Contador positive!!!!!

[Aguirre]

listen, contador is speaking in teledeporte online

he even explains where the meet comes from, who brought the steak, why,

you got a steakgate!!!!!

hillarious!

 

[El Pistolero]

JUst checked the level that Fuyu Li was found to have in his sample and compared it to Contador. It is the same level!!

Fuyu Li had 0.05=0.1 ng
Contador had 50 pg

50pg = 0.05 ng

I can't see them letting him off unless Fuyu Li is too.

If you condiser Jessica Hardy's case, he's looking at 12 months at least.

How is 0.1 ng the same as 0.05 ng?

 

[python]

listen, contador is speaking in teledeporte online

he even explains where the meet comes from, who brought the steak, why,

you got a steakgate!!!!!

hillarious!

funny ha ? actually de boer's report already pointed to a meat product from spain. now they will probably strive to locate the representative sample and test it if possible. then berto walks.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Well, well, well, I leave the forum for 24 hours and return to this!

While I dont think Albert is mr clean but this rediculously small amount can only be one of two things, contemination or error/ carelesness with a prior transfusion.
Giving grace if theres no other evidence means accepting contemination.

That said..my first gut reaction?... the annoucement timing stinks of distraction.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

funny ha ? actually de boer's report already pointed to a meat product from spain. now they will probably strive to locate the representative sample and test it if possible. then berto walks.

All meat in the EU (which includes Spain) have 100% traceability 'from farm to fork'. If he ate contaminated meat it should be traceable.

Thanks for the updated document - it does confuse matters.

 

[Moncoutie]

Jesus, what a depressing day. This AND Mosquera.

 

[Aguirre]

the meat was brought by Jose Luis Lopez Cerron, organiser of Vuelta Castilla y Leon, it comes from cows that have a very valuable quality in gastronomic way.

the meat was "Denominacion de origen Castilla y Leon", this means: super-good meat

Contador says, he doesn't want to hurt Meat Industrie,

I guess scientifists should start analysing the meat!

we eat **** but we are not aware of it!!!!

 

[sheenyp]

this is the right document doc but a badly outdated revision which may prove very important.

compare it to a 2009 revision
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...m/WADP-IS-Laboratories/WADA_TD2009MRPL_EN.pdf

and the first foot note under the table on page 1. it was not there in 2004
and that's the main argument de boer makes.

given the confusing nature of the clenbuterol classification under the wada banned list and the trace amounts, contador may have a case but it will take a lot more than de boyer's paper.

So this document states that the threshold is 2ng/ml which is 2000pg/ml.

We are told that ACs result was 50pg/ml so isn't that 40 rather than 400 times less than the threshold that the UCI reported?

 

[BroDeal]

listen, contador is speaking in teledeporte online

he even explains where the meet comes from, who brought the steak, why,

you got a steakgate!!!!!

hillarious!

The cow says, "I was framed."

 

[jezzer]

I would love to think it was a contamination case. But the odds of it happening accidentally to a guy who is a pro cyclist with associations to known dopers in the middle of the toughest GT of the year, it's just not plausible.

My theory, for what it's worth (and I'm anything but an expert on pro cycling or pharmacy) is that he was storing blood for taking transfusions during the race - (possibly masking something else?). He had been using Clenbuterone during training, they probably had the blood tested to make sure there were no traces of any banned substances in the frozen blood packs, but their lab was not able to analyse traces as small as were found by the lab that busted him.

I can't believe for a moment that he was taking this stuff during the race - that doesn't stack up. This is most likely a trace left in the blood of past doping which they were unaware was there. I don't know about the half-life of this stuff in frozen blood and all the other scientific knowledge necessary to know whether my theory is medically plausible.

But to my mind it's either this or he is the unluckiest guy in the history of cycling to have ingested the only known contaminated pork chop in France.

BTW, why not come out and declare cycling clean, even if you know about this positive result? What better way to say "if I was doping, why would I so publicly come out in support of clean cycling"

 

[Ferminal]

A big question is, how many labs can detect it at these levels? Maybe that's the answer to why so few athletes test positive for it despite it being "common" the environment.

 

[BroDeal]

funny ha ? actually de boer's report already pointed to a meat product from spain. now they will probably strive to locate the representative sample and test it if possible. then berto walks.

All they have to do is find some leftover meatloaf that has been sitting in someone's fridge since July. No problem.

 

[issoisso]

The cow says, "I was framed."

Looks like this guy's........dead meat


YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

we eat **** but we are not aware of it!!!!

If you believe Contador's excuse, then yeah, I'd say you do.

 

[OneRaceWonder]

All they have to do is find some leftover meatloaf that has been sitting in someone's fridge since July. No problem.

Yup! And "the best cyclist in the world"...eats a steak during the rest day at the biggest race in the world...only him of everyone eating meat during tdf...and shows results of doping in his blood...

Come on guys...don´t even speculate if he might ate some bad meat..not plausible..

 

[JA.Tri]

AC concentration

Originally Posted by ultimobici View Post
JUst checked the level that Fuyu Li was found to have in his sample and compared it to Contador. It is the same level!!

Fuyu Li had 0.05=0.1 ng
Contador had 50 pg

50pg = 0.05 ng

I can't see them letting him off unless Fuyu Li is too.

If you condiser Jessica Hardy's case, he's looking at 12 months at least.
How is 0.1 ng the same as 0.05 ng?

It appears FY's concentration twice that of AC... seems close enough to generate similar sanctions?

 

[python]

So this document states that the threshold is 2ng/ml which is 2000pg/ml.

We are told that ACs result was 50pg/ml so isn't that 40 rather than 400 times less than the threshold that the UCI reported?

forget about the multiplier and read the document in stead. it's only 2 pages !

the document black on white explains and explicitly warns that the minimum required performance limit is not, NOT a threshold limit.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

So basically, Contador ate a doped spanish cow.

End of story.

Can we move on now? Contador will walk.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yup! And "the best cyclist in the world"...eats a steak during the rest day at the biggest race in the world...only him of everyone eating meat during tdf...and shows results of doping in his blood...

Come on guys...don´t even speculate if he might ate some bad meat..not plausible..

You do know they only test the yellow jersey, stage winner of the day and a few "random"(I doubt it's actually that random when looking at the Tour of 2008) cyclists each day in the Tour right?

 

[sheenyp]

yeah I read the document and the bit that says the minimum detectable level is 2ng/ml!

UCI states that ACs samples were 400 times less than the minimum detectable level, bit from my maths it's 40 not 400.

Jeez must have really annoyed you to get the big font out!!

 

[Cloxxki]

You guys are posting faster than I can scroll and load pages!

Howcome FatPatMcQuack hasn't offered Berti a nice deal? Or did he ask a number with a zero more than usual? Pressure from the Lance camp to never ever do this should it come up, "or else..."?

Sure seems like a messed up transfusion. Happened to Landis when he was on his own managing things. Berti missed Johan's oversight.
That said, if Berti were doping less, and getting scared on how close it was getting, he may have grabbed what he could. Possibly a whole cocktail of additives, not previously tested, due to not expecting to require them. It may go that route, a long one.
If I were implacted on Clen noqw, I'd say I'd take whichever punishment Berti gets, he's got the $$$ lawyers and helpful national union.

 

[ultimobici]

How is 0.1 ng the same as 0.05 ng?

Typo! Should have been 0.05-0.01

 

[python]

yeah I read the document and the bit that says the minimum detectable level is 2ng/ml!

UCI states that ACs samples were 400 times less than the minimum detectable level, bit from my maths it's 40 not 400.

Jeez must have really annoyed you to get the big font out!!

you did not annoy me, you only reiterated my observation that ppl will go into all kinds of secondary side issues in stead of attempting to read references for themselves. again, minimum detctable lavel has nothing (get ready) nothing to do with the minimum of 2 units.

 

[Machu Picchu]

Sorry, I'm a bit late here and just catching up, so in summary:

Contador/Astana arranged to have some nice juicy steaks brought over from Spain for a special meal, only two from the team were tested but Vino had gone for the fish earlier in the day leaving Alberto as the only positive ?_?

He'd been tested prior and after this test but nothing was found so his story is the meat but a blood transfusion sounds all the more likely ?_?

 

[Grand Tourist]

Wow!!!!

I suppose Riis will be looking for a team leader then?

 

[leftover pie]

so even the cows in spain dope, if this is true how come so many are on the losing end in the bullring?