Contador positive!!!!!

[unclem0nty]

I don't think Alberto knows where the tiny fraction of clen comes from. I guess he thinks that coming up with the whole meat thing is slightly better than saying "I don't know where it came from".

Then he is very badly wrong.

It sounds ridiculous. His excuse is a fair way down the positive-testee's Pinocchio continuum - somewhere between Landis's Jack Daniels party and that German distance runner (was it Dieter Baumann?) who claimed a rival had spiked his toothpaste.

 

[indurain666]

That's a good point.

I think I have solved the puzzle

 

[samerics]

It feels like his other great feud is more personal when I read this article. Doping is doping and this is very revealing.

With respect, that is BS. With Armstrong we are talking about allegations of EPO and systematic doping. With Contador we are talking about a tiny, tiny dose of something that could easily be ingested in meat, which would explain all his other clean tests. Also, the "benefits" of this tiny dose are non-existent. Still think it''s the same? Come on....

 

[sometriguy]

Conclusions

1) The found concentration of CLENBUTEROL in the urine sample of Mr. Contador is extremely low.

2) It is extremely likely and would be only fair to regard the scenario of accidental intake low amounts of CLENBUTEROL by meat consumption.

3) WADA-accredited laboratories should not report CLENBUTEROL below 10% (1/10th) of its MRPL of 2 ng/mL, i.e. 0.2 ng/mL (= 200 pg/mL) as being a `fair and reasonable` concentration for an Adverse Analytical Finding of CLENBUTEROL.

from the report of Dr Douwe de Boer, which can be read, in english, here
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=31038

Excellent article, Thanks!

 

[indurain666]

I think Alberto knows exactly where the clen came from, but it's not like he's going to say, "hey Pepe gave it to me."

Pepe doesn't give you 1/80s of clen pills during rest days

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

This might get _really_ nasty (for McQuatsch)

German public broadcaster ARD claims, they were after this for weeks and knew for almost sure about Contador´s positive since "a few days".
They went to the UCI, which refused to comment.
Called McQuaid in Australia yesterday, who said "i have no idea, what you are talking about".

There might be more "positives" in Contador´s blood: plasticiser as used in the material of which blood-bags are made.

Oh, and the "Weltradsportverband hat einen Präsidenten, der lügt".

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Pepe doesn't give you 1/80s of clen pills during rest days

Probably not. I assume he gives a whole pill followed by some masking agents.

 

[JRTinMA]

With respect, that is BS. With Armstrong we are talking about allegations of EPO and systematic doping. With Contador we are talking about a tiny, tiny dose of something that could easily be ingested in meat, which would explain all his other clean tests. Also, the "benefits" of this tiny dose are non-existent. Still think it''s the same? Come on....

Its not BS at all, both LA and AC are dopers. Contador stroked out as a young man and his blood bags were found Puerto investigation. Do you know what three things cause strokes in a 20 year old? 1) drugs 2) drugs 3) drugs. He's a doper who finally got caught for Clen, one of the oldest PEDs in the sport. Greg Lemond's comments are BS, it looks a little like its highly personal to me. Maybe it should be LA f'ed him good but thats not what Lemond says, its about the sport remember. Pharmador is a doper and Lemond comes off badly IMO.

 

[Winterfold]

great article - thanks for the link lucybears

I find that totally convincing and plausible.

 

[phlatties]

how do you guys put up with this crap? road racing has become the lindsay lohan of cycling. What a joke. Lemond this, Lance that, and so on. Then all of us wannabes chiming in at the water cooler. It's embarassing. See you guys later. I forget that my kid's watching me.

 

[Jamsque]

German public broadcaster ARD claims, they were after this for weeks and knew for almost sure about Contador´s positive since "a few days".
They went to the UCI, which refused to comment.
Called McQuaid in Australia yesterday, who said "i have no idea, what you are talking about".

There might be more "positives" in Contador´s blood: plasticiser as used in the material of which blood-bags are made.

Oh, and the "Weltradsportverband hat einen Präsidenten, der lügt".

My german ain't what it used to be...

Can you expand at all on the plasticiser claim? What reason does ARD have to suspect that is the case?

Could the admission of this innocuous positive be a smokescreen to cover up a more serious one?[/tinfoil hat]

 

[hfer07]

Ok. lets cut the bullsh!t and get to the matter at hand:
As much I like Contador, and for the sake of our sport, I hope and pray we're not witnessing the remake of 99 when a rider popped positive, got away with the crime & went on dominating the sport for years in a ruthless fashion and became an untouchable sacred cow......
I'm ready to accept as a fan that he failed a test, so he must pay for his mistake, get his suspension and comeback cleanER in two years, In order to save the sport from another LA alike...

 

[Escarabajo]

Clearly the Astana transfusion team is not nearly as good as the Bruyneel team. Remember, AC won the Giro, Vuelta, and Tour with JB in charge.

Then, JB leaves Astana and they have to put a new group together and they let the guy that kept track of Vino's blood in 2007 was given the job. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!

Well sometimes to have a good transfusion team on your side is not enough. You also need the head of the UCI on your side.

 

[Race Radio]

The Hog thinks AC is innocent

@ADPrietoP_Y_C - creo que es inocente!
about 2 hours ago via ÜberTwitter in reply to ADPrietoP_Y_C

JohanBruyneel

 

[roundabout]

German public broadcaster ARD claims, they were after this for weeks and knew for almost sure about Contador´s positive since "a few days".
They went to the UCI, which refused to comment.
Called McQuaid in Australia yesterday, who said "i have no idea, what you are talking about".

There might be more "positives" in Contador´s blood: plasticiser as used in the material of which blood-bags are made.

Oh, and the "Weltradsportverband hat einen Präsidenten, der lügt".

Heh, detecting blood bag traces would have been awesome. Alas, i somehow doubt that it was the case.

 

[Ferminal]

Pepe doesn't give you 1/80s of clen pills during rest days

Agreed, he only gives a pint of RBCs.

 

[samerics]

Its not BS at all, both LA and AC are dopers. Contador stroked out as a young man and his blood bags were found Puerto investigation. Do you know what three things cause strokes in a 20 year old? 1) drugs 2) drugs 3) drugs. He's a doper who finally got caught for Clen, one of the oldest PEDs in the sport. Greg Lemond's comments are BS, it looks a little like its highly personal to me. Maybe it should be LA f'ed him good but thats not what Lemond says, its about the sport remember. Pharmador is a doper and Lemond comes off badly IMO.

Again, with respect, I call it BS. Contador has not failed a test before, and there is no clear proof that the AC on the bags was him. Fact. So it is BS that he has definitely doped! And Greg's comments are saying that it is absolutely apples and oranges! Systematic blood doping, with positive tests for EPO ARE different to this, clearly, so I don't get you at all, this is clear to all but the most biased/closed minded.

And read the article by Dr Douwe de Boer on the previous page. Unless you know something that he doesn't! Which I doubt.....

 

[Race Radio]

My german ain't what it used to be...

Can you expand at all on the plasticiser claim? What reason does ARD have to suspect that is the case?

Could the admission of this innocuous positive be a smokescreen to cover up a more serious one?[/tinfoil hat]

There is a new test that they have been working on for transfusions. It looks for signs of the plastic used in blood bags. I was not aware that it had been approved

 

[samerics]

Conclusions

1) The found concentration of CLENBUTEROL in the urine sample of Mr. Contador is extremely low.

2) It is extremely likely and would be only fair to regard the scenario of accidental intake low amounts of CLENBUTEROL by meat consumption.

3) WADA-accredited laboratories should not report CLENBUTEROL below 10% (1/10th) of its MRPL of 2 ng/mL, i.e. 0.2 ng/mL (= 200 pg/mL) as being a `fair and reasonable` concentration for an Adverse Analytical Finding of CLENBUTEROL.

from the report of Dr Douwe de Boer, which can be read, in english, here
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=31038

Before anyone else hypervetilates, please read this and see that this is far from clear cut. I think this will blow over. And I am no fan boy of AC's either, but let's stop being silly, hey?

 

[JRTinMA]

Again, with respect, I call it BS. Contador has not failed a test before, and there is no clear proof that the AC on the bags was him. Fact. So it is BS that he has definitely doped! And Greg's comments are saying that it is absolutely apples and oranges! Systematic blood doping, with positive tests for EPO ARE different to this, clearly, so I don't get you at all, this is clear to all but the most biased/closed minded.

And read the article by Dr Douwe de Boer on the previous page. Unless you know something that he doesn't! Which I doubt.....

OMG the "never failed a drug test" defense. He has failed one now, both the A and the B. AC on a blood bag is all I need, Basso's dogs name was on a bag, I didn't blame the dog! Lemond comes off bad, I don't set levels of bad dopers vs good dopers, they are all just dopers.

 

[Escarabajo]

Two riders that most definitely deserve to win the Tour.

I know, Human Plasma Denis and Cadel.

 

[Machu Picchu]

That was my dinner... And some more. Awesome. And a glas of red wine. In the best steak reataurant in geelong http://yfrog.com/0qy2xj

tweet from Fabian, nice steak dinner

 

[patrick767]

First off, I suppose a disclaimer is necessary to head off "hater" or "fanboy" claims. I'm neither with regards to Contador. I greatly respect his ability, but I was hoping Andy Schleck would beat him this year.

To the point, the amount of this substance found was 400 times less than what a WADA certified lab even has to be able to detect. That's got to be a ridiculously tiny amount. That brings up what I think is a significant issue as we develop tests to detect smaller and smaller trace amounts of substances and that's this: for many substances a zero tolerance policy stops making sense.

It seems to me that for substances of this type that can be detected in very trace amounts and can come from inadvertent sources, a minimal threshold should be established rather than a zero tolerance. We may have detection capability at levels far, far below what would do the athlete any good. Just as a substance being toxic is a factor of its concentration (e.g. we can detect mercury in the human body at levels well below where it does any harm), performance enhancers are too.

Yes, we have to consider that maybe what was detected was just the last un-metabolized portion and the athlete took enough to begin with that it would have aided them, but there may be such trace amounts detected that even that's highly unlikely.

When we're talking about such trace amounts, if there's any other way at all the rider could get that substance in their body in tiny amounts, it becomes a defense worthy of consideration, or at least it should. Cycling has been quite draconian in recent years to improve their image, but in this case it sounds like Contador's defense may well have merit.

Yet once again with a doping case, we immediately see the rush to judgment from many and even a former champion (yes, Lemond) using it as a chance to attack the Bruyneel/Armstrong teams again.

 

[Tubeless]

The plausible case is that Contador's rest day blood bag contained trace amounts of clenbutarol. This drug is useful for recovery but does not leave the body quickly enough to risk taking it during the tour. They would have been careful to wait long enough after taking the drug to extract blood - but did not realize testing for minute amounts has advanced.

This is similar to the Landis case. He clearly had synthetic testosterone in his body - given his denials even after admitting all, a contaminated blood bag is the logical reasoning.

Consider Contador's defense. They've had a month to work on it and add all the names & details. It's not quite as elaborate as the Landis whiskey story, but they were also given lots of time to develop it:

- it wasn't French beef, the meat was brought from Spain (they probably checked that French cattle is not given clenbutarol)

- they were able to find and name the person who verifiably traveled up from Spain, conveniently just before the test and brought the meat

- Vino, the only other person tested, did not eat the meat as he had a dinner earlier in the day

Unless Contador's attorneys can debunk the blood bag theory as another possible explanation, he's toast.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Before anyone else hypervetilates, please read this and see that this is far from clear cut. I think this will blow over. And I am no fan boy of AC's either, but let's stop being silly, hey?

Thats not a conclusion on this case - thats a wishlist, for future cases. (with some good points).

At the moment - AC is suspended for a AAF, he has admitted it, the only outcome is a lenient sentence for not willfully ingesting it.

But if the sanction is too light WADA (& UCI, but unlikely) could appeal that decision to CAS - basically we could well be talking about this next year.