Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[Cookster15]

We don't know where it will end yet, but I'll be the optimistic one here and say that it will end with three. I don't know how the yearly will be handled yet.

The definition of fully vaccinated has only changed once so "keeps changing" seems dramatic.

You're only willing to put up with them telling you to get shots, that you're getting anyway, for so long?

Obviously what you hear and read in the US is different to what I am reading and hearing.

Well I guess we will see. If "fully" vaccinated remains three (one booster), I have no problem with that. If however, if we need proof of annual boosters to retain that status I won't be the only one cranky.

+glad to see you optimistic

 

[jmdirt]

NOT FOR LONG.

Not for long isn't relevant to right now. You implied that things would be 'better' in other states NOW, but that isn't necessarily the case. The college policy right now at your daughter's school could be 'not for long" too.

 

[Cookster15]

More good news.

Daily Cases Admitted to Hospital - COVID Live

No sign of immune naivety in this data:

	10-Feb-22	Peak	Trend
Hospitalized	1,795	2,943 (Jan 25)	Down 39%
ICU	121	121 (Sep 21)	Down 50%
Ventilated	55	123 (Sep 18)	Down 55%

And omicron cases in NSW are also falling rapidly which is being confirmed everywhere in the world.

 

[jmdirt]

More good news.

Daily Cases Admitted to Hospital - COVID Live

No sign of immune naivety in this data:

	10-Feb-22	Peak	Trend
Hospitalized	1,795	2,943 (Jan 25)	Down 39%
ICU	121	121 (Sep 21)	Down 50%
Ventilated	55	123 (Sep 18)	Down 55%

And omicron cases in NSW are also falling rapidly which is being confirmed everywhere in the world.

I'm assuming that the ICU peak number is a typo because its the same as the number for today, but the trend lists down 50%.

 

[Cookster15]

I'm assuming that the ICU peak number is a typo because its the same as the number for today, but the trend lists down 50%.

Today's number is updated later in the morning here. The trend is down 50%.

But the point is there is a huge and growing fall in all the stats. A quick look at World-o-meter and I see similar falls around the world. With NSW as I am sure you can imagine this is great news for health workers as one expert here predicted.

 

[Oldermanish]

I heard that on the radio yesterday and wondered how that will play out in the community.

More local response and perhaps justified: Was in a small bank to open an account where masks were still required although the local retail mandate had been lifted. All 5 employees had come down with Omicron. Some were down for a month, others just testing positive after exposure. I was the only customer and we maintained respectful distance in a well-ventilated area to lose the masks. This as probably the best example of personal choice going to preventative measures voluntarily as it was the bank staff's decision; not the corporate position.
I had zero problem respecting their request. Are there still folks out there that would fault me for not defying that request?

 

[jmdirt]

To all of those who take doctor recommended vitamin D, how did you determine that you were deficient? A lady here at work has been reading some of the data from ICU patients who are D deficient so she took a home test, and the suggestion from the website is that she take 4,000 IU in the morning and 1,000 IU in the evening. That seems like a lot, plus she still doesn't know what her level is. I encouraged her to at the very least find out what the result was, and have a discussion with her doc (maybe even have the doc do a test).

 

[Unchained]

To all of those who take doctor recommended vitamin D, how did you determine that you were deficient? A lady here at work has been reading some of the data from ICU patients who are D deficient so she took a home test, and the suggestion from the website is that she take 4,000 IU in the morning and 1,000 IU in the evening. That seems like a lot, plus she still doesn't know what her level is. I encouraged her to at the very least find out what the result was, and have a discussion with her doc (maybe even have the doc do a test).

I don't know for sure** but I don't know about the natural ability to absorb the vitamins and minerals,my understanding is the cell reception says we have enough and excess is passed in urine and feces .
I have read that some Covid data is being accumulated in waste water..so you can tell how much community Covid you have by the waste water..in a community in New York years ago, studies showed,antibiotics,hormones, like birth control in excess in waste water.
It's ugly, but it's crazy that what is flushed in the toilet is data to detect Covid ..

 

[jmdirt]

I don't know for sure** but I don't know about the natural ability to absorb the vitamins and minerals,my understanding is the cell reception says we have enough and excess is passed in urine and feces .
I have read that some Covid data is being accumulated in waste water..so you can tell how much community Covid you have by the waste water..in a community in New York years ago, studies showed,antibiotics,hormones, like birth control in excess in waste water.
It's ugly, but it's crazy that what is flushed in the toilet is data to detect Covid ..

D is stored in adipose tissue (C and others are water soluble=passed out).

 

[Unchained]

So if I wear T-shirt and shorts,seldom ball cap in SCal sun I should get enough? I feel like my exposure to sunlight has dropped by @50+% during Covid..
I also saw a short clip about pineapple having some anti Covid properties, but the story was mostly about tendorizzing meat

 

[djpbaltimore]

I thought this was an interesting take from a Dane who lives in the US and is one of the foremost experts in virology.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491807696193949696

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1491807696193949696

 

[jmdirt]

So if I wear T-shirt and shorts,seldom ball cap in SCal sun I should get enough? I feel like my exposure to sunlight has dropped by @50+% during Covid..
I also saw a short clip about pineapple having some anti Covid properties, but the story was mostly about tendorizzing meat

If you wear sunblock to prevent skin cancer, you might not though? I don't think that any research is claiming that D can prevent SC2, but ICU SC2 patients are frequently D deficient. I try to get my nutrition from food/nature, but that's not the 'mercan way.

 

[movingtarget]

I thought this was an interesting take from a Dane who lives in the US and is one of the foremost experts in virology.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491807696193949696

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1491807696193949696

What pandemic...........politicians and their mind boggling declarations, I guess the next step is to stop talking about it.............

 

[Ultrairon]

I guess that bump brought here in a tweet was a twitter personality trying to pump up the likes or push panic.

Covid-19 Daily Cases - SA Corona Virus Online Portal

Tests ConductedPositive Cases IdentifiedRecoveriesDeathsVaccines Administeredhttps://sacoronavirus.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/vaccine-banner.jpg

sacoronavirus.co.za

 

[Ultrairon]

What pandemic...........politicians and their mind boggling declarations, I guess the next step is to stop talking about it.............

Heading in the right direction and yeah I believe we should treat it different now.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

 

[Ultrairon]

What was the forcast models saying at the beginning of the pandemic? False panic and pure garbage.

 

[Cookster15]

Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now

Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different pandemic, it came to light that governments around the world had spent billions stockpiling antivirals for influenza that had not been shown to reduce the risk...

www.bmj.com

 

[jmdirt]

Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now

Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different pandemic, it came to light that governments around the world had spent billions stockpiling antivirals for influenza that had not been shown to reduce the risk...

www.bmj.com

ALL of the data needs to be available to scientists, but I don't know how much of it needs to be available to the general public yet (most people won't understand it anyway). All of the source that I read clearly have access to a lot of data. There are many independent labs doing research so we aren't operating only on info from Pfiizer and Moderna. I'm going to have to give that article a chicken little rating.

 

[Netserk]

I thought this was an interesting take from a Dane who lives in the US and is one of the foremost experts in virology.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491807696193949696

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/K_G_Andersen/status/1491807696193949696

In his next tweet he writes: "with deaths rapidly rising". That is false. Mortality is declining (https://en.ssi.dk/news/news/2022/mortality-is-declining-in-denmark). An increasing ratio of official covid deaths are false positives:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491817546617663492

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/TyraGroveKrause/status/1491817546617663492


If you check the status report linked in the tweet, hospitalisations (corrected for false positives) are falling (slowly) too.

For context, consider what implications this difference has for the other official numbers:

 

[Unchained]

What was the forcast models saying at the beginning of the pandemic? False panic and pure garbage.

I think in the United States it said something like, millions don't know who a doctor is,don't have one..that is still true, 2+ years on..
Hospitals are understaffed and under equipped, uneven distribution..that was true, before,during and after the pandemic
Lack of predictable community spread and virus presence in the community need worst case scenario nationwide..again 2 years in and that is still true w cases and hospitalization going down but death going up by 3% last month..
And vaccine distribution and development on hold waiting for the next variant..so.during coming years ,like influenza and antibiotic resistance bacteria, yes you can prepare for battle basics, but you need to know specifically what you are fighting to formulate a targeted vaccine..
And like flu, current Covid vaccines and associated booster regiments have kept hospitalization and death rates low enough for hospital capacity, currently workable in most places,
So some binary discussion about nothing vs something is silly..and then the sliding scale..let's do something,but this is too much..that subjectivity is based on death and suffering.
Yes let's take Covid measures but only enough so pizza and beer,football games continue work is not interrupted by child care and..X number of dead and sick are the cost of doing business.
Can you imagine if fire department response was based on a similar model..send a Toyota pickup w a 5 gallon bucket and if that doesn't put out the fire,they keep calling the next bigger unit until the fire is out..
Overwhelming response is always best,rather than show up under prepared..there was no crying wolf on this,we got dead bodies and long Covid suffers to back it up.
And for me all the Covid related child abuse should be a top government issue at every level. What has grown adults thinking it's ok to bring kids to tears,throwing blows over a Covid policy disagreement? Seeing video after video of adult men screaming at young girls over coffee,pizza,soap..some product or service interrupted during Covid is disgusting and unacceptable.
There should be should have been swift law enforcement about adults screaming at kids,adults screaming at adults..just general lunacy that has become publicly accepted as normal

 

[Ultrairon]

I think in the United States it said something like, millions don't know who a doctor is,don't have one..that is still true, 2+ years on..
Hospitals are understaffed and under equipped, uneven distribution..that was true, before,during and after the pandemic
Lack of predictable community spread and virus presence in the community need worst case scenario nationwide..again 2 years in and that is still true w cases and hospitalization going down but death going up by 3% last month..
And vaccine distribution and development on hold waiting for the next variant..so.during coming years ,like influenza and antibiotic resistance bacteria, yes you can prepare for battle basics, but you need to know specifically what you are fighting to formulate a targeted vaccine..
And like flu, current Covid vaccines and associated booster regiments have kept hospitalization and death rates low enough for hospital capacity, currently workable in most places,
So some binary discussion about nothing vs something is silly..and then the sliding scale..let's do something,but this is too much..that subjectivity is based on death and suffering.
Yes let's take Covid measures but only enough so pizza and beer,football games continue work is not interrupted by child care and..X number of dead and sick are the cost of doing business.
Can you imagine if fire department response was based on a similar model..send a Toyota pickup w a 5 gallon bucket and if that doesn't put out the fire,they keep calling the next bigger unit until the fire is out..
Overwhelming response is always best,rather than show up under prepared..there was no crying wolf on this,we got dead bodies and long Covid suffers to back it up.
And for me all the Covid related child abuse should be a top government issue at every level. What has grown adults thinking it's ok to bring kids to tears,throwing blows over a Covid policy disagreement? Seeing video after video of adult men screaming at young girls over coffee,pizza,soap..some product or service interrupted during Covid is disgusting and unacceptable.
There should be should have been swift law enforcement about adults screaming at kids,adults screaming at adults..just general lunacy that has become publicly accepted as normal

I agree the child abuse with the masks being mandatory in schools should stop immediately. They should have had law enforcement in there to stop all of that type of abuse.

 

[Oldermanish]

I agree the child abuse with the masks being mandatory in schools should stop immediately. They should have had law enforcement in there to stop all of that type of abuse.

I guess you don't have young family members that have had Covid....twice? Their at risk Grandparents think they should now wear masks. I'm not the at risk portion of the equation but the other GP were poo-pooing the whole gravity of the matter until one of them spent a week hospitalized after he and golfing buddies came down with it. Granpa's cardiologist said next time don't call him to reinforce the seriousness.
The histrionics at school board meetings appears largely about parents' perspective and long held opinions; not child abuse via masks. The behavior of the parents sometimes calls into question what priorities they actually have.

 

[Unchained]

Oldermanish, your point is spot on.
The team troll thing is always going to be alive and well in internet culture. The statement that it's never ok to physically and verbally abuse a teenage girl was a standard,not anymore.Serious subjects raised by Covid like intimidation and physical threat to people in the workplace were,are ignored as a new cultural norm. Centuries of " don't kill the messenger " are in the trash as loons go off the rails being asked to comply with policy in a private property,private business, choosing to vent on a teenager as a larger symbolic gesture and f-ck the kid,and the ultimate costs to all, involved or not.
if people don't think that there is a long term cost to Covid crazy conduct unbecoming of a human being they are wrong..Airplane,market,restaurant or coffee shop..behavior that used to get you shot,tazed or arrested is applauded and encouraged..sad for all..especially the kids who had way way way too many instances of instability and insanity about Covid from every direction.
YouTube a school board of city council meeting..looks like straight jackets and tranquilizer guns should be standard equipment and extra tin foil hats all around..

 

[djpbaltimore]

In his next tweet he writes: "with deaths rapidly rising". That is false. Mortality is declining (https://en.ssi.dk/news/news/2022/mortality-is-declining-in-denmark). An increasing ratio of official covid deaths are false positives:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491817546617663492

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/TyraGroveKrause/status/1491817546617663492


If you check the status report linked in the tweet, hospitalisations (corrected for false positives) are falling (slowly) too.

For context, consider what implications this difference has for the other official numbers:

He posted the death rates with his tweet. They are rising. False positives sounds like the typical 'they died with covid, not from covid' BS that we have heard for the last two years. And his data is more updated than your link. Whether you think this is the appropriate strategy is another debate. But Denmark shows that even the most vaccinated countries are going to have large outbreaks due to Omicron family variants if you stop mitigating. People should be told this when countries declare victory. But I'm guessing that you weren't and now you are carrying water for them.

 

[Cookster15]

Interesting .... a study from Israel.

Antibodies in unjabbed Covid survivors 'stronger than two vaccines' (msn.com)

Experts said the 'jury is still out' on which type of immunity is better, but almost all scientists agree that a combination of vaccine and natural protection is the best.