Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[dusty red roads]

Current numbers in Japan - including how many tests yesterday numbers were based on:

Tokyo reports 339 new coronavirus cases, while Osaka logs 132

The rise in the daily tally comes amid worries over a new wave of infections following the end of the Bon summer break.

www.japantimes.co.jp

 

[Cannavaro]

A prominent Pathogist out of Germany, Professor Klaus Püschel, Director of the Institute for Forensic Medicine at the University Clinic Hamburg-Eppendorf, has performed over 100 autopsies on Covid-19 patients:

The German who early on autopsied Covid patients

Most who died of Covid-19 would have died within the year

medium.com

"Expert Püschel: The days of virologists are over"

"Shortly before the German chancellor’s consultation with her prime minister, the renowned forensic scientist Klaus Püschel appeals for a reopening of Germany. The time of virologists was over."

"With his team, he autopsied corona deaths in Hamburg: The forensic scientist Klaus Püschel now appeals to chancellor Angela Merkel to slowly reopen Germany. “Now is the right time”, Püschel tells the Hamburg Abendblatt [Hamburg Evening News]. He adds: “The days of virologists are over. We should now ask others what the right things [to do] are in this corona crisis, for example intensive care doctors.”

"According to his [autopsy] results, Covid-19 is “a comparatively harmless viral disease.” Germans needed to learn to live with it, namely without quarantine. All autopsied Covid deaths had severe illnesses and they would have “ —even if it sounds harsh — all died this year”, says Püschel."

iceni-rising

Dr Klaus Puschel: Autopsies of COVID Patients; Underlying Causes

www.bitchute.com

I am not sure if the media cited him wrong or if his findings are not representative for the situation in Germany. Yesterday the German society of pathology held a press conference and said that in more than 75% of the cases the corona virus was the main or sole reason for death. You can find their summary (in german) here: press kitt

 

[Merckx index]

Nine COVID myths:

1. SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab.
2. Wealthy elites like Bill Gates intentionally spread the virus to profit from it.
3. It's no worse than the seasonal flu.
4. Masks don't help.
5. HCQ is an effective treatment.
6. The BLM protests increased transmission of the virus.
7. Increases in positive tests are the result of more testing.
8. Herd immunity can be achieved by letting the virus spread.
9. Vaccines will be unsafe.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...YQ6XJQOTYJNEKHJh-Q_yrs1thvGku_573kZ1uJRMEqy44

 

[Cookster15]

Nine COVID myths:

1. SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab.
2. Wealthy elites like Bill Gates intentionally spread the virus to profit from it.
3. It's no worse than the seasonal flu.
4. Masks don't help.
5. HCQ is an effective treatment.
6. The BLM protests increased transmission of the virus.
7. Increases in positive tests are the result of more testing.
8. Herd immunity can be achieved by letting the virus spread.
9. Vaccines will be unsafe.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...YQ6XJQOTYJNEKHJh-Q_yrs1thvGku_573kZ1uJRMEqy44

Thanks, agree with all except you can't possibly be sure on the BLM protests. All those people mingling closely? If the virus didn't spread from any BLM protest then it was simply good luck. When everyone else was in lockdown it was very poor form.

 

[Merckx index]

Thanks, agree with all except you can't possibly be sure on the BLM protests. All those people mingling closely? If the virus didn't spread from any BLM protest then it was simply good luck. When everyone else was in lockdown it was very poor form.

Yeah, I was going to comment on that. Correlation can show that most of the spike in various locales was not due to the protests, but of course it would be absurd to claim there was no transmission of virus during those mass gatherings. In fact, the spike, from other causes, probably obscured transmission during the protests. If we had lowered the daily new cases to the levels some countries have reported, the protests probably would have had an obvious effect. I remember S. Korea traced 29 new cases to someone in a bar. That was obvious to them, because it came at a time when there were virtually no new cases. That kind of spike would go unnoticed in a large American hotspot city like Miami, Houston, Phoenix, or LA.

 

[Jagartrott]

From an old friend's fb post:
Here are the data (from Johns Hopkins) comparing a few countries for the past week:
New Zealand: 73 new cases, 0 deaths
South Korea: 1,101 new cases, 1 death
Australia: 2,060 new cases, 107 deaths
Italy: 3,410 new cases, 191 deaths
United Kingdom: 7,672 new cases, 73 deaths
Germany: 8,192 new cases, 33 deaths
France: 17,184 new cases, 107 deaths
United States: 343,925 new cases, 7,034 deaths

If correct, why are there so many deaths in Italy currently?

 

[hrotha]

The headlines of some of the articles posted here recently are wildly irresponsible and, it seems to me, a blatant misrepresentation of the actual contents.

 

[Chris Gadsden]

Thanks, agree with all except you can't possibly be sure on the BLM protests. All those people mingling closely? If the virus didn't spread from any BLM protest then it was simply good luck. When everyone else was in lockdown it was very poor form.

Clearly the virus is smart enough to know which political rally’s to attack and which to stay away from.

 

[hrotha]

Half a year in and some folks still don't grasp the difference between outdoors and indoors.

 

[jmdirt]

The headlines of some of the articles posted here recently are wildly irresponsible and, it seems to me, a blatant misrepresentation of the actual contents.

When you get a minute, can you expand your thoughts on both of these posts?
Irresponsible on whose part? If the article has solid info does it matter if the headline is a bit sensational to grab your attention?

What differences? Air movement, UV, etc? I prefer outside to in even with no C19.

Maybe I missed a few of the articles that you are referring to because for the first time I have ignored members. I don't want it to just be an echo chamber of same thought, but I'm not interested in flat earth silliness either.

 

[Nomad]

If this were true the all-cause mortality figures should be much lower for the next 6 months to compensate for people dying in March-July instead of later due to natural causes. So far, that is not the trend. Maybe something is lost in translation, but that is an awfully definitive assertion to make about the people who died. COVID-19 definitely took out a lot of people with poor health, but people with failing health can live for years with their conditions.

I don't follow you - German ONS (Statisches Bundesamt) has now released overall deaths over the last 5 yrs over a 6 month time period from Jan 1 thru Jul 19:

Statistischer Bericht - Sterbefälle nach Tagen, Wochen und Monaten - 2020 bis 2024

Dieser Statistische Bericht enthält Sterbefallzahlen nach Tagen, Kalenderwochen und Monaten seit dem 01. Januar 2020. Die Auswertung für die Jahre 2020 bis 2022 basiert dabei auf den endgültigen plausibilisierten Daten dieser Berichtsjahre. Daten ab dem 1. Januar 2023 sind vorläufig - hierbei...

www.destatis.de

2020 - 526,764
2019 - 520,011
2018 - 546,008
2017 - 531,597
2016 - 504,747

2020 deaths for the first 6 months are only higher than 2019 & 2016 with 2018 recording 19,243 more deaths than 2020.

It appears that people are dying with and not of the virus.

 

[Chris Gadsden]

Half a year in and some folks still don't grasp the difference between outdoors and indoors.

Half a year in and some folks still believe everything they read. 1). It's a published article on the interwebz, 2). Therefore it must be true.

 

[Chris Gadsden]

I don't want it to just be an echo chamber of same thought

Smh. This is great.

 

[movingtarget]

If correct, why are there so many deaths in Italy currently?

Maybe like Australia most of the deaths are in nursing homes ?

 

[Nomad]

I am not sure if the media cited him wrong or if his findings are not representative for the situation in Germany. Yesterday the German society of pathology held a press conference and said that in more than 75% of the cases the corona virus was the main or sole reason for death. You can find their summary (in german) here: press kitt

I don't think the media has cited him wrong. Here's an interview with Püschel on German television:

View: https://youtu.be/8uqbg_lmqnI


He's clear in saying that the fear of the virus is exaggerated and is a completely harmless disease. He goes on to say that 100 cases have been autopsied in Hamburg "and each one had serious pre-existing conditions." (these deceased were between 50 & 100 yrs old with an average age of 80).

 

[Chris Gadsden]

It appears that people are dying with and not of the virus.

You can't say that here.

 

[Chris Gadsden]

I don't follow you - German ONS (Statisches Bundesamt) has now released overall deaths over the last 5 yrs over a 6 month time period from Jan 1 thru Jul 19:

Statistischer Bericht - Sterbefälle nach Tagen, Wochen und Monaten - 2020 bis 2024

Dieser Statistische Bericht enthält Sterbefallzahlen nach Tagen, Kalenderwochen und Monaten seit dem 01. Januar 2020. Die Auswertung für die Jahre 2020 bis 2022 basiert dabei auf den endgültigen plausibilisierten Daten dieser Berichtsjahre. Daten ab dem 1. Januar 2023 sind vorläufig - hierbei...

www.destatis.de

2020 - 526,764
2019 - 520,011
2018 - 546,008
2017 - 531,597
2016 - 504,747

2020 deaths for the first 6 months are only higher than 2019 & 2016 with 2018 recording 19,243 more deaths than 2020.

It appears that people are dying with and not of the virus.

Interesting CDC page. Scroll down to the bottom of the page to 'Options' and you can look at different graphs based on predicted death thresholds and excess deaths due to the pandemic. At least in the USA it sure appears as if more people are dying than what would be considered "normal or "expected."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

[Unchained]

Clearly the virus is smart enough to know which political rally’s to attack and which to stay away from.

This has always been clear,that is the clear problem in the United States. Groups are a problem..not specific groups,so if you love Harley and have a mass assembly in Sturgus ,that is a problem, you feel like fighting racism is your calling,cool,just got to battle wo being an unmasked mob, and if you love Jesus, hallelujah! But you can't count on divine intervention for Covid,it doesn't work.
American exceptionalism proves out over and over and over again. We are special,but for all the wrong reasons,focusing on the color of the job at a mega church or BLM rally,it's not important. No big groups from college students to fanatics..no big groups. Why does America have to reinvent the wheel and fall under it in process?
The combination of our pride and density is astounding..we have done everything different with disastrous results..our lock down,wasn't,instead reclassification of teenagers working at grocery stores and burger places as "essential workers" . We left open more than 50% of the economy and have suffered. Now Trump is trying to pull the same thing w teachers,seeing that hard work is,hard work,he wants to change teacher status to fit his agenda rather than science..classifying teachers as essential workers,ok..I can see the logic,doing it so they can disregard health standards is F-ing stupid.

 

[Unchained]

Should teachers be considered essential workers?

In the U.S., teachers have not been treated as frontline workers in the fight against the coronavirus. But as schools look to reopen and the pandemic continues, should teachers be considered essential workers?

news.yahoo.com

 

[Unchained]

And just like the dead people who cut up pork chops and bacon..people have died in the US making hot dogs because of a government mandated showdown between the poorest workers vs big companies..essential should be essential,not nail salon or car wash employees..

 

[djpbaltimore]

It appears that people are dying with and not of the virus.

Then why have 200,000 people in America died above the normal expected amount in places and timing that coincided with the outbreaks of the virus?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html
Those stats show that Germany did better than I realized. Congratulations.

He's clear in saying that the fear of the virus is exaggerated and is a completely harmless disease. He goes on to say that 100 cases have been autopsied in Hamburg "and each one had serious pre-existing conditions." (these deceased were between 50 & 100 yrs old with an average age of 80).

My point is that he can't say with any certainty that every single person who he autopsied would die within a year. Nor would it be appropriate to extrapolate those findings to all other infections. He can call the virus whatever he wants, but calling it completely harmless makes him look like a lunatic IMO.

 

[Chris Gadsden]

classifying teachers as essential workers,ok..I can see the logic,doing it so they can disregard health standards is F-ing stupid

And in your next breath you will argue teachers being classified as essential workers equals teachers being forced back to work. Maybe brush up on the benefits to teachers being classified as essential for those who choose to go back to open schools (which I think is in and of itself a poor decision).

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/...l_Infrastructure_Workers_FINAL AUG 18v2_0.pdf

 

[Chris Gadsden]

And just like the dead people who cut up pork chops and bacon..people have died in the US making hot dogs because of a government mandated showdown between the poorest workers vs big companies..essential should be essential,not nail salon or car wash employees..

Lousy post.

Nobody has a gun to their head forcing them to go make hot dogs. It's actually almost the opposite. Nail salon workers who want to go back to work are threatened by the government not to.

One other highly predictable outcome:

Several hospital workers and their union filed a lawsuit Thursday against the nation’s largest health-care chain, alleging the company and one of its Southern California hospitals failed to protect employees, patients and the community against the novel coronavirus.

The lawsuit accuses HCA Healthcare and Riverside Community Hospital of creating a public nuisance “through knowing and reckless acts and omissions” that increased the risk of coronavirus infection and led to two employees’ deaths.
The case, filed in Superior Court of the State of California, is the first that attempts to hold a national hospital company legally responsible for allegedly inadequate protective gear and for policies requiring employees to work while infected, according to the Service Employees International Union, which initiated the suit.


The first few of tens of thousands, no doubt. Gotta love tort lawyers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...c9f74e-e31f-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html

 

[Chris Gadsden]

July 23, 2020 new COVID cases in France eclipsed the 1,000 per day mark. Yesterday the new case for the day total was 4,774.

At the peak of their outbreak in late March/early April they were in the low-to-mid 5,000's.

I'm wondering how the TdF will be impacted.

 

[yaco]

At this stage the TDF will probably not be impacted because Europe has decided to live with the virus - The only way the TDF will be impacted is if the hospital system is over-run which is not happening at this stage.