I think we are all waiting now for a rider to test positive, and to be allowed to use EPO for recovery purposes....
Or to test positive for EPO, and claim he was using it to recover from C19.
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I think we are all waiting now for a rider to test positive, and to be allowed to use EPO for recovery purposes....
This was discussed on a segment of "The HardWire with Del Bigtree." It sounds like T-cell immunity is more effective against the virus than antibodies.A recent study in Germany reports that about 80% of people not/never infected with SARS-CoV-2 nevertheless have some T-cell mediated immunity to the virus. They believe this is from previously having been infected with a relatively harmless coronavirus responsible for common colds. This could possibly be a factor accounting for why some people fight off this virus much more quickly and easily than others of about the same age and health. Go out and catch a cold!
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-35331/v1
It makes sense that increasing oxygen/oxygen utilization would help with a respiratory disease. EPO also has some anti-inflammatory affect (maybe simply because of more oxygen).Hmmm- it seems EPO could be helpful for C-19
EPO doping drug appears to ease severe cases of COVID-19
The EPO doping drug provides relief in severe cases of corona. It also seems to protect patients against the neurological effects of corona.innovationorigins.com
Some of us have been ranting about this for months already. Its nice that 239 experts are drawing more attention, but its nothing new. I think that I first read about aerosols vs. droplets in April (size, ability/times to 'float' in the air...). Its probably good to emphasize it to encourage people to wear face coverings though.Actually, I don't doubt this. That + airconditioning --> places with high temperatures and air conditioning (see also Saudi-Arabia, UAE, etc.) --> people staying mostly indoors, in airconditioned but poorly ventilated rooms = problems
239 Experts With One Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne (Published 2020)
The W.H.O. has resisted mounting evidence that viral particles floating indoors are infectious, some scientists say. The agency maintains the research is still inconclusive.www.nytimes.com
Some of us have been ranting about this for months already. Its nice that 239 experts are drawing more attention, but its nothing new. I think that I first read about aerosols vs. droplets in April (size, ability/times to 'float' in the air...). Its probably good to emphasize it to encourage people to wear face coverings though.
Keep in the mind that the "experts" on the hierarchy of the Coronavirus task force have given misinformation on the mask issue. Remember back a few months ago, Fauci went on "60 minutes" and said people don't need to wear masks detailing the science that masks do not protect against respiratory viruses. At about the same time, thee Surgeon General said masks also don't work and specifically pointed out that even the "N95 mask won't protect citizens" and "increases the chance of getting a disease."As I shared, the Boise mayor signed a mask mandate. There were people marching on city hall yesterday to protests of course. There was lots of "its a free country" which is cover for "I'm selfish", and one guy offered proof of his selfishness by adding "its a free country so I'm free to not wear a mask, and you are free to stay home". HMM, so your freedom to spread C19 means that I am not free to leave my home...is that lost on you?...it probably is. Sure, if you like the sound of "its a free country" chant it all you want, but remember that we have laws and rules to protect each other from each other. For example we have speed limits. Is this guy going to argue that its a free country and he can drive as fast as he wants and if you don't like being run over by him stay home? He probably is.
Uhm, what?If COVID19 could be spread by aerosols then many more people would be infected - Controlled experiments in indoor settings have little relevance to general environmental conditions that govern our life. Yes, some diseases such as legionnaires disease, tuberculosis are spread by aerosols.
Let's put aside any outside info and just use some logic: if you wear a face covering less of your droplets/aerosols can get out. Plus, as an added benefit, less of other people's droplets/aerosols can get in. If everyone is wearing a face covering there will be less droplet/aerosol exchange. Its really pretty simple.Keep in the mind that the "experts" on the hierarchy of the Coronavirus task force have given misinformation on the mask issue. Remember back a few months ago, Fauci went on "60 minutes" and said people don't need to wear masks detailing the science that masks do not protect against respiratory viruses. At about the same time, thee Surgeon General said masks also don't work and specifically pointed out that even the "N95 mask won't protect citizens" and "increases the chance of getting a disease."
Since then, Fauci has retracted and basically has implied the whole thing was a lie so people wouldn't go out and buy up all the masks. Lol. We've yet to hear from Adams on whether or not he was sincere or also intentionally misleading:
View: https://youtu.be/fqk_vnqKvBA
So, how can anyone take these guys serious with nonsense like this? The task force has become a clown show.
And now we have Americans at each other's throats over masks. People are harassed for not wearing a mask...people are harassed for wearing a mask. Go search YouTube for videos of people fighting each other over the wearing/not wearing of masks. You've got physical confrontations and downright brawls in many stores with people fighting one another or fighting store employees, and just plain chaos.
I've had a couple of times while out running on the streets where cars have pulled up along side of me yelling obscenities to wear a mask! And just yesterday at the gym, a middle-aged women was chewing out a young guy in the cardio section for not wearing mask!Though the gym suggests masks but does not require them...I thought WTH? And the MSM just keeps harping on & on about how terrible people are for not wearing masks at the beaches, parks, outdoor gatherings, etc.
Americans have gone completely insane over this mask issue...I've never seen anything like this before. In fact, this whole country is falling apart with so much hostilities. It would be nice to go back to the time when you only wore a mask for Halloween. Lol.
Or to test positive for EPO, and claim he was using it to recover from C19.
Yes, it really is that simple. its not about 'who the expert is' its about common sense. Also, at this point that common sense is supported by a growing body of data to support it.It's really that simple? I guess you didn't watch very closely what Surgeon General Adams had to say? Who's the experts here? Any of us or Adams?
View: https://youtu.be/C1ODBTdNiG0
Uhm, what?
So how is it being spread if not through the air? Certainly droplets are more 'potent' than aerosols, but droplets fall more quickly. Imagine the amount of aerosols floating around in a work space after and eight hour day.
Controlled experiments in indoor settings have little relevance? Many people work inside, restaurant/bar opening didn't work because they're inside. Testing these environments IS relevant to people's lives. Sure its not relevant to my house or my mountain bike ride, but it is relevant to indoor spaces that are part of my life (ie: grocery store).
Some diseases are/can be spread by aerosols, but not C19?
Please don't type that its only getting into peoples' lung because they aren't washing their hands enough.
Some of us have been ranting about this for months already. Its nice that 239 experts are drawing more attention, but its nothing new. I think that I first read about aerosols vs. droplets in April (size, ability/times to 'float' in the air...). Its probably good to emphasize it to encourage people to wear face coverings though.
You shouldn't suggest any further research until you check your own assertions...you have droplets and aerosols backward which highlights your misunderstanding of what is happening.Droplets and aerosols are different - Droplets are smaller particles which may end up furniture, door handles, buttons etc while aerosols are bigger particles that stay in the air and could be breathed in by people - Though there is only limited evidence that COVID 19 infections are caused by aerosols - I'll also add that masks are misused by many - People walk around in public wearing a mask with a 'badge of honour.' Walking down the street or strolling in the park hardly needs a mask BUT yet these same people don't wear masks in their workplaces, where you are in close confines with others for longer periods of time.
I suggest you do some further research to see what diseases are spread by aerosols - The biggest issue with COVID 19 is it can be spread by asymptomatic people which makes it so difficult to contain - So it's not just a case of identifying a person who is coughing and spluttering - Finally, your last sentence makes no sense at all.
If y'all wanted to argue about airborne vs droplet transmission, you missed your calling. It is a staple argument in infectious disease circles. Remember that I said biomedical sciences does not routinely provide tidy answers. I personally think flu can transmit by aerosols, but that is still not universally agreed upon and flu has been studied for decades. As Yaco notes, it is a bit of semantics and not everybody even agrees what the size cutoff should be (e.g. 5 vs 10). There will be no definitive answer about CoV. But I am inclined to RtD's thinking that we should probably assume that it does.
As for Adams, I don't think we should overstate his expertise. He is an anesthesiologist by practice. His one big foray into infectious disease during the Hiv outbreak in Indiana was pretty disastrous. But it did show that he was a team player and would not rock the boat for the pols. That and having the right connections is how he became surgeon general. There is legit grounds to replace the whole task force, including Fauci and most of the cdc leadership, for the dubious mask messaging and other missteps. I think Scott Gottlieb would be a good choice to lead. That guy has been a straight shooter throughout.
I really don't want to argue the ins and outs of transmission, I want to stress the importance of keeping our C19 to ourselves as much as possible (reduce transmission). Wear a mask.If y'all wanted to argue about airborne vs droplet transmission, you missed your calling. It is a staple argument in infectious disease circles. Remember that I said biomedical sciences does not routinely provide tidy answers. I personally think flu can transmit by aerosols, but that is still not universally agreed upon and flu has been studied for decades. As Yaco notes, it is a bit of semantics and not everybody even agrees what the size cutoff should be (e.g. 5 vs 10). There will be no definitive answer about CoV. But I am inclined to RtD's thinking that we should probably assume that it does.
As for Adams, I don't think we should overstate his expertise. He is an anesthesiologist by practice. His one big foray into infectious disease during the Hiv outbreak in Indiana was pretty disastrous. But it did show that he was a team player and would not rock the boat for the pols. That and having the right connections is how he became surgeon general. There is legit grounds to replace the whole task force, including Fauci and most of the cdc leadership, for the dubious mask messaging and other missteps. I think Scott Gottlieb would be a good choice to lead. That guy has been a straight shooter throughout.
So, how can anyone take these guys serious with nonsense like this? The task force has become a clown show.
the MSM just keeps harping on & on about how terrible people are for not wearing masks at the beaches, parks, outdoor gatherings, etc.
The precautionary principle seems the best way to approach this: unless you're sure it doesn't transmit via aerosols, assume it does. The WHO seems to apply the opposite approach: until it is proven covid-19 does transmit via aerosols, assume it does not. I find that a very strange line of reasoning. Such thinking may be applied to wild theories, but not for something that is at least very well possible.If y'all wanted to argue about airborne vs droplet transmission, you missed your calling. It is a staple argument in infectious disease circles. Remember that I said biomedical sciences does not routinely provide tidy answers. I personally think flu can transmit by aerosols, but that is still not universally agreed upon and flu has been studied for decades. As Yaco notes, it is a bit of semantics and not everybody even agrees what the size cutoff should be (e.g. 5 vs 10). There will be no definitive answer about CoV. But I am inclined to RtD's thinking that we should probably assume that it does.
‘They feel invincible’: how California’s coronavirus plan went wrong
The state was the first to issue a shelter-in-place order – now a few outbreaks have sparked an explosion, with 6,000- 7,000 new cases a day over the past weekwww.theguardian.com