level than normal? ie more accurate and sensitive testing. Clearly they use a number of labs and the labs have differing abilities to test to these levels. The inference being that if they tested everyone to these levels they would get more positives?

 

[JPM London]

For one I'm not going to say for sure he did it... Or that he didn't!

All I could wish for was something more substantial than this. Bloody hell! If he had been caught for blood doping, CERA etc then at least it would be a LOT harder to dismiss it...

 

[BroDeal]

Now there's two things I don't get. First if this amount is 400x under what WADA recommends, then why is this even considered a positive test?

Because WADA has not been smart enough to set a minimum threshold. You could find anyone positive for anything if you had sensitive enough equipment.

Then, if the tolerance is zero, and it's plausible for people to come up positive from contaminated food, why is this the first time someone came up positive? Why doesn't this happen more often?

We don't know how many labs are reporting results this far under the minimum detection standard and for how long the ones that are have been doing it. It is also not the first time. Fuyu Li was way under the detection threshold as well, although not nearly as far under it as Contador.

Personally I think this is probably a case of contamination, but it can be looked at as karma since Contador was neck deep in Saiz's and Bruyneel's doping operations.

 

[EmpressJo]

I agree. With a clean sample from the day before, he's off the hook. This'll go away in a couple of days.

Sure, it'll go away, but will it ever be completely forgotten? Cleared or not, he's tainted IMHO.

 

[hektoren]

Calves undergoing clenbuterol therapy, where cessation of medication occurred 28 days pre-slaughter, had residues of Clenbuterol in their eye tissue, with a concentration 100 times higher than that of Contador's sample. http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a902491864

Let'im off the hook!

 

[Teddy Boom]

Now there's two things I don't get. First if this amount is 400x under what WADA recommends, then why is this even considered a positive test?

Then, if the tolerance is zero, and it's plausible for people to come up positive from contaminated food, why is this the first time someone came up positive? Why doesn't this happen more often?

One interesting thing I saw when skimming Dr. de Boer's letter is that this has only come up because it is not a stimulant, Beta-blocker, narcotic, can't occur naturally, and is banned by any method of administration. If it had qualified as any one of those, there would be a minimum threshold, and it wouldn't have been reported.

It happened to Li Fuyu, but you must know that, so... Why doesn't it happen to more athletes?

I really don't know how I feel about this one..

 

[sida-mot]

Good news! Most of us must have suspected/been convinced that he wasn't pure. Hope they follow through with this.

 

[Teddy Boom]

Also in that letter: "The concentration of Clenbuterol found in the urine sample taken July 21st was very low, the applied method was not quantitative, but it may be estimated that the concentration was in the range of 50pg/mL"

 

[D Avoid]

My thread was first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's cos all the other donkeys were in bed.


I don't read Cycling Nudes before bedtime, I want a realistic nature to be present in my dweams.

 

[Martin]

well if this is true, from now on, el pistolero should point his fingers at himself and pull the trigger

 

[Martin318is]

Good news! Most of us must have suspected/been convinced that he wasn't pure. Hope they follow through with this.

Actually I disagree, I think its terrible news. There isn't really an upside to it that I can see.

Either:

1) Contador did take PEDs including this one and has got caught - but for such a tiny tiny infraction that a lot of the public will actually feel sorry for him after a while. but now he might have been scared into not doping again and never getting caught for the real stuff.

2) Contador didn't take anything and is now tainted by something that will not go away and will be brought up for another re-hash argument every single time AC does anything. it will muddy all conversations and potentially protect other riders who DID dope by giving them a precedent.

Either way, he is very unlikely to get much of a penalty for it. As was said above, I would be a lot happier if this either didn't get publicised at all OR was actually a clear case of blood doping or CERA etc that couldn't be explained away.

 

[Fly on the Wall]

Alpe, the 400x is not a statement about how minimal Contador's postive was, it was a statement about how good the lab was. In essence, it stated that the lab was 400x better than then crappiest lab they would allow to do testing. To judge how consequential/inconsequential Contador's 50pg/ml results were would require lab results from other riders who have tested positive for Clenbuterol to compare against. If I am not mistaken, the threshold for Clen is zero, and anything above it, no matter how minimal, requires explanation or action will be taken.

 

[Barrus]

Calves undergoing clenbuterol therapy, where cessation of medication occurred 28 days pre-slaughter, had residues of Clenbuterol in their eye tissue, with a concentration 100 times higher than that of Contador's sample. http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a902491864

Let'im off the hook!

For those not able to access it, here is the abstract:

Six Brown Swiss veal calves were medicated with the therapeutic dose of the β-adrenoceptor agonist clenbuterol (0.8 μg kg-1 body weight, orally, twice daily for 10 days). After the prescribed withdrawal period of 28 days, the calves were slaughtered and the eyes were analyzed for clenbuterol residues. The residues varied in concentration from 2 to 5 ng clenbuterol g-1 eye tissue. Based on these data, a variation range (< 6.5 ng g-1), a threshold range (6.5-9.7 ng g-1) and an elevated range indicating misuse (> 9.7 ng g-1) could be calculated, providing guidelines for handling such animals. There was parallelism (r = 0.73) between the plasma clenbuterol concentration during treatment and residues found in the eyes after withdrawal, indicating passive accumulation.

@ fly on the wall, I think the amount is smaller than any of the previous suspended riders, as the UCI publicly announced that they do not know what to do with it (a bit of paraphrasing). ALso it has been stated by many yhat such an amount found, could never had any performance enhancing qualities, even if you take into account degrading

 

[JPM London]

Don't know if anyone else has posted this already, so apologies if:

According to Damsgaard it could look like blood doping:

- If the date is correct, then it is more likely that it is a Landis (the doping convicted cyclist Floyd Landis, ed.) It will say that he has received a transfusion of his blood taken out a few months earlier, when he spent clenbuterol, which he has gotten back into the body, writes Rasmus Damsgaard in an SMS to TV 2 Sport.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/article.php/id-33923621:damsgaard-det-ligner-en-landis.html

 

[Martin318is]

And that is partly the problem I have with it all. He was tested the day before and there was nothing. This kills off the argument that it is a trace amount indicating he took a larger amount a day or two earlier. That leaves us with the idea that he intentionally took a very low (and apparently fairly pointless) amount.

Would be a lot more comfortable with it all if it wasn't so inexplicable...

 

[Climbing]

Yes, someone must have put something inside his food.
Sure.
Clearly.
Wake up people (the ones not already awake).