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What a leader acts and talks like, and what's equally important is he explains his position,you don't need to agree, he could be wrong..but he explains it..@10 months in and Trump given zip,nada, nothing for an explanation..
And before you start.. "Some people are saying"" lots of people I know "..not an explanation..nowhere close
 
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Which is true of all pharmaceuticals. You never know until the distribution is wide. Clinical trials can identify the obvious issues, but rare events can slip through. Thalidomide right a bell? Or Vioxx more recently?

What we do know is that the safety of covid is pretty f###### awful. My dad is now in the hospital for the covid he got in assisted living. Symptoms are not currently severe and we are fortunate that the infection was caught early and that he is getting remdesivir. But, this was all so avoidable except for the selfish attitudes of so many people. You can argue about protecting the vulnerable, but you are living in a fantasy if you think that is happening in this country.
"Coronavirus vaccine: Pfizer given protection from legal action by the UK government:"


"The Department of Health and Social Care has confirmed the company has been given an indemnity protecting it from legal action as a result of any problems with the vaccine."

"In a press conference with journalists on Wednesday, Ben Osborn, Pfizer's UK managing director, refused to explain why the company needed an indemnity."

"He said: "We're not actually disclosing any of the details around any of the aspects of that agreement and specifically the liability clauses."


With statements like this it's no wonder some people will refuse to take the vaccines. But of course, these people will be labeled as "anti-vaxxers" and will be accused of not "stepping up to the plate" and doing their part.
That won't be the label people get for refusing vaccines with 95% efficacy. Darwin award candidates is a better one.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterRMacIsaac/status/1334678456903327747


Bhakdi was only given about 3 mins on the Fox News segment with Ingraham. This goes into more detail.

So far, all his videos on YouTube haven't been banned with the exception of one (his emotional condemnation of masks forced on children & old people).

However, I predict he'll become a prime target of the vaccine manufacturers & MSM as the vaccines start rolling out.
Honestly, no one gives a $### who this grifter is. Least of all multinational pharmaceutical companies or the media.

Also, the vaccine he is talking about are not the ones about to roll out.
 
I just peeeed myself..Moscow Mitch and his other elephant riding minions argued,heated,life or death arguments about liability protection during the first round of Covid relief funds. At first it was the issue,but as things deteriorated, getting cash out in the economy,became paramount vs a political prize for legal protection for misdeeds,intentional or otherwise

Not the same but thankfully urine is sterile so you should be just fine.
 
The climate crisis is still raging. A year ago, news headlines were dominated by the climate youth movement and a sense of urgency. But COVID-19 has displaced that interest and awareness. In fact, the causes of both crises share commonalities, and their effects are converging. The climate emergency and COVID-19, a zoonotic disease, are both borne of human activity that has led to environmental degradation. Neither the climate emergency nor a zoonotic pandemic were unexpected. Both have led to the preventable loss of lives through actions that are delayed, insufficient, or mistaken. However, aligning responses presents an opportunity to improve public health, create a sustainable economic future, and better protect the planet's remaining natural resources and biodiversity.
That health and climate change are interwoven is widely accepted, with extensive evidence of their interactions. For the past 5 years, the Lancet Countdown on Health and Climate Change has monitored and reported more than 40 global indicators that measure the impact of our changing climate on health. The newly published 2020 report includes novel indicators on heat-related mortality, migration and population displacement, urban green spaces, low-carbon diets, and the economic costs of labour capacity loss due to extreme heat. The breadth of the indicators has deepened scientific understanding of how climate affects health and puts stress on health systems. This is manifested in, for example, the health effects of air pollution leading to asthma, challenges to global food security and reduced crop yield potentially leading to poor diets, limited access to green space increasing risk factors for mental health conditions, and vulnerability to heat in people older than 65 years. Treating these resultant health conditions effectively depends on health systems' capacity, which is in turn dependent on the resilience of health services that are increasingly stretched in response to the two crises.


Clarity.... Except it’s really one crisis with some sub-crises so the disingenuousness is rather subtle but still very much present. Full steam ahead, we are never going back.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/...0)32579-4/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email
 
Never going back to what?
A world with improved public health, sustainable economy, better protection of natural resources and biodiversity does sound horrible.

Naivete isn’t only for those who don’t get it.

As the great philosopher and current Duke of Sussex recently said, “Somebody said to me at the beginning of the pandemic, it’s almost as though Mother Nature has sent us to our rooms for bad behavior to really take a moment and think about what we’ve done.”

Hear hear.
 
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Check out what the "follow the science" people are doing in San Francisco. These are the people who accuse you of not being scientific

Check out what the selfish, I'm-the-center-of-the-universe-all-that-matters-is-me-me-me people are doing and saying now. That government is using the pandemic to become more totalitarian? Really? Then why were people told not to wear masks back in April? Was the government infringing on people's freedom to wear a mask? Which is more likely to cause health problems, wearing a mask, or taking HCQ? Why do many of the same people who refuse to wear a mask want to take HCQ? Why do they want the government to become more proactive in pushing HCQ, but less proactive in pushing masks?

If Fauci were an elected official many on this very thread would be calling for his prosecution. The syndrome is still driving many here.

Whether Fauci is elected or appointed doesn't affect how people feel about him. He certainly hasn't done anything that justifies prosecution. Criticism, yes.

Frisco is immune. Pelosi and Newsom are there so it’s ok.

At least they're not spending most of the day tweeting batsh!t crazy conspiracy theories.
 
At least they're not spending most of the day tweeting batsh!t crazy conspiracy theories.

Nope. Far worse is tin-horn dictator Newsom issuing unconstitutional edicts. Southern California -by tomorrow- will be stay at home for 3 weeks or until he decides otherwise.

Lose your business, lose your employees and both lose everything? So what. I mean unless you own French Laundry in the wine country.

Thousands of California restaurants close permanentlyState fails to respond to calls for aid

  • Before the pandemic, 1.4 million Californians worked in restaurants. Since March, between 900,000 to 1 million of these workers have either been laid off or furloughed – and many continue to wait on an unemployment payment that never comes.
  • 60% of California restaurants are owned by people of color, and 50% of California restaurants are owned or partly-owned by women.
https://www.calrest.org/news/thousands-california-restaurants-close-permanently

I guess this is how we sustain the economy, improve public health, and better protect natural resources. At least we finally solved the homeless crisis. I mean, once everybody in California is homeless then no one will be.
 
Nope. Far worse is tin-horn dictator Newsom issuing unconstitutional edicts. Southern California -by tomorrow- will be stay at home for 3 weeks or until he decides otherwise.

Lose your business, lose your employees and both lose everything? So what. I mean unless you own French Laundry in the wine country.

Thousands of California restaurants close permanentlyState fails to respond to calls for aid

  • Before the pandemic, 1.4 million Californians worked in restaurants. Since March, between 900,000 to 1 million of these workers have either been laid off or furloughed – and many continue to wait on an unemployment payment that never comes.
  • 60% of California restaurants are owned by people of color, and 50% of California restaurants are owned or partly-owned by women.
https://www.calrest.org/news/thousands-california-restaurants-close-permanently

I guess this is how we sustain the economy, improve public health, and better protect natural resources. At least we finally solved the homeless crisis. I mean, once everybody in California is homeless then no one will be.
this does have some truth..California should have been the second place Trump visited on week one..NYC would have been first just from the Covid deaths,cases and hospitalization rates..heck he could have done an awkward paper towel toss to suffering citizens..


The federal government doesn't understand government..not even the basics..they should be dispatching a FEMA bus caravan to the 10 biggest economies in the US and asking anybody and everybody..what can we do to help you? What can we do to keep your business..your restaurant open.
Had Trump told the truth..
The virus only has 15 cases..
The virus is fake
The virus is under control
There is national testing for everyone who wants one..
If anything he said was true..restaurants..nation wide..and California restaurants would all be in a very very different position..
We have come full circle again..or as some would say running in circles..
The question is not if Trump lied..that is established fact..
The question is what damage has it done,irreparable damage to the United States
 
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Why would the federal government not be in helicopters flying everywhere trying to help small businesses?
this has to be fake


These stories are like legal Lilly pads leading back to Team Trump saying that no financial oversight was needed for the aid..ala tax cuts will lead to jpbs,better wages..no need to specifically say stock buy backs and bonus checks are forbidden..
Now the Covid aid cash isn't spent and Steve Munchkin wants what still left..returned..
 
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How could a person running a business,effected by Covid 19 making the floor drop out of their world,their lives..how could they not be getting money that is available..money that was specifically set aside to help..how can that happen?
 
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From your article;

There are 3.9 million small businesses in California, making up 99.8% of the state's businesses.

Those companies employ nearly 50% of the state's workforce.



This was 2019. This is 2020. Difference? Do as I say not as I do leadership.

Currently, more than 94 percent of California’s population is now living in counties that are in the state’s most restrictive reopening tier (purple), which mandates significant closures of businesses.

That’s 94 out of every 100 Californians living under the draconian Newsom fiefdom.

The unfortunate revisiting of the potential need for mandated closures and movement restrictions is sparking more dissent. The current trajectory, which is quite common for viruses like the flu and coronaviruses in the Fall and Winter months makes it difficult to imagine the U.S. economic recovery getting back on track and heading closer to normal any time soon.

There are 10 million people currently unemployed who were employed in February of this year. And this number is going to go higher over the next month or two. We are already seeing an increase in unemployment insurance claims at both the national and state levels. Consequently, a weakening labor market is already occurring.


In May the unemployment rate was about 16.5%. By October it had fallen to 9.3%. But mask shaming and piss poor leadership has once again reared it’s ugly head. Anybody care to guess what CA’s unemployment will be for December? I mean other than the workers at French Laundry restaurant, CADE or PlumpJack Wineries.
 
Nope. Far worse is tin-horn dictator Newsom issuing unconstitutional edicts. Southern California -by tomorrow- will be stay at home for 3 weeks or until he decides otherwise.

Lose your business, lose your employees and both lose everything? So what. I mean unless you own French Laundry in the wine country.

Thousands of California restaurants close permanentlyState fails to respond to calls for aid

  • Before the pandemic, 1.4 million Californians worked in restaurants. Since March, between 900,000 to 1 million of these workers have either been laid off or furloughed – and many continue to wait on an unemployment payment that never comes.
  • 60% of California restaurants are owned by people of color, and 50% of California restaurants are owned or partly-owned by women.
https://www.calrest.org/news/thousands-california-restaurants-close-permanently

I guess this is how we sustain the economy, improve public health, and better protect natural resources. At least we finally solved the homeless crisis. I mean, once everybody in California is homeless then no one will be.

What is your proposed set of policies to tackle this?
When your hospitals are near capacity, you have to do something. We know that bars and restaurants are major infection hubs. The course of action seems straightforward then: you close these for a while. Of course, you then need to support the affected businesses and employees. But that's state aid, and isn't that some kind of socialism then? Many countries choose that path anyway, and this avoids many immediate problems. For comparison, in Flanders, unemployment is currently 6.1% vs. 5.7% last year in November. It means though the partial lockdowns are tough for many people, at least financially, you are sheltered from the worst.

I agree that politicians should adhere to "do as I do", of course. That's common decency. But emergency measures have been taken around the world. Surely you want to avoid hospitals at full capacity that have to refuse people requiring urgent aid? Because there's more than covid. I've heard that in Belgium, 5000 less cancer cases have been detected than in an average year. It's not that they're not there, of course, but merely that hospitals and doctors have been pre-occupied with covid and people are more hesitant to visit doctor/hospital.
 
Newsom knows where his money comes from.

California's elected leaders have prohibited restauranteurs from operating outdoor dining services. While pandemic-inspired dictates have forced restaurants to close to indoor dining, outdoor dining was permitted.

Now, it isn't, sort of. If you have a restaurant and you want to serve people food outdoors, that's prohibited. But if you are running a movie studio and want to serve people food outdoors, that's perfectly fine.

A Los Angeles restaurant owner and small-businesswoman of the Pineapple Hill Grill and Saloon took video footage of just how incredibly absurd these guidelines are.

"I'm losing everything," she said, "everything I own is being taken away from me. And they set up a movie company right next to my outdoor patio."

“And people wonder why I am protesting, and why I have had enough. They have not given us money and they have shut us down. We cannot survive. My staff cannot survive."

Her restaurant has tents set up for outdoor dining, and under new rules from Mayor Eric Garcetti, she has to shut it down. In the parking lot as her restaurant tents are set up is an outdoor food services table for a film production.

She points to her outdoor patio, saying, "tell me that this is dangerous, but right next to me is a slap in my face." She pointed to the movie studio's tents, a mere fifty feet away.

Tears stream down her face as she shows the blatant, nonsensical, hypocritical nature of the restrictions that would force her out of business over public health concerns, while claiming that film production is too essential to be forced to close over those very same public health concerns.

"Mayor Garcetti and Gavin Newsom [are] responsible for every single person that does not have unemployment, that does not have a job, and all the businesses that are going under. And we need your help. We need someone to do something about this.



But hospitals... overrun... ICU beds... apparently COVID knows where and when to strike. Smartest virus evah.

https://thepostmillennial.com/resta...ayor-in-video-all-of-america-needs-to-see-now
 
Yep. Keep everyone “safe” from Covid (a failure) by killing the tax base (a success). Smart.

In the absence of sufficient federal support, mayors turned to local financial support and regulatory relief to support their small businesses: Two-thirds of mayors fear non-white small business owners will feel a lot of economic harm into next summer, while half believe the same to be the case for white small business owners. In response to an open-ended question about ways to protect vulnerable small businesses, mayors most often discussed the creation
of new grants (36 percent) and loans (28 percent), along with regulatory relief (30 percent). Nearly all mayors (92 percent) created additional outdoor dining space to enable these types of establishments to continue to operate safely.
Mayors are most worried about the long-term economic impact on minority residents and renters, and are most pessimistic about the education, transportation, and arts and culture sectors returning to normal: Roughly, two in three mayors said that Latinos, renters, immigrants, and Black residents would still be feeling at least “a lot” of economic harm next summer, while far smaller proportions worried about homeowners (25 percent.) Half of mayors think it will not be until after next year (2021) that arts and culture “returns to normal.” More than 40 percent say the same about public schools, colleges and universities, and mass transit. In contrast, majorities of mayors say that real estate and banking and lending have either already returned to normal or will do so by the end of this year.
Mayors are worried about dramatic budget cuts to schools: In spite of the unprecedented adverse impact COVID-19 has had — and continues to have — on K-12 learning throughout the country, 45 percent of mayors expect to make
or see “dramatic” cuts to school budgets. Thirty-eight percent expect dramatic cuts to parks and recreation funding, while approximately one in three mayors expect dramatic cuts to transit, roads, and social services.
However, the financial consequences of the pandemic have not been universally felt — at least as of summer 2020 when mayors were interviewed. Roughly, 30 percent of mayors could not name any area where they anticipate dramatic cuts.
Mayors expect COVID-19 to permanently change some resident behaviors like working from home and shopping at stores: 90 percent of mayors say that after a vaccine is available, their residents will still work from home more than they did before COVID-19. Three in four say the same about visiting parks, and two in three say it about walking. On the other hand, more than half expect long-term negative effects on how often their residents go to public events like concerts and shop at stores relative to pre-COVID-19 levels. Sixty percent of mayors agree that downtown office buildings will become “less desirable.”
Mayors as a group mix optimism and pessimism when thinking about the future of American cities: Over
80 percent of mayors expect racial health disparities to widen in the future — they do not expect the attention COVID-19 is bringing to the issues to lead to progress. They are also pessimistic about small businesses. Just 36 percent expect that small businesses that close due to the COVID-19 economy will be quickly replaced by new ones — signaling the possibility of a dramatic upheaval to the local small business landscape.
On the other hand, over 70 percent of mayors believe that cities will offer more opportunities to more people in the future. In contrast to their views on racial health disparities, a majority disagrees that the racial wealth gap will widen.
Mayors do see the potential for long-term improvement in cities coming out of 2020, and are especially focused on economic impacts: 48 percent of mayors talked about the ways that 2020 will “transform” their cities using positive language more consistent with seeing opportunities coming out of struggle. Only 14 percent described 2020’s long-term impact as a threat that would transform their cities for the worse. Forty-five percent mentioned the impact of COVID on the economy when discussing long-term positive or negative transformation. One in three mentioned race and policing.

http://www.bu.edu/ioc/files/2020/12/Final_2020-Menino-Survey_COVID-Report.pdf
 
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Chris over and over you draw back your how and aim for the obvious and predictable conservative target..your shot makes a 90 or 180 and goes into oblivion..protecting people is not a Covid only endeavour..the people doing the work, the experts are telling us that,explicitly. Doctors,Nurses and hospital administrators..saying the same thing over and over..it's about flu, heart attack, accidents..they can't, are begging not to clog hospital capacity w an obviously avoidable Covid crush..
And your loony lean that there are some simply left monolithic mob, that wildly swings from crisis flavor of the week is numb..so yes George Floyd,climate change,domestic violence, poverty, hunger, single use plastic products, war or famine caused migration..the list of bad schit is long,deep and complicated..all issues need attention..
So big picture,we do use fossil fuel to power ambulances and hospitals, ideal? No but we are in a war were the commander told 50 individual states to amass there own,troops ,weapons and battle plan,often in his bathrobe or from the seat of a golf cart..while playing golf..
California is far too important,too big to let fail..only an American idiot would think so or allow some tight fitting partisan hat to choke off logical thinking..
So if so many months ago, you put all your eggs in one basket based on..the vaccine is weeks away..the virus is under control, it will go away when the sun comes out, or that Malaria meds and zinc cure it..any of that BS..I understand,completely the denial folks are going through..as they struggle to understand
 
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