I think that some of the discussion around this though is that the less severe, upper respiratory infection does not elicit a great immune response, and therefore a lower immunity level overall. Its the same (or at least similar) to the data with earlier variants: more severe infections tend to elicit greater immunity than less sever infections.
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Yes, I would agree with that. The conformation of the spike also makes it less immunogenic, but it's niche is very different than delta. Without signal boosting people who I think are misguided, there are also those claiming that Omicron infections are making your immunity worse based on that study.
On a separate note, it boggles my mind that vaccination of U5s is nearing approval nearly 1.5 years after adults. Anybody who wonders why public health officials are resigning en masse should listen to the public comment period.
VRBPAC June 14-15, 2022 Meeting Announcement
This is the CBER Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee June 14-15, 2022 Meeting Announcement.
The math in the United States is overwhelming..the actions of the sub group that did best practices,including vaccines saved lives,saved the economy and saved the under prepared everything health care system from a viral tsunami.
So without opinion,anyone logical can see that an widespread version of " screw let's just see what happens if we do nothing and let nature sort it out " would have upended the country and the world exponentially worse..simply inarguably true.
So those who observed a course of acting foolish were allowed to do so using the balance of those not spitting on each other,washing hands,surfaces and getting vaccinated..without the balance something really bad, over a million dead would have been far worse.
And instead of learning,this same phenomenon of silliness and stupidity goes further w all public safety issues..with people disregarding firefighters and safety officials, staying behind in wild fires, tornados and floods after being warned to act collectively responsible..These acts of independent thinking, put everyone at risk, but especially first responders..in an attempt instant a fire fighter has to worry about saving life,when 99% of the population tried to streamline just putting out the fire,saving property. And the tiny fraction that create these life and death complications see themselves as free thinkers or patriotic..
So the ignoring Covid template is everywhere..ignoring grizzly bears,flood waters and wild fires..and we all see and need to pay for the free thinkers..
this is not going to change..those of us who hear a siren and react,pull over and pause..we exist,but we also need to acknowledge and prepare for people who don't,think it's intelligent not to pull over,to stop when they are given loud,clear,logical warning signs.
The ball was completely dropped from day one on messaging..masks don't absolutely prevent anything..just help slow the spread so health care system is not overwhelmed..vaccines,not absolute,obviously..just help slow the spread so everything is manageable..washing hands,surfaces,social distancing..just slow things down so things are manageable..the binary BS about all or nothing is,was and will always be dumb. Everyone doing little things,their part adds up..and we need to plan for a life, where some people will say,doing anything is too much to ask of them..saving ourselves saves them ultimately,even if they don't see it..
Let's hope that the logic that does exist about diet,diabetes, obesity..if Covid, is a non starter but those issues are immediate emergency action items..again the pursuit of solutions benefits all of us and..unwanted, accidentally will help Covid causes..
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US could have saved 338,000 lives from Covid with universal healthcare, study finds
Report’s author says people died because US healthcare ‘leaves millions without adequate access to medical treatment’
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I think one of the most likely causes is persistent infection. Saw this preprint today suggesting as much. What they need is some biomarker to define what long covid actually is. Or to subdivide different varieties.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/BillHanage/status/1537815599975383042
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Peter, Peter! This year has absolutely sucked for him. He's had it 3 times and been vaccinated.
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Maybe a trip to Ontario and you can pickup some other organic products. I do miss some things about Washington State.Not until I get my CBD!
So was the bot ban comment deleted? haha funny get high its all good until your employer does a random.Not until I get my CBD!
HAHA none and I mean NONE of what the two of you are discussing is COVID related. Seems amazing you can just go on and on about hippy lettuce.They should!
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Dope talk? Someone crashed the site to market products and we have a laugh. Take a humor break, please.
The discussion could have been or should have taken place in another thread. I laughed though. Its almost as funny as dr bill gates and his epidemiologist views. He knows his stuff. LOL hahah ahahahahahahahhaahahah
great trend though or are yall against good news?
coronavirus.jhu.edu
expecting one of the enthusiasts to say yeah but. blah blah blah
Weekly Hospitalization Trends - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
This chart displays the 7-day trend in overall and Covid-19-specific hospitalization occupancy data to help understand changes in capacity and level of stress on hospitals.
coronavirus.jhu.edu
expecting one of the enthusiasts to say yeah but. blah blah blah
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Deborah Birx Says Trump White House Asked Her to Weaken Covid Guidance
The former White House coronavirus coordinator, who became a controversial figure, said there was a consistent effort to stifle information as virus cases surged in late 2020.
Dr. Deborah L. Birx, President Donald J. Trump’s coronavirus response coordinator, told a congressional panel on Thursday that the Trump administration’s attitude toward the coronavirus had caused a “false sense of security in America.”Credit...Jason Andrew for The New York Times
By Noah Weiland
Dr. Birx, who publicly testified to the panel Thursday morning, also told the committee that Trump White House officials withheld the reports from states during a winter outbreak and refused to publicly release the documents, which featured data on the virus’s spread and recommendations for how to contain it.
Her account of White House interference came in a multiday interview the committee conducted in October 2021, which was released on Thursday with a set of emails Dr. Birx sent to colleagues in 2020 warning of the influence of a new White House pandemic adviser, Dr. Scott Atlas, who she said downplayed the threat of the virus. The emails provide fresh insight into how Dr. Birx and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, grappled with what Dr. Birx called the misinformation spread by Dr. Atlas.
The push to downplay the threat was so pervasive, Dr. Birx told committee investigators, that she developed techniques to avoid attention from White House officials who might have objected to her public health recommendations. In reports she prepared for local health officials, she said, she would sometimes put ideas at the ends of sentences so colleagues skimming the text would not notice them.
In her testimony on Thursday, she offered similarly withering assessments of the Trump administration’s coronavirus response, suggesting that officials in 2020 had mistakenly viewed the coronavirus as akin to the flu, even after seeing high Covid-19 death rates in Asia and Europe. That perspective, she said, had caused a “false sense of security in America” as well as a “sense among the American people that this was not going to be a serious pandemic.”
Not using “concise, consistent communication,” she added, “resulted in inaction early on, I think, across our agencies.”
And those at fault, she said, were not “just the president.”
“Many of our leaders were using words like, ‘We could contain,’” she continued. “And you cannot contain a virus that cannot be seen. And it wasn’t being seen because we weren’t testing.”
Dr. Birx became a controversial figure during her time in the Trump White House.
A respected AIDS researcher, she was plucked from her position running the government’s program to combat the international H.I.V. epidemic to coordinate the federal Covid response. But her credibility came into question when she failed to correct Mr. Trump’s unscientific musings about the coronavirus and praised him on television as being “attentive to the scientific literature.” She was also criticized for bolstering White House messaging in the early months of the coronavirus outbreak that the pandemic was easing.
Yet as outbreaks continued that year, Mr. Trump and some senior advisers grew increasingly impatient with Dr. Birx and her public health colleagues, who were insistent on aggressive mitigation efforts. Searching for a contrarian presence, the White House hired Dr. Atlas, who functioned as a rival to Dr. Birx.
“They believed the counterfactual points that were never supported by data from Dr. Atlas,” she said in Thursday’s hearing.
In one email obtained by the committee, dated Aug. 11, 2020, Dr. Birx told Dr. Fauci and other colleagues about what she called a “very dangerous” Oval Office meeting with Mr. Trump. In that session, she said, Dr. Atlas had called masks “overrated and not needed,” and had argued against virus testing, saying it could hurt Mr. Trump politically.
Dr. Birx claimed that Dr. Atlas had inspired Mr. Trump to call for narrower recommendations on who should seek testing.
“Case identification is bad for the president’s re-election — testing should only be of the sick,” she recounted Dr. Atlas saying.
“He noted that it was the task force that got us into this ditch by promoting testing and falsely increasing case counts compared to other countries,” she added, referring to a group of senior health officials that gathered regularly at the White House. “The conclusion was Dr. Atlas is brilliant and the president will be following his guidance now.”
In another email sent to senior health officials two days later, Dr. Birx cataloged seven ideas espoused by Dr. Atlas that she referred to as misinformation, including that the virus was comparable to the flu, that football players could not get seriously ill from the virus and that “children are immune.”
“I am at a loss of what we should do,” she wrote, warning that if caseloads kept mounting, there would be “300K dead by Dec.” The United States ended the year with more than 350,000 Covid deaths.
“I know what I am going to do,” Dr. Fauci wrote in reply. “I am going to keep saying what we have been saying all along, which contradicts each of his seven points listed below. If the press ask me whether what I say differs from his, I will merely say that I respectfully disagree with him.”
In her interviews with the committee last year, Dr. Birx described regular attempts by others to undermine the weekly pandemic assessments she first sent to state and local officials in June 2020, which offered “comprehensive data and state-specific recommendations regarding the status of the pandemic,” the committee wrote.
Beginning in the fall of that year, Dr. Birx said, she began receiving “a list of changes for three or four states” each week, which sometimes involved bids to loosen mask recommendations or indoor capacity restrictions. In one instance, she was asked to soften guidance for South Dakota officials and remove some recommendations for the state, which had a surge in cases.
When she asked the White House to publish the reports so Americans would know more about outbreaks in their communities, the request was denied, she told investigators. In December 2020, she told them, the White House stopped sending the reports to states unless they were requested.
Dr. Birx told committee investigators that she was asked to change the reports about “25 percent” of the time or else they would not be sent.
The former White House coronavirus coordinator, who became a controversial figure, said there was a consistent effort to stifle information as virus cases surged in late 2020.
Dr. Deborah L. Birx, President Donald J. Trump’s coronavirus response coordinator, told a congressional panel on Thursday that the Trump administration’s attitude toward the coronavirus had caused a “false sense of security in America.”Credit...Jason Andrew for The New York Times
By Noah Weiland
- June 23, 2022
Dr. Birx, who publicly testified to the panel Thursday morning, also told the committee that Trump White House officials withheld the reports from states during a winter outbreak and refused to publicly release the documents, which featured data on the virus’s spread and recommendations for how to contain it.
Her account of White House interference came in a multiday interview the committee conducted in October 2021, which was released on Thursday with a set of emails Dr. Birx sent to colleagues in 2020 warning of the influence of a new White House pandemic adviser, Dr. Scott Atlas, who she said downplayed the threat of the virus. The emails provide fresh insight into how Dr. Birx and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, grappled with what Dr. Birx called the misinformation spread by Dr. Atlas.
The push to downplay the threat was so pervasive, Dr. Birx told committee investigators, that she developed techniques to avoid attention from White House officials who might have objected to her public health recommendations. In reports she prepared for local health officials, she said, she would sometimes put ideas at the ends of sentences so colleagues skimming the text would not notice them.
In her testimony on Thursday, she offered similarly withering assessments of the Trump administration’s coronavirus response, suggesting that officials in 2020 had mistakenly viewed the coronavirus as akin to the flu, even after seeing high Covid-19 death rates in Asia and Europe. That perspective, she said, had caused a “false sense of security in America” as well as a “sense among the American people that this was not going to be a serious pandemic.”
Not using “concise, consistent communication,” she added, “resulted in inaction early on, I think, across our agencies.”
And those at fault, she said, were not “just the president.”
“Many of our leaders were using words like, ‘We could contain,’” she continued. “And you cannot contain a virus that cannot be seen. And it wasn’t being seen because we weren’t testing.”
Dr. Birx became a controversial figure during her time in the Trump White House.
A respected AIDS researcher, she was plucked from her position running the government’s program to combat the international H.I.V. epidemic to coordinate the federal Covid response. But her credibility came into question when she failed to correct Mr. Trump’s unscientific musings about the coronavirus and praised him on television as being “attentive to the scientific literature.” She was also criticized for bolstering White House messaging in the early months of the coronavirus outbreak that the pandemic was easing.
Yet as outbreaks continued that year, Mr. Trump and some senior advisers grew increasingly impatient with Dr. Birx and her public health colleagues, who were insistent on aggressive mitigation efforts. Searching for a contrarian presence, the White House hired Dr. Atlas, who functioned as a rival to Dr. Birx.
“They believed the counterfactual points that were never supported by data from Dr. Atlas,” she said in Thursday’s hearing.
In one email obtained by the committee, dated Aug. 11, 2020, Dr. Birx told Dr. Fauci and other colleagues about what she called a “very dangerous” Oval Office meeting with Mr. Trump. In that session, she said, Dr. Atlas had called masks “overrated and not needed,” and had argued against virus testing, saying it could hurt Mr. Trump politically.
Dr. Birx claimed that Dr. Atlas had inspired Mr. Trump to call for narrower recommendations on who should seek testing.
“Case identification is bad for the president’s re-election — testing should only be of the sick,” she recounted Dr. Atlas saying.
“He noted that it was the task force that got us into this ditch by promoting testing and falsely increasing case counts compared to other countries,” she added, referring to a group of senior health officials that gathered regularly at the White House. “The conclusion was Dr. Atlas is brilliant and the president will be following his guidance now.”
In another email sent to senior health officials two days later, Dr. Birx cataloged seven ideas espoused by Dr. Atlas that she referred to as misinformation, including that the virus was comparable to the flu, that football players could not get seriously ill from the virus and that “children are immune.”
“I am at a loss of what we should do,” she wrote, warning that if caseloads kept mounting, there would be “300K dead by Dec.” The United States ended the year with more than 350,000 Covid deaths.
“I know what I am going to do,” Dr. Fauci wrote in reply. “I am going to keep saying what we have been saying all along, which contradicts each of his seven points listed below. If the press ask me whether what I say differs from his, I will merely say that I respectfully disagree with him.”
In her interviews with the committee last year, Dr. Birx described regular attempts by others to undermine the weekly pandemic assessments she first sent to state and local officials in June 2020, which offered “comprehensive data and state-specific recommendations regarding the status of the pandemic,” the committee wrote.
Beginning in the fall of that year, Dr. Birx said, she began receiving “a list of changes for three or four states” each week, which sometimes involved bids to loosen mask recommendations or indoor capacity restrictions. In one instance, she was asked to soften guidance for South Dakota officials and remove some recommendations for the state, which had a surge in cases.
When she asked the White House to publish the reports so Americans would know more about outbreaks in their communities, the request was denied, she told investigators. In December 2020, she told them, the White House stopped sending the reports to states unless they were requested.
Dr. Birx told committee investigators that she was asked to change the reports about “25 percent” of the time or else they would not be sent.
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You're not imagining 'COVID brain' — here's the latest evidence
In an unassuming building behind Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital, some extraordinary research is happening, offering fresh hope for those suffering ongoing symptoms from COVID-19.
www.abc.net.au
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Yeah not a great choice of words but I wouldn't underestimate how much bad decision making by governments had on the pandemic toll, it seems in many countries and local governments, especially in the first year or so when everyone was under the pump scrambling for ways to cope with the outbreaks.
The humoral response and antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 infection - Nature Immunology
Qi et al. provide an in-depth analysis of antibody responses generated in response to SARS-CoV-2.
www.nature.com
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Then you have nothing to fear as it's over in your world. I know it's still affecting me and I wouldn't mind an option for protection against the next variant other than avoiding nay sayers. But the ray of hope is it's over for you. Goodbye.
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