Squares said:With Spatacus, he could become chemically enhanced like lance by getting cancer and going through chemotherapy to drop 20 kg,
Lost 20kg eh? The things you learn on here, to be sure.
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Squares said:With Spatacus, he could become chemically enhanced like lance by getting cancer and going through chemotherapy to drop 20 kg,
Tim_sleepless said:Lost 20kg eh? The things you learn on here, to be sure.
Squares said:His racing weight dropped by 7-8 kg from before chemo to after, and that was his performance levels. Given mucsle atrophy during chemo, 20 kg is mild.
Wo, you have any facts to back up your comment that you can add, or do you prefer to just make smart *** comments?
I'd prefer if you could come up with some data to counter my statement, but I suspect you cannot.
Squares said:His racing weight dropped by 7-8 kg from before chemo to after, and that was his performance levels. Given mucsle atrophy during chemo, 20 kg is mild.
Wo, you have any facts to back up your comment that you can add, or do you prefer to just make smart *** comments?
I'd prefer if you could come up with some data to counter my statement, but I suspect you cannot.
Interview with Lance in February 1997.I had the brain operation there the Thursday prior to my next chemo cycle and then started that the following Monday with 3 more cycles of VIP. The last VIP (chemos) were inpatient...cycles 3 and 4 I was sick as a dog, but I didn't lose any weight...
Squares said:His racing weight dropped by 7-8 kg from before chemo to after, and that was his performance levels. Given mucsle atrophy during chemo, 20 kg is mild.
Wo, you have any facts to back up your comment that you can add, or do you prefer to just make smart *** comments?
I'd prefer if you could come up with some data to counter my statement, but I suspect you cannot.
131313 said:Eddie B said from the beginning he had TDF potential, and he's forgotten more about bike racing than either of those two guys will ever know. I'm included to go with his opinion, despite his past transgressions.
Belokki said:In the early years, Lance had a more muscular upper body, thanks to his triathlon years, less muscular legs... he got back his weight, but in different muscles, after cancer, his upper body was leaner, but he had stronger legs...
Tim_sleepless said:"It has been suggested that Armstrong lost weight from the cancer, making him a leaner (and better) cyclist. But Armstrong's weight eight months after his chemotherapy was the same as before his cancer treatment, according to Coyle."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0722_050722_armstrong_2.html
LKing25 said:As Floyd Landis said "Look. At some point, people have to tell their kids that Santa Claus isn't real. I hate to be the guy to do it, but it's just not real."
Dr. Maserati said:No doubt there were some on EPO by then (Rominger won both stages!)- but on the first 2 mountain stages Lance finished 86th @21:26, 97th 28:47.
On the same stages Andy Hampsten finished 4th @1:13 & 9th @3:06.
Squares said:With Spatacus, he could become chemically enhanced like lance by getting cancer and going through chemotherapy to drop 20 kg, then building himself back as a climber. I'm pretty sure that cytotoxic chemotherapy agents are not listed as banned performance enhancing drugs.
And to those who said Lance was not a good 1 day racer, diud you forget about his San Sebastian win, World Championship, and numerous seconds in Amstel Gold?
Boogerd beat him in Amstel, how many tour titles does he have?
How many world championships does Vino have? How many San Sebastian titles? Yes, Vino did win LBL, but even transfused to the gills, he has yet to win the Tour de France let alone 7.
In the end, Lance was a good 1 day rider, whose body was transformed by chemotherapy so he had the opportunity to rebuild for the classics or keep the upper body thin and build the legs only for climbing.
The fact that he doped didn't change the type of races he was winning, that was the chemo.
Polish said:Eddy is Santa Claus, not Lance. Floyd is going to recieve some coal
But the rest of us can look forward to presents in July!
Lance was a first year neo-pro that race.
Those results are awesome for a neo-pro.
Coming after a stage win that year.
There has not been a neo-pro success like Lance's since....Lance.
Hugh Januss said:OK fine polish, you win. Lance Armstrong was the best Tour de France rider of the "EPO TDF centric era" and he will remain such until when/if he is stripped of some or all of those titles.
Happy now? Now go polish something else.
Oldman said:Actually look at Alpes' Avatar. Bernard had arguably the best neo-pro career and many thought it was unusual.
Squares said:And to those who said Lance was not a good 1 day racer, diud you forget about his San Sebastian win, World Championship, and numerous seconds in Amstel Gold?
Boogerd beat him in Amstel, how many tour titles does he have?
How many world championships does Vino have? How many San Sebastian titles? Yes, Vino did win LBL, but even transfused to the gills, he has yet to win the Tour de France let alone 7.
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pmcg76 said:Whoever used the Du Pont argument in his defence is really clutching at straws, Du Pont was a pro-am race where only a handful of top Euro teams(those with American interests) made the trip. Motorola and Lance set it as their main target of the season, if they won, it was a good year. I never seen too many Tour contenders or even potential contenders competing at Du Pont. I would say the race was at or below the level of the Tour of Georgia as there were more good American stage racers shooting for Georgia. A better argument would be that he won Settimama Bergamasque as a 19 yo amateur or a stage race in Spain. I think most people seen Bobby J as a more likely Tour contender.
Polish said:Could a doped EPO Era "1 day classics rider" win the TdF 7 Times in a Row?
I would argue correctly - No Way.
Others would argue "of course, its already been done - Lance"
To those "others" I ask the question....name another besides Lance....
Johan Museeuw? No way Museeuw. Could barely finish doped to the gills.
Michele Bartoli? Maybe win 1 in a row. But 7? Doubt it. Too small a bike.
Frank Vandenbroucke? Potential for maybe 3 in a row. But a bit fragile mentally bless his soul.
Laurent Jalabert? Hmmmm...he WAS awesome. Kinda like Lance. But he was doped right? And still did not win one. Win 7 in a row? Nope sorry.
Spartacus? He is awesome too! But could dope turn him into a strong enough climber to win one two three four five six seven in a row? You think?
So, was Lance One of a Kind?
I already Know the Answer to that one lol!
If Lance was a first year neo Pro in 1993, why did he finish last in San Sebastian as a Pro in 1992? Neo Pro - is based on calendar year.Polish said:Eddy is Santa Claus, not Lance. Floyd is going to recieve some coal
But the rest of us can look forward to presents in July!
Lance was a first year neo-pro that race.
Those results are awesome for a neo-pro.
Coming after a stage win that year.
There has not been a neo-pro success like Lance's since....Lance.
Dr. Maserati said:If Lance was a first year neo Pro in 1993, why did he finish last in San Sebastian as a Pro in 1992? Neo Pro - is based on calendar year.
Andy Schleck, like Lance, not a neo-pro but 2nd in the Giro -his 1st GT, in 2007 at 21.
Belokki said:Andy has 3 second places in the GTs, you're comparing him to the wrong guy...
Do stagiaires count as pros? I don't know if Lance was a stagiaire in 1992 or if he had a proper contract and just chose to stay as an amateur so he could be in the Olympics, I'm just asking because it's something that has always bugged me.Dr. Maserati said:If Lance was a first year neo Pro in 1993, why did he finish last in San Sebastian as a Pro in 1992? Neo Pro - is based on calendar year.