
Did they have to die? How America's Covid response left 3,000 health workers dead
Dire PPE shortages. Limited Covid tests. Political negligence. A Guardian/KHN investigation reveals what went wrong
Your last line is key, if he wanted other/different things, why wait until the bill is done? Simple answer, he doesn't want to help us. Unfortunately, his cult followers will not recognize his transparent demand for $1,200 for each person isn't really what he wants.Years ago, the top marginal tax rate was 91%. Yes, let's make America Great Again.
Gross exaggeration. I'm not belittling the hit the restaurant industry has taken, but the great majority of them have not gone out of business. I'm all for helping the restaurant industry, but why not give the money directly to them? In fact, in places where restaurants are closed, the tax break won't help immediately. Why not give the money in a way that it does help immediately?
If you get a huge discount in the price via taxes, then a major portion of the meal is effectively free. I don't have detailed data, but from my relatively rare occasions dining out, I have found that with a few exceptions, most restaurants serve food that has far more fat/oil, salt and protein than is healthy. Even a pure vegetable dish is something i would never prepare at home. That's one reason I rarely eat in restaurants. Very few people in my experience are willing to make the effort to eat to live, as opposed to living to eat. Maybe Nomad could weigh in on this, since he's insisting that better health is an important part of the response to C19.
I also call total, 100% BS to the notion that you have to dine with someone to develop a good business relationship with them.
He's already vetoed the Defense bill, apparently because it doesn't include something that AFAIK has nothing to do with defense. There are enough votes from his own party to override the veto, but if he follows through on his threat to veto the stimulus, I'm not at all sure that the bill can be saved.
I actually agree with many of Trump's criticisms of the stimulus bill, certainly that $600 to individuals isn't enough. But half a loaf--or in this case, maybe a couple of slices of bread--is better than nothing, and after seeing how long and difficult it was for Congress even to agree on this bill, it looks like all or nothing. It should also be pointed out that his point man Mnuchin was in on the negotiations, so it's not as though Trump was blind-sided by the final bill.
CDC is projecting 419k by mid January.
Your last line is key, if he wanted other/different things, why wait until the bill is done? Simple answer, he doesn't want to help us. Unfortunately, his cult followers will not recognize his transparent demand for $1,200 for each person isn't really what he wants.
I think most of the Pfizer doses went to health care due to the cold chain issues. The pace will pick up but even after they get it, initial immunity takes a week or so. Deaths lag by 3-4 weeks, so 3k a day through January sounds plausible. Anecdotally, it seems people are being less careful for Xmas than thanksgiving. The good thing is a lot of people will be off work, lessening the spread a little.Yeah, I see I have been too optimistic. I thought a lot of NH residents were already vaccinated by now, but apparently not. And even if they were, the protection would not be seen until well into January.
Gyms are open here, so I don't get the critique. Exercise classes are restricted for good reason. We know that they have caused superspreader events. But we are not following the science. If we were, restaurants would be closed. Fewer bad faith 'follow the science' arguments from you guys would be appreciated. Maybe a new years resolution?Are Governments following the science?
New Colorado study claims no link between gym attendance and COVID-19 infections
https://theknow.denverpost.com/2020...ost&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social
Also, asymptomatic and pre-sympyomatic spread of Covid is statistically 0%. According to the study it isn’t happening.
https://alachuachronicle.com/university-of-florida-researchers-find-no-asymptomatic-spread/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102
How about this one:
“Do-Not-Resuscitate (DNR)” Status Determines Mortality in Patients with COVID-19
This is a retrospective, observational cohort study of all patients admitted to two New Jersey hospitals between March 15 and May 15, 2020 who had, or developed, COVID-19 (1270 patients). Of these, 640 patients died (570 (89.1 percent) with and 70 (10.9 percent) without a DNR order at the time of admission) and 630 survived (180 (28.6 percent) with and 450 (71.4 percent) without a DNR order when admitted). Among the 120 patients without COVID-19 who died during this interval, 110 (91.7 percent) had a DNR order when admitted.
Conclusion
The risk of death from COVID-19 was significantly influenced by the patients’ DNR status.
https://www.cidjournal.com/article/S0738-081X(20)30231-5/fulltext
Then there’s this;
It Is Long Past Time for the CDC and NCHS to Clean Up the COVID-19 Death Counts
https://pjmedia.com/columns/stacey-...o-clean-up-the-covid-19-death-counts-n1227508
Gyms are open here, so I don't get the critique. Exercise classes are restricted for good reason. We know that they have caused superspreader events. But we are not following the science. If we were, restaurants would be closed. Fewer bad faith 'follow the science' arguments from you guys would be appreciated. Maybe a new years resolution?
I agree that we should state the true mortality for covid. It is way higher than the reported numbers based on excess mortality stats.
Why are you complaining about gyms closing in the covid epicenter? As I mentioned, that is not the norm. Desperate times breed desperate measures.“Gyms in counties in a region that is impacted by the order must stop indoor operations," California's website states.
Other than it’s well past time for our government(s) to start telling the truth about covid deaths, what does this mean to you;
In this cohort of patients with COVID-19, a DNR order was found to be a significant predictor of mortality, a finding that persisted after adjustment for other important clinical factors. The increased mortality in DNR patients may have resulted from unmeasured severity of illness, transition to comfort care in accordance with a patient's wishes, or failure to offer more aggressive care, such as a respirator, to patients with a DNR order. DNR status should be evaluated in COVID-19 epidemiologic studies to further understand mortality in this pandemic.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7698831/
Imo, people have been cheating here for months and have largely gotten away with it. Each time you cheat and nothing happens relaxes the inhibition. The thing about risky behavior is that bad things don't happen every time. Drunk driving is an example. For me, the thought of infecting family members or essential workers was the deciding factor in staying home for the week instead of traveling. Weather will be better in a few months anyway.It is absolutely bewildering to me that people aren't willing to more or less skip one (1) unit of Christmas with vaccination just around the corner. Like officers merrily charging machine gun nests in the last few hours before the November armistice.
so let me get this straight,Trump siding with the Democrats and demanding $2 grand instead of $600 bucks,and Trumps party poised to vote against him, override his absolute demand is the fault of Nancy Pelosi? Huh? No matter what party,both far,far more similar than different,a few Covid constants remain, first and foremost, messaging..the results of intentionally confusing the public have been an absolute catastrophe.Thus, of course, would explain why Pelosi turned down - months earlier - a 2nd Covid relief package of $1.9 Trillion offered by the administration. She turned it down for the reason of electioneering.
And you speak of cult followers...
Uh, dt didn't side with the dems, he torpedoed the bill. He doesn't want payments to go out to people, and the best way to do that was to kill the bill after it was done. He could have said "no payments to individuals", but wanted to look like a hero by saying "$2,000 payments", both have the same effect...no payment to people who need money to survive.so let me get this straight,Trump siding with the Democrats and demanding $2 grand instead of $600 bucks,and Trumps party poised to vote against him, override his absolute demand is the fault of Nancy Pelosi? Huh? No matter what party,both far,far more similar than different,a few Covid constants remain, first and foremost, messaging..the results of intentionally confusing the public have been an absolute catastrophe.
Non centralized health coordination, utter disaster.
economic denial of everything,employment based health care,number of gig workers in the economy and the overall facade of strength,which was completely washed away early,people unable to get food,pay rent and making life and death decisions because of an ultra state of economic fragility.
stimulus package based on dumb..$1200+600 = 1800 for 10 months..dumb..especially in a country where 2 thirds of the economy is based on consumer spending.
Research was becoming clearer and clearer..blacks,Latinos and native Americans at way way more risk than everyone else..but the government response was scatter shot rather than laser focused,and the results have been ugly and obvious,mass swaths of Caucasians revolting to the point of absolute denial that the virus was real.I
And now people looking at pork barrel spending on pet political projects as an aberration instead of standard practice..
Our nurses,doctors and hospital officials saying that they are running at redline..but the leaders of the country listening to stories about Hugo Chavez and prioritize pardons and voting machine confiscation instead of public health and people's lives..
* Nancy Pelosi is not queen,she doesn't do anything,especially pass legislation of any kind single handedly. This pop goes the weasel negotiating style has not worked anywhere,with anybody, N.Koreans,Mexicans,Greenland,European union, China,and it's pretty pathetic that on Christmas week Trump can't find time to take part in critical American stimulus package negotiations..
This is people's lives,it's not a game
asymptomatic and pre-sympyomatic spread of Covid is statistically 0%. According to the study it isn’t happening.
Nonetheless, an AR [attack rate] of 4.4% and 6.1% in asymptomatic and presymptomatic cases, respectively, is not negligible.
We believe these data, together with results of several other studies, suggest that SARS-CoV-2 infection provides strong immunity to reinfection that lasts for at least several months.
Uh, dt didn't side with the dems, he torpedoed the bill. He doesn't want payments to go out to people, and the best way to do that was to kill the bill after it was done. He could have said "no payments to individuals", but wanted to look like a hero by saying "$2,000 payments", both have the same effect...no payment to people who need money to survive.
Fauci has not had any meaningful influence since June. Scott Atlas is mostly responsible for the mess we are in. Fauci is largely responsible for the Moderna vaccine trials, so slightly more useful than most. But not without his own mistakes. Glad he will be taking a more prominent role in January.