Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[movingtarget]

Karl-Anthony Towns lost seven family members to Covid. He came back and shone

The Minnesota Timberwolves star has suffered loss in his personal life but has used it as inspiration to come back stronger

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ultrairon]

Really good news released today.
You are not at risk to contract the coronavirus as long as you are not standing within six feet of someone with covid for 15 minutes. Such good news.
So a sneeze from a covid + person directly onto a covid - person is no big deal because it does not last 15min.

What I learned today: masks are no big at all especially for seniors don't wear them unless you plan to hover for longer that 15min in a 2meter area.

Hypocrisy is such a terrible thing it ruins any message you might have.

A Dr who has more time to be on television is obviously not spending time doing their actual job. A twitter Dr (PHd) who tweets is prob not good at their profession.

 

[djpbaltimore]

No where in that original Tweet does it give credit to a source for the data. Link to where they give the CDC credit for the data they are claiming? I checked again and twitter Dr. does not do it in the original tweet you posted. Later they do some graphing but unless its a authorized CDC Powerbi report I am not going to be fooled by some twitter Dr's made up graphs.

I'm not confused. Dr. Television more than once discounted prior infection. Its still not recognized in the USA as it is in Europe other countries.

So, you are not going to provide a link for your assertion? That seems like trolling.

Dr. Bauer mentions CDC in the tweet you asked about. Are you seriously doubting that case numbers are going up in certain states? The national numbers have been at 30k for 2 weeks. R=1 overall with R> 1 for the new variant. I think many cases are unreported as people test at home with govt supplied rapid tests, but the new wave is building.

 

[Ultrairon]

So, you are not going to provide a link for your assertion? That seems like trolling.

Dr. Bauer mentions CDC in the tweet you asked about. Are you seriously doubting that case numbers are going up in certain states? The national numbers have been at 30k for 2 weeks. R=1 overall with R> 1 for the new variant. I think many cases are unreported as people test at home with govt supplied rapid tests, but the new wave is building.

This looks like he discounts prior infection vs vax to me.

Dr. Fauci explains why COVID-19 vaccines work much better than natural immunity to protect you from the coronavirus

Fauci points to several new studies which show COVID-19 vaccines boost protection from concerning variants among people who've had prior infections.

www.businessinsider.com

In the second tweet you posted Dr. Twitter does mention the cdc. Not in the original tweet you posted. And there is no link for a source to the data used. That was when I first mentioned it. That seems like you are trolling and playing games with what I posted.

According to the CDC's data its about the same as three weeks ago. Seriously yes I am saying that. And the way you say "the new wave is building" sounds like an alarmist.

CDT Redirect Page

original tweet for reference

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510896011115442180

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[Oldermanish]

Really good news released today.
You are not at risk to contract the coronavirus as long as you are not standing within six feet of someone with covid for 15 minutes. Such good news.
So a sneeze from a covid + person directly onto a covid - person is no big deal because it does not last 15min.

What I learned today: masks are no big at all especially for seniors don't wear them unless you plan to hover for longer that 15min in a 2meter area.


I'm not sure where you got the good news today but the part in red has been common sense on not getting airborne disease since.....forever. Glad you finally learnt that.

If you're a senior or immune compromised person you would wear a mask possibly because you could not predict when some infected individual would be in your space. Hard to plan for inconsiderate and stupid people. So you might have some nuance to take into your learned opinion. But then, doctors that wear masks in surgery and don't go on TV could be wrong, too?

 

[Ultrairon]

Someone has been trolling us with the alarmist new wave is building etc.

"So where is that wave? Case numbers, nationally and even at the state level, aren’t showing a surge. Across the US, the number of new cases reported every day has been flat for the last two weeks. Hospitalizations and deaths are still dropping from their peaks during the omicron wave. Some states are seeing a rise in cases — New York and Massachusetts in particular — but there are still few signs of major spikes. "

The good and bad news about the current Covid-19 wave

Even if BA.2 doesn’t spark a nationwide surge, it still poses dangers.

www.vox.com

 

[Ultrairon]

Hard to quote you when you quote and modify someones post.

 

[djpbaltimore]

How could that be? I thought Dr Television said previous infection was not any protection against reinfection?

This was your exact words. Notice how you are now moving the goalposts.

This looks like he discounts prior infection vs vax to me.

Dr. Fauci explains why COVID-19 vaccines work much better than natural immunity to protect you from the coronavirus

Fauci points to several new studies which show COVID-19 vaccines boost protection from concerning variants among people who've had prior infections.

www.businessinsider.com

In the second tweet you posted Dr. Twitter does mention the cdc. Not in the original tweet you posted. And there is no link for a source to the data used. That was when I first mentioned it. That seems like you are trolling and playing games with what I posted.

According to the CDC's data its about the same as three weeks ago. Seriously yes I am saying that. And the way you say "the new wave is building" sounds like an alarmist.

CDT Redirect Page

original tweet for reference

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510896011115442180

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Are you debating that numbers in some states are starting to rise? Yes or no? Stating empirical facts is not alarmism unless you are a troll. This subvariant is rising in every region.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1512452332939726852

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[Koronin]

Expect testing for Covid to drop dramatically in the US in coming weeks/months if it hasn't already started. The govt is out of money for more tests and vaccines and so far they can't get a deal for more money for these things. (Trying to keep politics out as much as possible.) There are technically tests at drug stores you can buy for home use, but many people can't afford them.

 

[jmdirt]

Expect testing for Covid to drop dramatically in the US in coming weeks/months if it hasn't already started. The govt is out of money for more tests and vaccines and so far they can't get a deal for more money for these things. (Trying to keep politics out as much as possible.) There are technically tests at drug stores you can buy for home use, but many people can't afford them.

There are still free tests available too.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Important study for the vaccines don't decrease transmission crowd.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1512778684565970946

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1512778684565970946

 

[Koronin]

There are still free tests available too.

Out of money for more, doesn't mean there aren't currently free ones still available.

 

[movingtarget]

After Europe’s latest Covid surge, will the US follow suit?

‘We should expect a lot of evolution going forward,’ says a professor of the probability of variants of Omicron and Delta strains

www.theguardian.com

 

[Koronin]

Not Covid, but for those who have been following my husband's health saga, he had his post Chemo scan on Friday and it's in remission.

 

[Nomad]

Important study for the vaccines don't decrease transmission crowd.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1512778684565970946

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1512778684565970946

That can't be correct because the Israeli study shows very little efficacy against Omicron infections:

4th Dose COVID mRNA Vaccines’ Immunogenicity & Efficacy Against Omicron VOC

BACKGROUND Following the emergence of the Omicron variant of concern, we investigated immunogenicity, efficacy and safety of BNT162b2 or mRNA1273 fourth dose in an open-label, clinical intervention trial. METHODS Primary end-points were safety and immunogenicity and secondary end-points were...

www.medrxiv.org

RESULTS
"Breakthrough infections were common, mostly very mild, yet, with high viral loads. Vaccine efficacy against infection were 30% (95% CI: -9% to 55%) and 11% (95% CI: -43% to +43%) for BNT162b2 and mRNA1273, respectively. Local and systemic adverse reactions were reported in 80% and 40%, respectively."

CONCLUSION
"The fourth Covid-19 mRNA dose restores antibody filters to peak post-third dose titers. Low efficacy in preventing mild or asymptomatic Omicron infections and infectious potential of breakthrough cases raise the urgency of next generation vaccine development."

Let's see what the lead author of the study has to say:

Who might benefit from a 4th shot — and who might not

Some countries are moving ahead with plans to offer a fourth dose of COVID-19 vaccine. But studies are raising questions about the potential advantages of this extra booster.

www.npr.org

"Not a third dose, not a fourth dose, not a fifth dose will do anything to stop infections [long term]", says Dr. Gili Regev-Yochay, an infectious disease specialist at Sheba Medical Center, Israel, and lead author of the new study."

I've been saying all along here that post-infection immunity will get us out of the pandemic & offer good protection agaisnt future variants.

 

[Nomad]

The Ins and Outs of Covid Vaccine Safety ⋆ Brownstone Institute

The only way to know if these are adverse reactions caused by the vaccine or not is to focus less on VAERS reports and instead examine the VSD and BEST data. CDC and FDA have the data, systems and knowledge to answer the concerns. Why haven’t they?

brownstone.org

 

[Ultrairon]

Good News.

Weekly Hospitalization Trends - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

This chart displays the 7-day trend in overall and Covid-19-specific hospitalization occupancy data to help understand changes in capacity and level of stress on hospitals.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[djpbaltimore]

That can't be correct because the Israeli study shows very little efficacy against Omicron infections:

4th Dose COVID mRNA Vaccines’ Immunogenicity & Efficacy Against Omicron VOC

BACKGROUND Following the emergence of the Omicron variant of concern, we investigated immunogenicity, efficacy and safety of BNT162b2 or mRNA1273 fourth dose in an open-label, clinical intervention trial. METHODS Primary end-points were safety and immunogenicity and secondary end-points were...

www.medrxiv.org

RESULTS
"Breakthrough infections were common, mostly very mild, yet, with high viral loads. Vaccine efficacy against infection were 30% (95% CI: -9% to 55%) and 11% (95% CI: -43% to +43%) for BNT162b2 and mRNA1273, respectively. Local and systemic adverse reactions were reported in 80% and 40%, respectively."

CONCLUSION
"The fourth Covid-19 mRNA dose restores antibody filters to peak post-third dose titers. Low efficacy in preventing mild or asymptomatic Omicron infections and infectious potential of breakthrough cases raise the urgency of next generation vaccine development."

Let's see what the lead author of the study has to say:

Who might benefit from a 4th shot — and who might not

Some countries are moving ahead with plans to offer a fourth dose of COVID-19 vaccine. But studies are raising questions about the potential advantages of this extra booster.

www.npr.org

"Not a third dose, not a fourth dose, not a fifth dose will do anything to stop infections [long term]", says Dr. Gili Regev-Yochay, an infectious disease specialist at Sheba Medical Center, Israel, and lead author of the new study."

I've been saying all along here that post-infection immunity will get us out of the pandemic & offer good protection agaisnt future variants.

The two studies are looking at different things. Efficiency in the Israel study is against breakthrough infection. The study I posted looked at the viral loads in the people with breakthrough infections. The Israel study mentions viral loads, but are looking at viral RNA as a surrogate. The study I posted shows that viral RNA is actually a poor surrogate for viral loads. But they are easier to do, so that is why they are done so frequently.

Second, fourth dose data is from the elderly, so any protection is pretty positive.

I saw this data and thought you would enjoy it. Shows hybrid immunity with infection and vaccine is very strong in this relatively small cohort. If it is not clear why this is cool is that the people were infected with beta and vaccinated against OG covid from Wuhan. Neither of these strains exist any more, but the combo was strongly protective against omicron. Hopefully, the 50% of people who got infected with omicron this winter and got vaccinated will have strong protection against future strains. IMO, that is really what endemic would mean to me.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1513515490718760962

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[movingtarget]

Heart inflammation after Covid vaccine ‘no more common than after other jabs’

Research finds risk of myopericarditis after Covid jab is low and similar to that after flu vaccine

www.theguardian.com

 

[movingtarget]

Philadelphia becomes first major US city to reinstate indoor mask mandate

Covid-19 cases have risen more than 50% in 10 days, the threshold at which city’s guidelines call for masking indoors

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ultrairon]

"Philadelphia just re-instated their mask mandates, effective April 18th. Laughing at this power grab.
They were so kind to give everyone a one week grace period before they start enforcing it. If masks worked so well why wouldn't they make it effective immediately? Are all the people who will supposedly die in the next week from not wearing masks not important? Or is this just example number 500001 of how nothing these tyrants do makes any sense at all?"

 

[Koronin]

Let's see what the lead author of the study has to say:

Who might benefit from a 4th shot — and who might not

Some countries are moving ahead with plans to offer a fourth dose of COVID-19 vaccine. But studies are raising questions about the potential advantages of this extra booster.

www.npr.org

"Not a third dose, not a fourth dose, not a fifth dose will do anything to stop infections [long term]", says Dr. Gili Regev-Yochay, an infectious disease specialist at Sheba Medical Center, Israel, and lead author of the new study."

I've been saying all along here that post-infection immunity will get us out of the pandemic & offer good protection agaisnt future variants.

Well one group who can definitely be helped with a 4th dose is those who are immune compromised. Those, like my husband, who are immune compromised from something like Chemo should greatly benefit from a 4th dose. They already have told him they want him there 6 months after his final treatment for a 4th dose because it's very likely the chemo ravaged any immunity he had from both having had Covid (before the vaccine was available) and from the vaccine its self. Yes he may still have some immunity because Chemo doesn't eliminate all immunity for everyone as everyone has different reactions to it.

 

[movingtarget]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/valneva-covid-vaccine-approved-uk-054605025.html

 

[Oldermanish]

Well one group who can definitely be helped with a 4th dose is those who are immune compromised. Those, like my husband, who are immune compromised from something like Chemo should greatly benefit from a 4th dose. They already have told him they want him there 6 months after his final treatment for a 4th dose because it's very likely the chemo ravaged any immunity he had from both having had Covid (before the vaccine was available) and from the vaccine its self. Yes he may still have some immunity because Chemo doesn't eliminate all immunity for everyone as everyone has different reactions to it.

We're seeing an increase of mask wearing due to new variant concerns. Most seem to be immune compromised or older citizens with respiratory issues. There is no data I can quote as most anything in Idaho gets reported later than I've seen elsewhere. No mandate or power-grab here; just some common sense prevention.

"Philadelphia just re-instated their mask mandates, effective April 18th. Laughing at this power grab.
They were so kind to give everyone a one week grace period before they start enforcing it. If masks worked so well why wouldn't they make it effective immediately? Are all the people who will supposedly die in the next week from not wearing masks not important? Or is this just example number 500001 of how nothing these tyrants do makes any sense at all?"

Tyrants?

 

[Unchained]

So like looking for a diamond in a big mound of steaming sh-t..US death toll has stalled before reaching 1 million.
San Diego is totally maskless..low case count. All of Northern Baja still wearing masks,hand sanitizer and temp checks in businesses.. In Ensenada, 2 cruise ships have returned and crowds somewhat smaller but tourists are in the streets again..