Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[movingtarget]

France limits outdoor gatherings to six as Covid infections rise

More areas of the country get mobility restrictions while Hungary and Poland face crises

www.theguardian.com

 

[Koronin]

Interesting information from Minnesota

https://www.yahoo.com/news/800-000-fully-vaccinated-people-204430889.html

 

[movingtarget]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/gyms-shocking-offer-to-those-who-refuse-covid-vaccines-053310692.html

 

[jmdirt]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/gyms-shocking-offer-to-those-who-refuse-covid-vaccines-053310692.html

Its a great idea! Keep all of the virus spreaders in one gym. I'm good with the owner losing money too!

Funny:
“How can someone 'prove' they didn’t get vaccinated?” a man asked.

"You’ve essentially offered a free membership to anyone who walks in. Not a good business model."

 

[Tricycle Rider]

So, I may need a bit of an opinion poll here...

My right arm and elbow are very messed up due to an injury sustained last May, still am seeing various MDs and PTs for it. I am scheduled to get the Covid vaccine this Sunday - which arm should they inject it into?

The right arm is already sore as hell, but I'd like to use the left arm for the jab just to see how the jab affects me.

So, which arm do you think I should use?

EDIT - My elderly parents are doing very well after their Pfizer booster shot, btw., dad never complained about anything, and mom (the hypochondriac) complained of a sore arm for a couple of days. But other than that there's nothing to report.

 

[movingtarget]

CDC ‘deeply concerned’ about rising Covid cases as vaccinations accelerate

Most recent weekly average shows 7% increase in Covid infections in US from previous week, at about 57,000 cases a day

www.theguardian.com

 

[movingtarget]

How the AstraZeneca vaccine became a political football – and a PR disaster

Newly accused of data manipulation by the US, AstraZeneca has faced unprecedented scrutiny over the past six months

www.theguardian.com

 

[Koronin]

So, I may need a bit of an opinion poll here...

My right arm and elbow are very messed up due to an injury sustained last May, still am seeing various MDs and PTs for it. I am scheduled to get the Covid vaccine this Sunday - which arm should they inject it into?

The right arm is already sore as hell, but I'd like to use the left arm for the jab just to see how the jab affects me.

So, which arm do you think I should use?

EDIT - My elderly parents are doing very well after their Pfizer booster shot, btw., dad never complained about anything, and mom (the hypochondriac) complained of a sore arm for a couple of days. But other than that there's nothing to report.

For me for the first dose I had it in my left arm due. Then went and spent the day working and due to a couple of things I was doing that day ended up with both arms sore due to work. I did not even know my left arm was sore from the injection until I went to bed and laid down on it. Then it hurt. My husband also said he didn't feel his arm (also left) hurting until he went to bed and laid on it. For me the following more my arm was fine. As for the second dose, I get that on Thursday. (I had Moderna, my husband had Pfizer).

Thanks for the update on your parents.

On another note, my mom got her second dose (Moderna) today. and so far no real side effects. (My mom is in her 70's). Don't think she had any from the first one either. As for if her arm was sore she's been doing a lot at my sister's house to clean up and have some of her friends come over to pick out what they want, and then figure out what to do with the rest so she can sell the house. (My sister passed away in January and mom has been spending a lot of time trying to get things ready to sell the house.) My other sister (who is still around) did have a very sore arm and lump at the injection site for about 24 hours after the first dose. As a side note to this she has 2 autoimmune disease and several other health issues.

 

[Koronin]

How the AstraZeneca vaccine became a political football – and a PR disaster

Newly accused of data manipulation by the US, AstraZeneca has faced unprecedented scrutiny over the past six months

www.theguardian.com

Interesting article,.

I also have an issue with this: (not the reporting, but the actual statements)

Embattled scientists at AstraZeneca feel they have been unfairly targeted for trying to do something that goes against the profit-driven grain in the pharmaceutical industry – produce a low-cost, easy-to-use vaccine that will work well for low- and middle-income countries but will not make them money in the short-term.

I'm fairly sure that J&J were also doing the same thing. Making a low (or lower) cost vaccine that could be used anywhere in the world, plus did it with a single dose instead of 2 doses. (We should get their 2 dose trial data with in the next month or two).

It's not like other vaccines haven't had issues. California halted a batch of Moderna's vaccine when an issue came up. They figured out the issue was the vaccination site and not the batch and restarted it fairly quickly. It was reported. However, the article is correct that communication and their presenting of data causing some of their own issues. If you want your product approved in the US you need to give the FDA the information they require. There are reasons they require that information.

 

[Ripper]

So, I may need a bit of an opinion poll here...

My right arm and elbow are very messed up due to an injury sustained last May, still am seeing various MDs and PTs for it. I am scheduled to get the Covid vaccine this Sunday - which arm should they inject it into?

The right arm is already sore as hell, but I'd like to use the left arm for the jab just to see how the jab affects me.

So, which arm do you think I should use?

EDIT - My elderly parents are doing very well after their Pfizer booster shot, btw., dad never complained about anything, and mom (the hypochondriac) complained of a sore arm for a couple of days. But other than that there's nothing to report.

Most folks seem to only experience very transient local discomfort ... e.g. a sore shoulder that evening. My own experience was about the same. Of course there is a chance it could be more achy, etc., but the reactions to the vaccine seem to be mostly quite mild. The main experiences I have seen (in healthcare settings) is Pfizer, with some folks also receiving Moderna. There have been a very small number of folks who I know felt thumped the next day (really tired), but again, that dissipated within a day.

 

[Ripper]

The fantastic thing is these vaccines are pretty much the most rigorously tested, and publicly tested, vaccines in history. It's really amazing work!

As always, it is also interesting to learn more about people's behaviours, where they get their information from and how decisions are made. Behavioural economics!

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

So, I may need a bit of an opinion poll here...

My right arm and elbow are very messed up due to an injury sustained last May, still am seeing various MDs and PTs for it. I am scheduled to get the Covid vaccine this Sunday - which arm should they inject it into?

The right arm is already sore as hell, but I'd like to use the left arm for the jab just to see how the jab affects me.

So, which arm do you think I should use?

EDIT - My elderly parents are doing very well after their Pfizer booster shot, btw., dad never complained about anything, and mom (the hypochondriac) complained of a sore arm for a couple of days. But other than that there's nothing to report.

I got mine in the left, and it was sore for a couple of days (only annoyingly noticeable the first night...I should have taken the advil they suggested...but after that, it was a bit sore, but not badly.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Interestingly, the day after my shot, I felt great on the bike, but the day after that, I was noticeably dragging...not sure if related to my body doing with the vaccine what is should, but I did notice it.

 

[jmdirt]

So, I may need a bit of an opinion poll here...

My right arm and elbow are very messed up due to an injury sustained last May, still am seeing various MDs and PTs for it. I am scheduled to get the Covid vaccine this Sunday - which arm should they inject it into?

The right arm is already sore as hell, but I'd like to use the left arm for the jab just to see how the jab affects me.

So, which arm do you think I should use?

EDIT - My elderly parents are doing very well after their Pfizer booster shot, btw., dad never complained about anything, and mom (the hypochondriac) complained of a sore arm for a couple of days. But other than that there's nothing to report.

Put it in the right side with the other pain!

My shoulder was pretty tender after both doses, but not enough so to affect my life.

 

[Keram]

Interestingly, the day after my shot, I felt great on the bike, but the day after that, I was noticeably dragging...not sure if related to my body doing with the vaccine what is should, but I did notice it.

I was cross country skiing with my dad four days after his first shot and he told me he has less energy than usual

 

[Jagartrott]

Interesting article,.

I also have an issue with this: (not the reporting, but the actual statements)

Embattled scientists at AstraZeneca feel they have been unfairly targeted for trying to do something that goes against the profit-driven grain in the pharmaceutical industry – produce a low-cost, easy-to-use vaccine that will work well for low- and middle-income countries but will not make them money in the short-term.

I'm fairly sure that J&J were also doing the same thing. Making a low (or lower) cost vaccine that could be used anywhere in the world, plus did it with a single dose instead of 2 doses. (We should get their 2 dose trial data with in the next month or two).

It's not like other vaccines haven't had issues. California halted a batch of Moderna's vaccine when an issue came up. They figured out the issue was the vaccination site and not the batch and restarted it fairly quickly. It was reported. However, the article is correct that communication and their presenting of data causing some of their own issues. If you want your product approved in the US you need to give the FDA the information they require. There are reasons they require that information.

I read the article yesterday and found it disappointing reporting from The Guardian yet again. Throughout the whole piece, I get a "they don't like it because it's British" feeling. Other vaccines also received their share of criticism. Pfizer-BioNTech (reports of deaths in Norway after vaccination, which then appeared unrelated + early delivery slowdowns), Sputnik was basically treated as a joke until it turned out the Russians actually knew what they were doing, etc. AZ simply made mistake after mistake - in their trials, in their communication, in their promises and in their contracts. The article hardly addresses that: why did the original press release lump two separate trials together to come to a "70% efficacy" - why did AZ sign contracts on consecutive days (with the EU and the UK) where things were stated that were mutually exclusive (you can't promise to deliver to EU from UK factories if the UK contract says all vaccines produced in the UK are exclusively for the UK) - etc. AZ just messed up in many ways, and that is not Brexit envy - though obviously the actions of the UK government have now tied it to this.

 

[djpbaltimore]

I ended up with all the symptoms after my second dose of Pfizer. Chills, body aches, lack of apetite, and headache. Started about 12h and peaked at 24h, but starting to feel more normal. I never really felt too fatigued. Adding insult to injury, I had to get a mandatory covid test for work yesterday because I was 5 days short of being fully vaccinated by the university standard.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Most folks seem to only experience very transient local discomfort ... e.g. a sore shoulder that evening. My own experience was about the same. Of course there is a chance it could be more achy, etc., but the reactions to the vaccine seem to be mostly quite mild. The main experiences I have seen (in healthcare settings) is Pfizer, with some folks also receiving Moderna. There have been a very small number of folks who I know felt thumped the next day (really tired), but again, that dissipated within a day.

Son, DIL and wife, and me, all have had both shots. The other 3 got Pfizer, I got Moderna. All had slightly sore arms. I was the only one who felt 'flu-ish' for about 24 hours, then fine.

As an aside, Id be willing to bet more than a few who say, "i'm not getting it", actually do. They just want to appear as part of 'that' tribe...

 

[Nomad]

He's no Judy Mikovits so why would he put himself out on a limb like this and risk his reputation?

"Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield: Covid-19 Virus Came From A Lab In China."

Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield: COVID-19 Virus Came From A Lab In China

Former Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Robert Redfield said in an interview with CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta he believes the pathogen behind the COVID-19 virus was created in a laboratory and "escaped." "I'm of the point of view that I still think the most likely...

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[djpbaltimore]

He's no Judy Mikovits so why would he put himself out on a limb like this and risk his reputation?

"Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield: Covid-19 Virus Came From A Lab In China."

Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield: COVID-19 Virus Came From A Lab In China

Former Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Robert Redfield said in an interview with CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta he believes the pathogen behind the COVID-19 virus was created in a laboratory and "escaped." "I'm of the point of view that I still think the most likely...

www.realclearpolitics.com

His reputation is already shot tbh. His work at the cdc will live in infamy.

It is more interesting that he talks about lab escape and bat to human as if those are the only two options. Virologists speculate that there was an intermediate host like was seen for sars. His claim that sars2 is one of the most infectious viruses is even less grounded in reality. Jmo...

 

[Koronin]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-test-moderna-vaccine-transmission-140751189.html

 

[Unchained]

551,000+ dead..increasing momentum in every way..less vaccine scepticism,increasing supply and an increase in outlets that can get it in your arm. My observation is that people are starting to think a tiny bit into an optimistic future..I think the availability is part of the hope that people feel.
Our household has one person w 2 shots,I have none,interloping stepson,1 vaccine @18 days ago..Covid cases in San Diego and Ensenada dramatically down.
not sure about the total Spring break mosaic..not many revellers..colder than normal temps,rain and many restrictions on bars and restaurants.
The U.S.is without hope of getting a vaccine for the death in Atlanta and Boulder.
Our company has avoided hiring a new controller, desperately needed,but in order to do the specific job training, which all agree is shadowing the current guy in the job..he can't figure out if he wants to retire but needs more manpower for an ever expanding job..with that said,and w anti discrimination laws in place..some kind of careful process to make sure that the person working shoulder to shoulder with an old guy is vaccinated..

 

[Koronin]

Brief update for anyone interested. My mom (in her 70's) got her 2nd dose (Moderna) Friday and didn't notice any side effects. My sister (who has 2 autoimmune diseases plus several other health issues) got her second dose (Moderna) Saturday. She told me that she did get some side effects about 14 hours after the second dose. Dizzy, lightheaded, low grade fever, and shortness of breath. She said about 3 hours after the symptoms showed up she started feeling better and at 4 hours only the lightheadedness was still there, but only if she got up. My sister has said to let people who do have health issues who are hesitant know about what she experienced.

Another piece of information. Here in North Carolina in Raleigh/Durham good luck finding an appointment as they don't appear to exist. It appears only wait lists to be called for an appointment exist there. Now here at the coast you can find appointments at Walgreens (for those not in the US this is one of the large chain drug stores). It may not be your preferred store, but they have appointments. The bigger issue is getting an appointment around your schedule. Here's an even more interesting thing. In town we have 3 Walgreens. I is using exclusively Pfizer, 1 exclusively Moderna, and the 3rd is using which ever more is sent or if J&J is sent. It appears most people aren't too worried about which one they get, just getting an appointment that fits their schedule.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Put it in the right side with the other pain!

My shoulder was pretty tender after both doses, but not enough so to affect my life.

I ended up taking your (and my PT's) advice and had the first Pfizer jab done in my right (already sore) arm this morning - the jab had been administered by a lovely elderly MD volunteer who also happened to be a gynecologist... if I had been thinking fast on my feet I would have also asked for a quicky Pap smear because I'm rather overdue (eh, gotta keep a sense of humor!), I thanked him for his service and he was very grateful. He said the local medical community is happy to do this, they see it as a community event. So yeah, don't forget to thank the volunteers!

Anyhoo, will keep you posted on any symptoms that may pop up, I do enjoy reading everyone's posts who had already taken the jab.

 

[Koronin]

I ended up taking your (and my PT's) advice and had the first Pfizer jab done in my right (already sore) arm this morning - the jab had been administered by a lovely elderly MD volunteer who also happened to be a gynecologist... if I had been thinking fast on my feet I would have also asked for a quicky Pap smear because I'm rather overdue (eh, gotta keep a sense of humor!), I thanked him for his service and he was very grateful. He said the local medical community is happy to do this, they see it as a community event. So yeah, don't forget to thank the volunteers!

Anyhoo, will keep you posted on any symptoms that may pop up, I do enjoy reading everyone's posts who had already taken the jab.

I'll update on my second dose Thursday. I get it in the morning and then go do some work.

On that, I have read several people recently getting their second doses to make sure you drink water or gatorade or whatever to stay hydrated. It's supposed to help lesson any reactions you may have.