Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

jmdirt · Mar 28, 2021

Koronin said:
I'll update on my second dose Thursday. I get it in the morning and then go do some work.

On that, I have read several people recently getting their second doses to make sure you drink water or gatorade or whatever to stay hydrated. It's supposed to help lesson any reactions you may have.

Its a good idea to always be hydrated!

EDIT: because I clearly can't type!

Tricycle Rider · Mar 28, 2021

jmdirt said:
I a good idea to always be hydrated!

Also depends on what you're hydrating on - Gatorade may not always be appropriate for non-athletes. But I do get the gist of the idea.

EDIT - Something like non-caffeinated herb-like teas might also do the job?

My issue with Gatorade and the like is they mess with your electrolytes, which athletes do need replacement of when they work out and sweat a lot. But for the usual couch potato Gatorade is not necessary.

But, use your judgment.

Keram · Mar 28, 2021

I should stop reading FB coment section below some articles because it drives me crazy

In country with more than one thousand deaths per milion since new year I cant understand how there are some children which say " I dont want to my parents be killed with experimental vaccine" or elderly people which have been jabbed probably dozen times in their life, now be against it " because I want to live I dont want that poison in my body" . Jesus christ. It will be hard with herd immunity. I am so glad that in my family and my close friends families there are mostly people which are want to be vaccinated or already are. With that study shown up the thred where in Israel nonvacinated 60+ age group is 98 % of severe cases I fewl sorry for every person over 60 which wont be vaccinated after we will resume kind of normality again.

Koronin · Mar 29, 2021

Keram said:
I should stop reading FB coment section below some articles because it drives me crazy In country with more than one thousand deaths per milion since new year I cant understand how there are some children which say " I dont want to my parents be killed with experimental vaccine" or elderly people which have been jabbed probably dozen times in their life, now be against it " because I want to live I dont want that poison in my body" . Jesus christ. It will be hard with herd immunity. I am so glad that in my family and my close friends families there are mostly people which are want to be vaccinated or already are. With that study shown up the thred where in Israel nonvacinated 60+ age group is 98 % of severe cases I fewl sorry for every person over 60 which wont be vaccinated after we will resume kind of normality again.

If the over 60 that aren't vaccinated by choice when we resume a semblance of normalcy don't feel bad for them. If they aren't due to reasons beyond their control and want to be vaccinated, then yes feel for them. Also it appears the new variants are worse for younger people than the original strain was.

jmdirt · Mar 29, 2021

Tricycle Rider said:
Also depends on what you're hydrating on - Gatorade may not always be appropriate for non-athletes. But I do get the gist of the idea.

EDIT - Something like non-caffeinated herb-like teas might also do the job?

My issue with Gatorade and the like is they mess with your electrolytes, which athletes do need replacement of when they work out and sweat a lot. But for the usual couch potato Gatorade is not necessary.

But, use your judgment.

I just use water!

movingtarget · Mar 29, 2021

First Covid jab cuts infection risk by 62% in England care home residents

People infected after having vaccine may also be less likely to transmit virus, initial findings show

www.theguardian.com

movingtarget · Mar 29, 2021

'I can't go on': women in Japan suffer isolation and despair amid Covid job losses

Suicide rates among Japanese women rose sharply during the pandemic, prompting calls for support for low-income households

www.theguardian.com

movingtarget · Mar 29, 2021

Most US Covid deaths ‘could have been mitigated’ after first 100,000, Birx says

Former coronavirus taskforce coordinator tells CNN deaths could have been prevented if Trump administration acted sooner

www.theguardian.com

djpbaltimore · Mar 29, 2021

movingtarget said:
Most US Covid deaths ‘could have been mitigated’ after first 100,000, Birx says

Former coronavirus taskforce coordinator tells CNN deaths could have been prevented if Trump administration acted sooner

www.theguardian.com

That was the big takeaway from the CNN documentary last night, but the other story that was running concurrently on the morning cable news on CNN was Redfield's claim about the origin of the virus from a lab. I can't know what the man was thinking, but it was asked why he would say something like that with no evidence and the aftermath suggests the most obvious reason. I think he said it because he thought it would be 'newsy' and distract from the copious amounts of error from his own organization and the federal response in general. Better to talk about Chinese labs than why the CDC completely f-ed up the development of the first diagnostic tests.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but the morning host Alyson Camerota actually started running with this allegation. Ever the useful idiot, her rationale was that the lab escape theory was more understandable to her and that the Chinese govt was acting suspicious in how they were overseeing the WHO investigation. The doctor they had on at the time was Jonathan Reiner who is generally informative, but more knowledgable on the medical side than the research side. He pushed back a little saying that it was possible but far from proven and that experts had determined that the virus was not lab created, which is not necessarily relevant. What was never mentioned was that expert virologists consider that the most likely transmission was from an intermediary host in nature. That is almost assuredly what the WHO report will determine too. Overall, just example number one million why cable news is such a cesspit. Whether the misinformation pumped out is out of spite or laziness is largely beyond the point.

I missed this segment posted below, but it is pure brain worms. I think this is the segment that incepted Camerota with the idea of lab accident before I started watching. Of course, Rogin's main claim is that Redfield has seen evidence that can't be released to the public. Very convenient. Who can you trust more than the guy who wrote.... <looks at notes>... "Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the 21st Century".

Should also be noted that the scientist is making a claim that runs counter to what he has said before for reasons that I can't ascertain.

But other scientists say that it’s not clear what evidence led the team to some of its conclusions. The findings don’t change the existing, widely held view that the virus originated in animals, Nikolai Petrovsky, an immunologist at Flinders University in Adelaide, told the Australian Science Media Centre.

Petrovsky says that the animal-transmission findings could hold an important lesson: “If this pandemic was due to a natural transmission event, then we can expect multiple further transmissions of similar, related coronaviruses from the same animal host to humans over coming years.”

COVID origin search must continue after WHO report, say scientists

Investigation team rules out idea that the coronavirus came from a laboratory leak, but offers two hypotheses popular in Chinese media.

www.nature.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1376517957656936449

View: https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1376517957656936449

jmdirt · Mar 29, 2021

djpbaltimore said:
That was the big takeaway from the CNN documentary last night, but the other story that was running concurrently on the morning cable news on CNN was Redfield's claim about the origin of the virus from a lab. I can't know what the man was thinking, but it was asked why he would say something like that with no evidence and the aftermath suggests the most obvious reason. I think he said it because he thought it would be 'newsy' and distract from the copious amounts of error from his own organization and the federal response in general. Better to talk about Chinese labs than why the CDC completely f-ed up the development of the first diagnostic tests.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but the morning host Alyson Camerota actually started running with this allegation. Ever the useful idiot, her rationale was that the lab escape theory was more understandable to her and that the Chinese govt was acting suspicious in how they were overseeing the WHO investigation. The doctor they had on at the time was Jonathan Reiner who is generally informative, but more knowledgable on the medical side than the research side. He pushed back a little saying that it was possible but far from proven and that experts had determined that the virus was not lab created, which is not necessarily relevant. What was never mentioned was that expert virologists consider that the most likely transmission was from an intermediary host in nature. That is almost assuredly what the WHO report will determine too. Overall, just example number one million why cable news is such a cesspit. Whether the misinformation pumped out is out of spite or laziness is largely beyond the point.

I missed this segment posted below, but it is pure brain worms. I think this is the segment that incepted Camerota with the idea of lab accident before I started watching. Of course, Rogin's main claim is that Redfield has seen evidence that can't be released to the public. Very convenient. Who can you trust more than the guy who wrote.... <looks at notes>... "Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the 21st Century".

Should also be noted that the scientist is making a claim that runs counter to what he has said before for reasons that I can't ascertain.

COVID origin search must continue after WHO report, say scientists

Investigation team rules out idea that the coronavirus came from a laboratory leak, but offers two hypotheses popular in Chinese media.

www.nature.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1376517957656936449
View: https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1376517957656936449

60 minutes from last night:

3/28/2021: What Happened in Wuhan?, Dynamic Robots, Kindred in the Bleachers

Finding the origin of the coronavirus; Then, robots of the future at Boston Dynamics; And, Dave Kindred goes back on the beat to cover high school girls basketball.

www.cbsnews.com

djpbaltimore · Mar 29, 2021

"No one on the team was formally trained on how to investigate a lab leak". From the 60 mins with Stahl. You can make a lot of critiques of the WHO investigation and I've mentioned many times that it was more for show than substance, but I honestly don't understand what that is even saying. I think the term 'formally' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that statement. But I give them credit for saying the most likely route is from the caves and wet markets.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1376314297559699457

View: https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1376314297559699457

This stuff is less defensible from the US NSC guy. Blasting this stuff out does nothing to help find answers. It really is pretty weak evidence as the lab actually isn't that close to the market. One could've made the same claims about the Reston, VA ebola virus outbreak. A little too close to USAMRIID, doncha think?

Jamie Metzl: We would have to ask the question, "Well, why in Wuhan?" To quote Humphrey Bogart, "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, why Wuhan?" What Wuhan does have is China's level four virology institute, with probably the world's largest collection of bat viruses, including bat coronaviruses.

Oldermanish · Mar 29, 2021

Koronin said:
I'll update on my second dose Thursday. I get it in the morning and then go do some work.

On that, I have read several people recently getting their second doses to make sure you drink water or gatorade or whatever to stay hydrated. It's supposed to help lesson any reactions you may have.

I get my #2 dose the same day! Hydration is definitely in the game as I'm hoping for mild or no symptoms. I won't be doing work...at all. Good luck with yours.

djpbaltimore · Mar 29, 2021

Big news. This basically confirms that the vaccines will lessen transmission of the virus in addition to protecting the individuals who get vaccinated. If you run into someone young or otherwise healthy who doesn't feel the need to get a shot for their own protection, this would be a good piece of information to provide them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1376552681255399424

View: https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1376552681255399424

Koronin · Mar 30, 2021

New real world study of the vaccines (mostly Pfizer and Moderna with a handful of people who got J&J). This study done in the US among health care workers, with a group that got one of the vaccines and a group that didn't get any vaccines.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-vaccine-found-highly-effective-153107514.html

Jagartrott · Mar 30, 2021

This doesn't seem that insignificant:

German vaccine regulator records 31 cases of rare brain blood clot after people had AstraZeneca jab

Germany’s vaccine regulator has said it has recorded 31 cases of a rare blood clot in the brain, nine of which resulted in deaths, after people received a Covid vaccine from AstraZeneca.

The Paul Ehrlich Institute said it has now registered 31 cases of clots in the cerebral veins - known as sinus vein thrombosis, or CSVT - and that in 19 of these there was a deficiency of blood platelets or thrombocytepenia, Reuters reports.

In nine cases, the affected people died. With the exception of two cases, all reports concerned women between the ages of 20 and 63. The two men were 36 and 57 years old.

djpbaltimore · Mar 30, 2021

A Canadian immunization agency is recommending that the AZ vaccine be limited to those over the age of 55. The question that has to be addressed is whether the UK has seen the same issues to determine whether the problem is with the vaccine or the supplier.

ETA. I thought this was a balanced article about the WHO report and the other stuff discussed yesterday. I think a good section was how they emphasized that the WHO is an inherently weak organization. It has no enforcement capacity. If a country says 'no', the WHO really has no authority to compel them to do anything.

WHO report into COVID pandemic origins zeroes in on animal markets

Scientists say the conclusions make sense but note that supporters of the lab-leak theory are unlikely to be satisfied.

www.nature.com

Koronin · Mar 30, 2021

Here's an article about Canada's pausing people under 55 getting AstraZeneca's vaccine:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-panel-recommends-pause-giving-173515267.html

Koronin · Mar 30, 2021

Good news for Canada. It appears that they will be able to receive more doses from Pfizer as they are continuing to ramp up the amount of vaccine available to ship.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-accelerate-covid-19-vaccine-155534262.html

Brief update on my husband. Along with the other issues he's still dealing with he does have some Covid long haul issues (although those don't seem to be that bad). About a week after he got the vaccine those appear to be starting to get better. It also appears there was an interaction between his Rheumatoid Arthritis medication (non biological) and the vaccine, although nothing worse than the side effects of the vaccine some people have reported.

Ripper · Mar 31, 2021

Koronin said:
Good news for Canada. It appears that they will be able to receive more doses from Pfizer as they are continuing to ramp up the amount of vaccine available to ship.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pfizer-accelerate-covid-19-vaccine-155534262.html

Brief update on my husband. Along with the other issues he's still dealing with he does have some Covid long haul issues (although those don't seem to be that bad). About a week after he got the vaccine those appear to be starting to get better. It also appears there was an interaction between his Rheumatoid Arthritis medication (non biological) and the vaccine, although nothing worse than the side effects of the vaccine some people have reported.

Your husband had covid?

Koronin · Mar 31, 2021

Ripper said:
Your husband had covid?

He had it back in September. (He did test positive for it then, and the doctors at UNC said there is evidence he had it in the CT scans). He never had anything more than possible mild symptoms when he had it. He ended up with some long haul symptoms. Unfortunately this is on top of the other issues he still has, which may finally have started to get better. In March for the first time in a year his sinuses finally stopped draining.